Alleged Russian War Crimes

[andrew99]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

[Wiz]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

Do you have any real evidence for your comments or you just copy all the propaganda items from the western Mass Media, especially the American ones?

Sorry but on this board we are plenty of people who have travelled in both countries got plenty of local experience from there and we prefer to talk only with Facts and other evidences from reliable sources.

It gets bloody boring to hear the same shite time after time.....

 

[andrew99]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

Do you have any real evidence for your comments or you just copy all the propaganda items from the western Mass Media, especially the American ones?

Sorry but on this board we are plenty of people who have travelled in both countries got plenty of local experience from there and we prefer to talk only with Facts and other evidences from reliable sources.

It gets bloody boring to hear the same shite time after time.....

 

Might want to check your sources (Russians sometimes lie )

I have been to Ukraine/Russia before but does that matter?

Do you have any evidence of you claims? gets kind of ridiculous to just deny anything is happening in Mariupol for example .
So its all  a scam in Mariupol is that what you are saying?
What exactly are you saying about Mariupol?

[rosco]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

I’m getting fed up reading your nonsense.

We’ve had a month of war and the Ukrainian prosecutor general office has today announced on sky news, that 136 children have so far died since this all started. It added that 64 were in the Kiev region and 50 in Donetsk.

In my opinion that’s 136 too many.

However, lets put our thinking cap on. So we’ve had a month of rockets and bombs and mortars and tanks and guns all firing indiscriminately and according to Texan77, intentionally at the public. We’ve been told that the Russians are intentionally targeting schools, nurseries, hospitals, maternity wards and religious venues.

I’m astounded that they only managed to kill 136 children......yes bad shit is happening but try not to eat all the crap the MSM is feeding you.

[dorbradavid]

Ditto 

In my opinion that’s 136 too many.

However, lets put our thinking cap on. So we’ve had a month of rockets and bombs and mortars and tanks and guns all firing indiscriminately and according to Texan77, intentionally at the public. We’ve been told that the Russians are intentionally targeting schools, nurseries, hospitals, maternity wards and religious venues.

I’m astounded that they only managed to kill 136 children......yes bad shit is happening but try not to eat all the crap the MSM is feeding you.

[Wiz]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

Do you have any real evidence for your comments or you just copy all the propaganda items from the western Mass Media, especially the American ones?

Sorry but on this board we are plenty of people who have travelled in both countries got plenty of local experience from there and we prefer to talk only with Facts and other evidences from reliable sources.

It gets bloody boring to hear the same shite time after time.....

 

Might want to check your sources (Russians sometimes lie )

I have been to Ukraine/Russia before but does that matter?

Do you have any evidence of you claims? gets kind of ridiculous to just deny anything is happening in Mariupol for example .
So its all  a scam in Mariupol is that what you are saying?
What exactly are you saying about Mariupol?

Regarding the information I posted about Marioupol I said that I heard the statements and views of teh Greek Consul who live there........unlike you!

Actually IF ? and when you have been there it's much easier to undestand the events and know where they are coming from instead of using your GPS TO FIND YOUR TOILET!
 

[Tom Cat]

Some good news for Ukrainian civilians in Mariupol.
There is talks between France, Turkey and Greece to form a rescue mission to go in a and take survivors out of the city.

[andrew99]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

I’m getting fed up reading your nonsense.

We’ve had a month of war and the Ukrainian prosecutor general office has today announced on sky news, that 136 children have so far died since this all started. It added that 64 were in the Kiev region and 50 in Donetsk.

In my opinion that’s 136 too many.

However, lets put our thinking cap on. So we’ve had a month of rockets and bombs and mortars and tanks and guns all firing indiscriminately and according to Texan77, intentionally at the public. We’ve been told that the Russians are intentionally targeting schools, nurseries, hospitals, maternity wards and religious venues.

I’m astounded that they only managed to kill 136 children......yes bad shit is happening but try not to eat all the crap the MSM is feeding you.

Look Rosco or wiz or whatever you call yourselves. About my nonsense. I am not in Ukraine and there are multiple sources of information you can get.
If you know what is happening please share your information .

