Vladimir Putin and the "Special Military Operation"

[Contrarian]

Thank you for your anticipated participation. Should anyone wish to suggest a different option please let me know via PM so that I can modify the poll.

[AvHdB]

Indeed an interesting set of questions and poll. Certainly enough scenarios.



Perhaps you could add two options, Yellowstone will explode and the US Dollar will be used as wall or toilet paper. Both happening in the next 5 years.

 

I suspect the results will depend on hopes and perspectives of those who reply and vote.

[Contrarian]

Indeed an interesting set of questions and poll. Certainly enough scenarios.



Perhaps you could add two options, Yellowstone will explode and the US Dollar will be used as wall or toilet paper. Both happening in the next 5 years.

 

I suspect the results will depend on hopes and perspectives of those who reply and vote.

You are welcome to vote on one other option. Give me a minute to modify it first though. ))

[Lon]

is there going to be a button "for all of the above"  I like this game

[Contrarian]

Folks, please remember, you may vote on two options. I have tried to give a good variety and make this interesting. I appreciate the good sense of humor and actually potentially legitimate suggestions made by AvHdB. The dollar may indeed be worth about as much as toilet paper, if Joe Biden remains in office too much longer. 

[Contrarian]

is there going to be a button "for all of the above"  I like this game

I can see why you would say that, however am hoping to get a couple of clear winners. 

[Markje]

Sauerkraut... definately, russians love that stuff.

[Steveboy]

If the Super Volcano goes off I presume your all going to be heading to Mexico or across the Atlantic in rubber boats..

It WILL happen just a matter of when! The planet will be incinerated in 5 billion years anyway when the sun goes Supernova!

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-colossal-volcanic-eruptions-in-earth-history/analise.dubner?ref=collections_btm&l=336940&collectionId=51. Get ready for hell cos it is on the way..

[Manny]

You left one out, the most likely outcome:

Successful Ukraine operation, Donbass liberated, Ukraine declares neutrality and eschews NATO, Russia increases use of Rouble, Dollar collapses, successful east-west decoupling, sanctions on Russia ineffective, Putin's popularity rating rises from the current 71% to 85%.

Then there's the maybes:

The western tip of Ukraine (Rivne, Ternopil, etc) becomes Poland as the US was desperate to invade something, Azov members stand trial in Russia, Zelensky moves to his waiting mansion in FL and becomes CNN anchor, Viktor Medvedchuk is voted president of Ukraine, Russian is reinstated as a language in Ukrainian schools and Putin gets Nobel Peace Prize (as Obama did after a "special military operation"), Joe has ice cream and wins another term. Actually, scrub that last bit, Joe has ice cream and trump wins in 24.   

[Contrarian]

You left one out, the most likely outcome:

Successful Ukraine operation, Donbass liberated, Ukraine declares neutrality and eschews NATO, Russia increases use of Rouble, Dollar collapses, successful east-west decoupling, sanctions on Russia ineffective, Putin's popularity rating rises from the current 71% to 85%.

Then there's the maybes:

The western tip of Ukraine (Rivne, Ternopil, etc) becomes Poland as the US was desperate to invade something, Azov members stand trial in Russia, Zelensky moves to his waiting mansion in FL and becomes CNN anchor, Viktor Medvedchuk is voted president of Ukraine, Russian is reinstated as a language in Ukrainian schools and Putin gets Nobel Peace Prize (as Obama did after a "special military operation"), Joe has ice cream and wins another term. Actually, scrub that last bit, Joe has ice cream and trump wins in 24.

Dream on Lord Haw-Haw.

[dorbradavid]

Perhaps of interest

You left one out, the most likely outcome:

Successful Ukraine operation, Donbass liberated, Ukraine declares neutrality and eschews NATO, Russia increases use of Rouble, Dollar collapses, successful east-west decoupling, sanctions on Russia ineffective, Putin's popularity rating rises from the current 71% to 85%.

[Contrarian]

^Not in the least of interest.

[AvHdB]

Across a number of media sources there is talk of peace/truce between Russia and Ukraine. These discussions seem to taking place in Turkey. I hope this is possible.

On the other hand W. Zelensky was seen four days ago at Graceland.

[Markje]

Interesting read from dutchgov opposition party fvd

https://forumfordemocracy.com/article/russia-sanctions-1

[AvHdB]

Interesting read from dutchgov opposition party fvd

https://forumfordemocracy.com/article/russia-sanctions-1

Indeed an interesting read, well worth pondering.

[Contrarian]

Bump

So far 11 members have voted. It would be nice to get more members to vote and express their opinions.

I have added two additional options.

[Contrarian]

Former member of the Russian Parliament who is now fighting for Ukraine.

