Alleged Russian War Crimes

[Markje]

Compete on tech stuff?  No competition, IMO.

Seems like Godaddy is still doing some shady business.

If you query an open-support whois database, you get "privacy redacted" blablabla , except if you query godaddy itself you get the same results as with the 'usual' privacy-protection with godaddy (domainsbyproxy) .

Either way: GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE?

oh and on your infowars example:

Admin Name: Privacy Administrator
Admin Organization: Anonymize, Inc.
Admin Street: 30 N. Gould Street, Ste N
Admin City: Spokane
Admin State/Province: WA
Admin Postal Code: 82801
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.7375303745
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: infowars.com-qdta5r2fvnlh@anonymize.com


https://www.google.nl/maps/search/30+N.+Gould+Street,+Ste+,+spokane,++Washington/@47.6727548,-117.5525768,11z/data=!3m1!4b1

At least its a real address with a real internet email to respond to , from the domain-by-proxy anonymize.com

[BC]

Compete on tech stuff?  No competition, IMO.

Seems like Godaddy is still doing some shady business.

If you query an open-support whois database, you get "privacy redacted" blablabla , except if you query godaddy itself you get the same results as with the 'usual' privacy-protection with godaddy (domainsbyproxy) .

Either way: GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE?

No, it's a common practice.  I'd estimate 99% of domain registrants nowadays use a privacy proxy.  It's no different from having a PO box.  It is you that is trying to make up nonsense.  Try this one:

https://uk.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domain=tuckercarlson.com

Tucker have anything to hide?

How 'bout Trump's TruthSocial.com hiding behind Contact Privacy Inc, another proxy provider...
https://tucowsdomains.com/whois-result/

Or Trump.com?
https://uk.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainName=trump.com

And the 'MyPillow.com' guy that spouts all kinds of conspiracy theories? 
https://uk.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domain=mypillow.com

So what are these folks hiding?  You say they must be hiding something, and I'm saying it's normal for just about any domain name registration nowadays.

So you see Markje, you're trying to fluff a limp argument, and failing miserably.

[Markje]

So you see Markje, you're trying to fluff a limp argument, and failing miserably.

Perhaps all of them do have something to hide.

whois facebook.com

Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Meta Platforms, Inc.
Tech Street: 1601 Willow Rd
Tech City: Menlo Park
Tech State/Province: CA
Tech Postal Code: 94025
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.6505434800
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: domain@fb.com
Name Server: C.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: B.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: A.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: D.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Meta Platforms, Inc.
Tech Street: 1601 Willow Rd
Tech City: Menlo Park
Tech State/Province: CA
Tech Postal Code: 94025
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.6505434800
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: domain@fb.com
Name Server: C.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: B.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: A.NS.FACEBOOK.COM
Name Server: D.NS.FACEBOOK.COM

All out in the open
whois telegraaf.nl
Domain name: telegraaf.nl
Status:      active

Registrar:
   TMG Landelijke Media B.V.
   Basisweg 30
   1043AP Amsterdam
   Netherlands

Abuse Contact:

Creation Date: 1995-12-18

Updated Date: 2019-12-05

whois google.com
Domain Name: google.com                                                       
Registry Domain ID: 2138514_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN                                             
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.markmonitor.com                                 
Registrar URL: http://www.markmonitor.com                                 
Updated Date: 2019-09-09T15:39:04+0000
Creation Date: 1997-09-15T07:00:00+0000
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2028-09-13T07:00:00+0000           
Registrar: MarkMonitor, Inc.                                                   
Registrar IANA ID: 292                                                         
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abusecomplaints@markmonitor.com       
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.2086851750                                   
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited)
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited)
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited)
Domain Status: serverUpdateProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#serverUpdateProhibited)
Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited)
Domain Status: serverDeleteProhibited (https://www.icann.org/epp#serverDeleteProhibited)
Registrant Organization: Google LLC                         
Registrant State/Province: CA   
Registrant Country: US                               
Registrant Email: Select Request Email Form at https://domains.markmonitor.com/whois/google.com
Admin Organization: Google LLC                 
Admin State/Province: CA                                                       
Admin Country: US                                                           
Admin Email: Select Request Email Form at https://domains.markmonitor.com/whois/google.com

[BC]

https://uk.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domain=ruadventures.com

[Markje]

whois twitter.com
Tech Name: Tech Admin
Tech Organization: Twitter, Inc.
Tech Street: 1355 Market Street
Tech City: San Francisco
Tech State/Province: CA
Tech Postal Code: 94103
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.4152229670
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.4152220922
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: domains-tech@twitter.com

Seems to me that the "big" tech all have normal non-hidden domain names.