Just denying anything the western media does  isnt sharing information!

yes 136 seems a little low

You think Russians are not shelling civilians on purpose? or by accident? you have any evidence?

[rosco]

Kind of fed up of seeing Russians bomb civilians and then see these Russian deny anything actually happen.
In this day and age with social media/cameras how can Russia deny this? All wars have war crimes but this is just so obvious and  who is guilty? You cant just blame Putin.

Is there any doubt about what  Russia is doing to civilians in Mariupol ?

I’m getting fed up reading your nonsense.

We’ve had a month of war and the Ukrainian prosecutor general office has today announced on sky news, that 136 children have so far died since this all started. It added that 64 were in the Kiev region and 50 in Donetsk.

In my opinion that’s 136 too many.

However, lets put our thinking cap on. So we’ve had a month of rockets and bombs and mortars and tanks and guns all firing indiscriminately and according to Texan77, intentionally at the public. We’ve been told that the Russians are intentionally targeting schools, nurseries, hospitals, maternity wards and religious venues.

I’m astounded that they only managed to kill 136 children......yes bad shit is happening but try not to eat all the crap the MSM is feeding you.

Look Rosco or wiz or whatever you call yourselves. About my nonsense. I am not in Ukraine and there are multiple sources of information you can get.
If you know what is happening please share your information .

Just denying anything the western media does  isnt sharing information!

yes 136 seems a little low

You think Russians are not shelling civilians on purpose? or by accident? you have any evidence?

Do you have any credible evidence that the Russians are intentionally targeting unarmed civilians?

[Texan77]

Look at video at 4 minutes and 40 seconds. This one way they will prove the Russia is attacking civilians as much of this data is being collected.

Vice news show Kharkov where there was no close in fighting just damage from random rockets. The battle lines are outside the city yet the city behind the lines is destroyed.

It goes on and on, but if you do not get the idea, you never will no matter what I show you.

[2tallbill]

Kind of fed up

It's f#cking terrible. War is hell and this is no exception. Children dying is absolutely
heartbreaking.

I met Pat Tilman and his fiancee (she is smoking hot) in Los Gatos California.
I met him when he was an NFL player. One of my sales reps who worked for
me played high school ball with him.

Later Pat quit the NFL to join the army and to fight in Afghanistan. Pat was tragically
killed by friendly fire. It was an accident, his beautiful fiancee was devastated. War
is hell, it steals the best and the brightest among us. His death wasn't a crime, it
was a crying shame but not a crime.

War is ugly, it should be avoided at nearly all costs.

Children getting killed is agonizingly tragic. War crimes are something else entirely.
Words mean things. Neither you nor Joe Biden can change their meanings because something terrible or ugly happened.

[Wiz]

Well here some more news from a Greek channel, obviously been a trilingual makes life eisier to watch or read variouw videos and articles. Not sure if you can translate but take a look the prisoners of war in Donbass.............

Hundreds of Ukrainians taken prisoners in Kiev! They surrender to Donbas under the weight of Russian fire

Joe Biden is an embarrassment to America: Nigel Farage

Former Russian spy issues this warning on modern-day espionage

and finnally in English.... for you to learn the factss.

Sanctions, regime change in Russia, then focus on China   

 

[Wiz]

It's f#cking terrible. War is hell and this is no exception. Children dying is absolutely
heartbreaking.

War is ugly, it should be avoided at nearly all costs.

Children getting killed is agonizingly tragic. War crimes are something else entirely.
Words mean things. Neither you nor Joe Biden can change their meanings because something terrible or ugly happened.

Bill Of course I agree with your above comments and also with the slogan:

Make Love not war!

But.....we have to agree that for the past  75 + years the USA has been involved is a huge list of wars iINVADING AND DESTROYING a huge number of countries and killing millions of INNOCENT PEOPLE....... and all that just to satisfy your large number of USA " CORPORATOCRACY" WHO DO NOT HESITATE TO  KILL MORE PEOPLE IN THEIR PURSUIT TO HAVE MORE MONEY IN THEIR PORTOFOLIO.