[yankee]

Interesting read from dutchgov opposition party fvd

https://forumfordemocracy.com/article/russia-sanctions-1

I agree, it is an interesting read.

[chelseaboy]

Interesting read from dutchgov opposition party fvd

https://forumfordemocracy.com/article/russia-sanctions-1

I only needed to start to read it to see it's a load of BS.

"China is arming Russia "

This revelation comes from a USA official who surprise,surprise is anonymous 

The reality is that China cancelled a $500 Million investment in Russian Gas less than two weeks ago because they were afraid of sanctions...whoops there goes the credibility on that "interesting" article.

I have a Bridge to sell if anyone's interested.

[Markje]

I only needed to start to read it to see it's a load of BS.

"China is arming Russia "

This revelation comes from a USA official who surprise,surprise is anonymous 

Dutchgov has sources that they can not reveal because of national or strategic security. They know a whole lot more than the average public, so if opposition to dutch-gov thinks this is worth while you can call it 'bullshit' at your own risk.

They did however list a credible source (if you think MSM is credible) : https://www.reuters.com/world/us-told-nato-asia-allies-that-china-willing-supply-arms-russia-us-official-2022-03-14/

[andrewfi]

Chelseaguy, without commenting on the veracity of the story about arms sales, surely even you can understand that there is a difference between a business making a choice based upon its assessment of business risk and a government making a strategic choice for national security reasons?

[andrew99]

I wouldnt place to much weight on Dutch Gov reports just yet. Its kind of an outlier at this stage that needs more evidence.

[chelseaboy]

Chelseaguy, without commenting on the veracity of the story about arms sales, surely even you can understand that there is a difference between a business making a choice based upon its assessment of business risk and a government making a strategic choice for national security reasons?

Well the USA has warned China there will be "consequences" if China gives military aid to Russia.

One would assume those consequences would be sanctions because that's the USA's MO.

Do you believe China will therefore take the hit on sanctions to arm Russia when they wouldn't take that risk to invest in Russian Gas ?

Of course you're another one who said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine i've been informed on here..so everything you say has to be taken with "i don't really know what i'm talking about " warning ..but i'm happy to see your opinion regardless .

If it helps i'm also a lover of Marmite,and Ed Bicknell the music manager has told me he is too..so that's three of us

[Danchik]

Chelseaguy, without commenting on the veracity of the story about arms sales, surely even you can understand that there is a difference between a business making a choice based upon its assessment of business risk and a government making a strategic choice for national security reasons?

Well the USA has warned China there will be "consequences" if China gives military aid to Russia.

One would assume those consequences would be sanctions because that's the USA's MO.

Do you believe China will therefore take the hit on sanctions to arm Russia when they wouldn't take that risk to invest in Russian Gas ?

Of course you're another one who said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine i've been informed on here..so everything you say has to be taken with "i don't really know what i'm talking about " warning ..but i'm happy to see your opinion regardless .

If it helps i'm also a lover of Marmite,and Ed Bicknell the music manager has told me he is too..so that's three of us

Russia has been supplying oil and gas to China since 2013. They also just extended the contracts another 10 years in February.

You also haven't a clue (about many things Russian for sure) about how sanctions can be avoided, or worked around, all the while presented as "tough" to dupes like you.

Before you call out others for not knowing what they're talking about, maybe you should take a long look in the mirror, as heinous as that is.

[chelseaboy]

Chelseaguy, without commenting on the veracity of the story about arms sales, surely even you can understand that there is a difference between a business making a choice based upon its assessment of business risk and a government making a strategic choice for national security reasons?

Well the USA has warned China there will be "consequences" if China gives military aid to Russia.

One would assume those consequences would be sanctions because that's the USA's MO.

Do you believe China will therefore take the hit on sanctions to arm Russia when they wouldn't take that risk to invest in Russian Gas ?

Of course you're another one who said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine i've been informed on here..so everything you say has to be taken with "i don't really know what i'm talking about " warning ..but i'm happy to see your opinion regardless .

If it helps i'm also a lover of Marmite,and Ed Bicknell the music manager has told me he is too..so that's three of us

Russia has been supplying oil and gas to China since 2013. They also just extended the contracts another 10 years in February.

You also haven't a clue (about many things Russian for sure) about how sanctions can be avoided, or worked around, all the while presented as "tough" to dupes like you.

Before you call out others for not knowing what they're talking about, maybe you should take a long look in the mirror, as heinous as that is.

Oh dear another clueless poster.

The cancelled investment was for a new gas chemical plant in Russia by Chinese state-owned Sinopec.

Who's the dupe now ?

I guess the Russian state -owned media kept that quiet from you 

Maybe you need to take a long look in the mirror..as heinous as that is.