Google, facebook, twitter... you can see all of them out in the open.

So no, definately not standard to hide. And it costs extra with many registrars (including godaddy).

And even with the "extra" , you still get a "fake" registrar to point your abuse-claims to. But only ever, did i see in your website the "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY" in full except when you ask godaddy itself.

Peculiar and definately not digging a hole here.

Mark.

[Contrarian]

Stealing children from Ukraine and forcing them to become indoctrinated into the Russian system seems like a crime to most.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628479545211846659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628479545211846659%7Ctwgr%5E1eb2aaeaf231fc0a4c82bb6d523aff85f4f1b50d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Fputins-shameful-propaganda-teenage-girl-deported-to-russia-from-mariupol-forced-to-hug-red-army-commander-responsible-for-destruction-of-her-home%2F

Shocking if that's the case but do we know for a fact, that this girl is a trafficked propaganda tool? Or are we just guessing and pointing fingers again?

She's clearly being used as a propaganda tool by the Russians, who claim that her city was "liberated". More like destroyed by the Russians, to the point it looks similar to Dresden after the phosphorous bombings.

You apparently think it's okay for a large army to invade a neighboring country, kill a girls parents, destroy her city, and then take her to a propaganda rally like a trophy, and encourage her on stage to hug the man who "liberated" her city?

Did she really have any choice in all of this? 

[BC]

Seems to me that the "big" tech all have normal non-hidden domain names.

Google, facebook, twitter... you can see all of them out in the open.

So no, definately not standard to hide. And it costs extra with many registrars (including godaddy).

And even with the "extra" , you still get a "fake" registrar to point your abuse-claims to. But only ever, did i see in your website the "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY" in full except when you ask godaddy itself.

Peculiar and definately not digging a hole here.

Mark.

That's their prerogative, Markje.

whois.pir.org only shows results for .org domains and maybe some others, not .com

Has nothing at all to do with GoDaddy applying some trick here or there.  It is just how pir.org shows data from other registrars when a proxy is used.  I could script a whois query and mark them all SCAM instead of Redacted For Privacy..

Surely, you can draw lines between the dots to get a better picture.  Your argument remains limp and shriveled.

Query below, using whois.pir.org

Domain Name: un.org
Registry Domain ID: 4226b03cb1f7478cab9c8f6df801d450-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Updated Date: 2018-01-15T01:14:37Z
Creation Date: 1995-01-31T05:00:00Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2024-02-01T05:00:00Z
Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: domain.operations@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8777228662
Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok
Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Organization: United Nations
Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant State/Province: NY
Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Phone Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Fax Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Email: Please query the RDDS service of the Registrar of Record identified in this output for information on how to contact the Registrant, Admin, or Tech contact of the queried domain name.

[Markje]

That's their prerogative, Markje.

Yes it is, but it shows the data they get 'upstream' , I would use  whois -i to show the whole chain, but I fear thats getting technical for most folks, we can use personal messages if you're really interested.

whois.pir.org only shows results for .org domains and maybe some others, not .com

Uh no, whois.pir.org is a public query service, if it says it doesn't support the domain , you would get a completely different answer (try whois life.rocks on pir.org to see what I mean)

whois -h whois.pir.org life.rocks
[Querying whois.pir.org]
[whois.pir.org]
TLD is not supported.
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2023-02-24T21:20:09Z <<<

Thats very different from the earlier responses with fully redacted files.

Also note: PIR.ORG is the official .org registrar and primary source for all .org domains.
see: https://www.iana.org/whois?q=saveukraina.org

(and before you want to return that it isn't the same: pir.org is the same domain as publicinterestregistry.org)

\[lf@host $\] host whois.pir.org
whois.pir.org is an alias for whois.publicinterestregistry.org.

Has nothing at all to do with GoDaddy applying some trick here or there.  It is just how pir.org shows data from other registrars when a proxy is used.  I could script a whois query and mark them all SCAM instead of Redacted For Privacy..

You could script anything you want.... but that doesn't make this any less shady.

Surely, you can draw lines between the dots to get a better picture.  Your argument remains limp and shriveled.

Your opinion. I am now calling this quits, I think the readers can decide for themselves now what/who will be correct here.

[rosco]

She's clearly being used as a propaganda tool by the Russians, who claim that her city was "liberated".

So clear that I asked the question. Yes it looks the part but do we know for sure, do you know the ethnic mix in that particular city and whats being going on? Clearly not.

There's not much out there if you google the name. Maybe it's like the girl from the Russian "re-education camp" who didn't give an interview for some reason? Odd given CNN assured us she was trafficked and tortured.

You apparently think it's okay for a large army to invade a neighboring country, kill a girls parents, destroy her city, and then take her to a propaganda rally like a trophy, and encourage her on stage to hug the man who "liberated" her city?

I can't prove many things but I've quoted your lies for all to see and remember. I never said anything to suggest this but you're clearly so deranged and bias that you think this is acceptable.

Shame on you.

[Contrarian]

Former POW verifies Russian tortured him and others who were captured.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/american-pow-freed-from-russia-said-his-captors-were-idiots-who-had-prisoners-call-an-alabama-licensing-office-for-help-report-says/ar-AA17SX05?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=3ba814b2b4ff4b95a31e370c6f04f411

[Contrarian]

440 bodies found in a mass grave in Izium, many with signs of being tortured, after the city was liberated by Ukraine.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/22/liberated-town-after-town-evidence-emerges-of-russian-war-crimes-ukraine.html

[BC]

You could script anything you want.... but that doesn't make this any less shady.

Your opinion. I am now calling this quits, I think the readers can decide for themselves now what/who will be correct here.

Markje,

Before making such assertions, you should investigate.  what you fail to note is:

1. whois.pir.org will return a TLD is not supported message for any .com address.  I've tried several and never got a result.

2. The query I did with un.org returned the same type of 'REDACTED FOR PRIVACY' results as with saveukraineua.org, which you call 'suspicious', or 'shady', despite being a domain whose registrar is networksolutions and not GoDaddy.  Try iam.org, and you'll see the same redacted, and the registrar is domainmonster.com. or unicef.org, whose registrar is listed as CSC Global.

Again, domain masking by registrars is common, also a result of EU GDPR regulations, where registrars mask even if no fee is paid.  More info here https://interisle.net/sub/DomainRegistrationData.pdf  This might also explain why US-based organizations you found were not masked.  I suspect many domain registrars might just mask all registrations at no cost to make their business process standardized, as differentiation and verification of who is where is costly.

Overall, your logic doesn't hold water.  If you are unhappy with the 'suspicious' results you get with whois.pir.org, you should take it up with them.  I find your claim fully lacks substantiation.

[Markje]

You could script anything you want.... but that doesn't make this any less shady.

Your opinion. I am now calling this quits, I think the readers can decide for themselves now what/who will be correct here.

Markje,

Before making such assertions, you should investigate.  what you fail to note is:

1. whois.pir.org will return a TLD is not supported message for any .com address.  I've tried several and never got a result.

2. The query I did with un.org returned the same type of 'REDACTED FOR PRIVACY' results as with saveukraineua.org, which you call 'suspicious', or 'shady', despite being a domain whose registrar is networksolutions and not GoDaddy.  Try iam.org, and you'll see the same redacted, and the registrar is domainmonster.com. or unicef.org, whose registrar is listed as CSC Global.

Again, domain masking by registrars is common, also a result of EU GDPR regulations, where registrars mask even if no fee is paid.  More info here https://interisle.net/sub/DomainRegistrationData.pdf  This might also explain why US-based organizations you found were not masked.  I suspect many domain registrars might just mask all registrations at no cost to make their business process standardized, as differentiation and verification of who is where is costly.

Overall, your logic doesn't hold water.  If you are unhappy with the 'suspicious' results you get with whois.pir.org, you should take it up with them.  I find your claim fully lacks substantiation.

pir.org is the primary registry of all .org domains...... let me repeat that for you.

I also can't help it if you cant use tooling correctly. I suspect your using the pir website instead.

[BC]

pir.org is the primary registry of all .org domains...... let me repeat that for you.

I also can't help it if you cant use tooling correctly. I suspect your using the pir website instead.

Again, Markje, there is absolutely nothing nefarious, suspicious, or shady with results showing "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY".

The following article might help you better understand that "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY" and similar terms is nothing unusual and common practice among registrars.

https://news.gandi.net/en/2018/05/gdpr-and-whois/

The only thing you are succeeding at is being obtuse.

More info here:  https://blog.dnsimple.com/2019/04/gdpr-and-whois-privacy/



More on RDAP policy, section 2.7 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rdap-response-profile-15feb19-en.pdf

[AvHdB]

Stealing children from Ukraine and forcing them to become indoctrinated into the Russian system seems like a crime to most.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628479545211846659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628479545211846659%7Ctwgr%5E1eb2aaeaf231fc0a4c82bb6d523aff85f4f1b50d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Fputins-shameful-propaganda-teenage-girl-deported-to-russia-from-mariupol-forced-to-hug-red-army-commander-responsible-for-destruction-of-her-home%2F

Except nobody was forced or stolen by the RU government.

Now human traffickers thats another story, they are always around when Gov't is busy dealing with you know war, death and destruction on their properties.

Well that is one Russian lie that we can confirm. One can follow the links from ISW.

Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova confirmed on July 31 that Russia has transferred 4.8 million Ukrainians, including over 700,000 children, to the Russian Federation since the beginning of the war.[20] In a report on the activities “authorized by the President of the Russian Federation for children’s rights” in 2022, Lvova-Belova claimed that Russia has “received” 4.8 million Ukrainians since February 2022 and noted that the vast majority of the 700,000 children who arrived to Russia did not have parental or guardian supervision.[21] The report carefully frames these activities as humanitarian gestures of goodwill. International humanitarian law, however, defines the forced transfer of civilians to the territory of an occupying power as “deportation.” And the circumstances of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the situation in occupied territories are likely sufficiently coercive to mean that most “transfers” of Ukrainian civilians to Russia meet the threshold of forced deportation, which is prohibited under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, regardless of Russia’s claimed motive.[22] ISW continues to assess that Russian authorities are conducting a large-scale campaign to deport Ukrainians to the Russian Federation.[23]

[rosco]

Stealing children from Ukraine and forcing them to become indoctrinated into the Russian system seems like a crime to most.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628479545211846659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628479545211846659%7Ctwgr%5E1eb2aaeaf231fc0a4c82bb6d523aff85f4f1b50d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Fputins-shameful-propaganda-teenage-girl-deported-to-russia-from-mariupol-forced-to-hug-red-army-commander-responsible-for-destruction-of-her-home%2F

Except nobody was forced or stolen by the RU government.

Now human traffickers thats another story, they are always around when Gov't is busy dealing with you know war, death and destruction on their properties.

Well that is one Russian lie that we can confirm. One can follow the links from ISW.

Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova confirmed on July 31 that Russia has transferred 4.8 million Ukrainians, including over 700,000 children, to the Russian Federation since the beginning of the war.[20] In a report on the activities “authorized by the President of the Russian Federation for children’s rights” in 2022, Lvova-Belova claimed that Russia has “received” 4.8 million Ukrainians since February 2022 and noted that the vast majority of the 700,000 children who arrived to Russia did not have parental or guardian supervision.[21] The report carefully frames these activities as humanitarian gestures of goodwill. International humanitarian law, however, defines the forced transfer of civilians to the territory of an occupying power as “deportation.” And the circumstances of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the situation in occupied territories are likely sufficiently coercive to mean that most “transfers” of Ukrainian civilians to Russia meet the threshold of forced deportation, which is prohibited under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, regardless of Russia’s claimed motive.[22] ISW continues to assess that Russian authorities are conducting a large-scale campaign to deport Ukrainians to the Russian Federation.[23]

Two things here;

1) The numbers stack up and plenty Ukrainians chose to go to Russia when the conflict started rather than Europe. I believe around 40% of all refugees went East. This backs the discussion into the not all Ukrainians want Zelensky or the western influence, most notably the Eastern regions and Crimea.

2) I posted at length about the children. Using MSM articles we are able to see that some children have gone with their families, who chose Russia whilst others were either abandoned or orphaned. Russia provided them with safety by removing them from the war zone and they have openly said that the kids are available to collect when ready, if they have family waiting. I linked an article discussing exactly that.

Will there some cases of kids being thrown on buses in the middle of a war zone and being separated, no doubt but let's not pretend that Russia has stolen 700,000 kids for their own wicked ways. That's just disingenuous. Generally speaking this is just another press hype/Western government strategy to build yet another Russia is evil story and a potential legal dispute.....both of which leave the sheep to shout Putin bad.

[AvHdB]

Stealing children from Ukraine and forcing them to become indoctrinated into the Russian system seems like a crime to most.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628479545211846659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628479545211846659%7Ctwgr%5E1eb2aaeaf231fc0a4c82bb6d523aff85f4f1b50d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Fputins-shameful-propaganda-teenage-girl-deported-to-russia-from-mariupol-forced-to-hug-red-army-commander-responsible-for-destruction-of-her-home%2F

Except nobody was forced or stolen by the RU government.

Now human traffickers thats another story, they are always around when Gov't is busy dealing with you know war, death and destruction on their properties.

Well that is one Russian lie that we can confirm. One can follow the links from ISW.

Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova confirmed on July 31 that Russia has transferred 4.8 million Ukrainians, including over 700,000 children, to the Russian Federation since the beginning of the war.[20] In a report on the activities “authorized by the President of the Russian Federation for children’s rights” in 2022, Lvova-Belova claimed that Russia has “received” 4.8 million Ukrainians since February 2022 and noted that the vast majority of the 700,000 children who arrived to Russia did not have parental or guardian supervision.[21] The report carefully frames these activities as humanitarian gestures of goodwill. International humanitarian law, however, defines the forced transfer of civilians to the territory of an occupying power as “deportation.” And the circumstances of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the situation in occupied territories are likely sufficiently coercive to mean that most “transfers” of Ukrainian civilians to Russia meet the threshold of forced deportation, which is prohibited under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, regardless of Russia’s claimed motive.[22] ISW continues to assess that Russian authorities are conducting a large-scale campaign to deport Ukrainians to the Russian Federation.[23]

Two things here;

1) The numbers stack up and plenty Ukrainians chose to go to Russia when the conflict started rather than Europe. I believe around 40% of all refugees went East. This backs the discussion into the not all Ukrainians want Zelensky or the western influence, most notably the Eastern regions and Crimea.

2) I posted at length about the children. Using MSM articles we are able to see that some children have gone with their families, who chose Russia whilst others were either abandoned or orphaned. Russia provided them with safety by removing them from the war zone and they have openly said that the kids are available to collect when ready, if they have family waiting. I linked an article discussing exactly that.

Will there some cases of kids being thrown on buses in the middle of a war zone and being separated, no doubt but let's not pretend that Russia has stolen 700,000 kids for their own wicked ways. That's just disingenuous. Generally speaking this is just another press hype/Western government strategy to build yet another Russia is evil story and a potential legal dispute.....both of which leave the sheep to shout Putin bad.

You can paint the reality how ever you wish. But it remains sad numbers. Yuliia has a brother in Moscow and sister in Kaliningrad, both have not seen any Ukrainians there, I recognize this is not any sort of statistic.There are it seems tens of thousands in The Netherlands who wish the Russians would bugger of so they can return to their homeland.

[rosco]

Stealing children from Ukraine and forcing them to become indoctrinated into the Russian system seems like a crime to most.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1628479545211846659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628479545211846659%7Ctwgr%5E1eb2aaeaf231fc0a4c82bb6d523aff85f4f1b50d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Fputins-shameful-propaganda-teenage-girl-deported-to-russia-from-mariupol-forced-to-hug-red-army-commander-responsible-for-destruction-of-her-home%2F

Except nobody was forced or stolen by the RU government.

Now human traffickers thats another story, they are always around when Gov't is busy dealing with you know war, death and destruction on their properties.

Well that is one Russian lie that we can confirm. One can follow the links from ISW.

Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova confirmed on July 31 that Russia has transferred 4.8 million Ukrainians, including over 700,000 children, to the Russian Federation since the beginning of the war.[20] In a report on the activities “authorized by the President of the Russian Federation for children’s rights” in 2022, Lvova-Belova claimed that Russia has “received” 4.8 million Ukrainians since February 2022 and noted that the vast majority of the 700,000 children who arrived to Russia did not have parental or guardian supervision.[21] The report carefully frames these activities as humanitarian gestures of goodwill. International humanitarian law, however, defines the forced transfer of civilians to the territory of an occupying power as “deportation.” And the circumstances of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the situation in occupied territories are likely sufficiently coercive to mean that most “transfers” of Ukrainian civilians to Russia meet the threshold of forced deportation, which is prohibited under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, regardless of Russia’s claimed motive.[22] ISW continues to assess that Russian authorities are conducting a large-scale campaign to deport Ukrainians to the Russian Federation.[23]

Two things here;

1) The numbers stack up and plenty Ukrainians chose to go to Russia when the conflict started rather than Europe. I believe around 40% of all refugees went East. This backs the discussion into the not all Ukrainians want Zelensky or the western influence, most notably the Eastern regions and Crimea.

2) I posted at length about the children. Using MSM articles we are able to see that some children have gone with their families, who chose Russia whilst others were either abandoned or orphaned. Russia provided them with safety by removing them from the war zone and they have openly said that the kids are available to collect when ready, if they have family waiting. I linked an article discussing exactly that.

Will there some cases of kids being thrown on buses in the middle of a war zone and being separated, no doubt but let's not pretend that Russia has stolen 700,000 kids for their own wicked ways. That's just disingenuous. Generally speaking this is just another press hype/Western government strategy to build yet another Russia is evil story and a potential legal dispute.....both of which leave the sheep to shout Putin bad.

You can paint the reality how ever you wish. But it remains sad numbers. Yuliia has a brother in Moscow and sister in Kaliningrad, both have not seen any Ukrainians there, I recognize this is not any sort of statistic.There are it seems tens of thousands in The Netherlands who wish the Russians would bugger of so they can return to their homeland.

Well I don't think those figures have been made up. Many western organisations have agreed that this is the case.

And yea for what its worth, we have a Ukrainian cleaner who fled Kharkov and she talks mainly about the far right nazi problems in society and her shop was set on fire by Ukrainians because they used Russian language and signage in their branding. Only one woman yes and she did come to the UK but she's not telling anyone that Putins a Nazi child eater and he's coming to London.

[AvHdB]

More evidence of Russian atrocities in Kherson.

https://globalrightscompliance.com/2023/03/02/new-torture-chamber-evidence-uncovered-from-liberated-kherson/

[Manny]

This notion of "forced deportations" is nonsense. People went to Russia by choice because it is safe, they speak the language and the culture is identical.

Is the idea that Russia was supposed to leave kids in a conflict zone? Then the West would be howling about that.

These people are refugees, that is all. Simple refugees who are now safe in Russia. No children have been "kidnapped", this is just Western propaganda.

However, I bet a lot of those 4.8m people won't return back to what will remain of Ukraine, or if they do, they will be in Russia anyway. Helps out with Russia's population decline I suppose.

There's more: Ukraine's alleged population was 43m. Minus the bits that are now Russia, minus the refugees in Russia and elsewhere, most of whom won't go back. And minus the poor blokes fed into the meat grinder in the US proxy war, how many people are left? Sounds like the last one out of Ukraine turns out the lights, doesn't it?

[Manny]

More evidence of Russian atrocities in Kherson.

https://globalrightscompliance.com/2023/03/02/new-torture-chamber-evidence-uncovered-from-liberated-kherson/

I see no evidence of a "torture chamber" in those photos. Is that a euphemism for places where people are questioned using questionable tactics? Are you supposed to sit Nazi soldiers down with a cup of tea, some biccies, and a cigar to question them? So its a questioning facility, like there is at Guantanamo Bay then? Or the other sites the US does this in, in the counties it invades.

Lots of flowery language in the article, but very little substance. Looks like an article to feed to the sheeples in the West so they can chant "Putin bad" all over Facebook.

[rosco]

And minus the poor blokes fed into the meat grinder in the US proxy war, how many people are left? Sounds like the last one out of Ukraine turns out the lights, doesn't it?

I bet the EU would love to flood the place with North African/Muslim migrants and the carrot would be all the single available white women. It's like a left wingers diversity wet dream.

[Bodine]

And minus the poor blokes fed into the meat grinder in the US proxy war, how many people are left? Sounds like the last one out of Ukraine turns out the lights, doesn't it?

I bet the EU would love to flood the place with North African/Muslim migrants and the carrot would be all the single available white women. It's like a left wingers diversity wet dream.

Since we're on a momentary subject of neo-nazi (white supremacy), white women, african male...

[rosco]

And minus the poor blokes fed into the meat grinder in the US proxy war, how many people are left? Sounds like the last one out of Ukraine turns out the lights, doesn't it?

I bet the EU would love to flood the place with North African/Muslim migrants and the carrot would be all the single available white women. It's like a left wingers diversity wet dream.

Since we're on a momentary subject of neo-nazi (white supremacy), white women, african male...

 

[Manny]

And minus the poor blokes fed into the meat grinder in the US proxy war, how many people are left? Sounds like the last one out of Ukraine turns out the lights, doesn't it?

I bet the EU would love to flood the place with North African/Muslim migrants and the carrot would be all the single available white women. It's like a left wingers diversity wet dream.

Ah yes, they'll be told how culturally enriching it will be. They wanted to be in the EU, didn't they? I wonder if they realise rapey Muslims and stabby blacks are part of that deal.