[andrew99]

This thread is about Russian war crimes. Start your own thread about USA.
Or is it much more fun to claim the USA is the problem in everything?

[Wiz]

This thread is about Russian war crimes. Start your own thread about USA.
Or is it much more fun to claim the USA is the problem in everything?

I was not aware that you are the Moderator of this board or the owner of it and if you have any complaints about me disputing all the crap propaganda that is presented on this thread, despite the title, then please refer your comments/complains  to the Owner or the Moderator!

[andrew99]

This thread is about Russian war crimes. Start your own thread about USA.
Or is it much more fun to claim the USA is the problem in everything?

I was not aware that you are the Moderator of this board or the owner of it and if you have any complaints about me disputing all the crap propaganda that is presented on this thread, despite the title, then please refer your comments/complains  to the Owner or the Moderator!

The Russian military  will be convicted of war crimes

go and take your views to ICC where it matters otherwise you are going to have to be impressive than this in your arguments

[Wiz]

This thread is about Russian war crimes. Start your own thread about USA.
Or is it much more fun to claim the USA is the problem in everything?

I was not aware that you are the Moderator of this board or the owner of it and if you have any complaints about me disputing all the crap propaganda that is presented on this thread, despite the title, then please refer your comments/complains  to the Owner or the Moderator!

The Russian military  will be convicted of war crimes

go and take your views to ICC where it matters otherwise you are going to have to be impressive than this in your arguments

I can easily make a bet with you that the Russian Government, when this willl be over, will arrest all the Russian Military leadership and send them over to ICC to be convicted for war crimes!

Let us know how much you are prepared to bet!

I am sure that Yelenskii will be the first to ask for the arrest of the Russian Military leadership like the NATO did after the  3 months Bombing and flattening of  Yugoslavia and Servia......at te end of last century!


 

[rosco]

Look at video at 4 minutes and 40 seconds. This one way they will prove the Russia is attacking civilians as much of this data is being collected.

Tex, this still doesn't prove that Russia are intentionally targeting civilians. No matter how upsetting this is for you, none of it proves that Russia are doing what you claim they are doing. You have been writing like a blinded man for some time now.

Yes its horrible, disturbing to watch and the sooner a cease fire is called, the better. I think Bill mentioned it well in one of his recent posts, war is barbaric.

It's f#cking terrible. War is hell and this is no exception. Children dying is absolutely
heartbreaking.

I met Pat Tilman and his fiancee (she is smoking hot) in Los Gatos California.
I met him when he was an NFL player. One of my sales reps who worked for
me played high school ball with him.

Later Pat quit the NFL to join the army and to fight in Afghanistan. Pat was tragically
killed by friendly fire. It was an accident, his beautiful fiancee was devastated. War
is hell, it steals the best and the brightest among us. His death wasn't a crime, it
was a crying shame but not a crime.

War is ugly, it should be avoided at nearly all costs.

Children getting killed is agonizingly tragic. War crimes are something else entirely.
Words mean things. Neither you nor Joe Biden can change their meanings because something terrible or ugly happened.

However, unless we find out exactly why they were ordered to shell as very specific part of a building used/formerly used as residential, its all guessing games. Can you prove that Ukrainian military wasn't firing from this position? Do we know with full certainty, that this target area was simply a peaceful housing estate with zero threat to the Russians? If Russia are doing as you have been claiming, why is the civilian death rate so small after a month of hell? They should have levelled millions of people by now.....

The US often bombed the shit of innocent sand jockeys, claiming collateral damage or mistaken identity. Using your very narrow perspective, is it fair to claim that the US military have been committing war crimes and have purposely targeted civilians for generations?? Are the US different to Russia only because you're American and have Ukrainian interests?

I watched the videos you posted and whilst they're very sad to watch, there's a great deal of guess work and a pre meditated angle of investigation going on. That might be enough to sell you down the river but right now, I'd question anything you hear from the media.

What happened in that first video wasn't necessarily right, but it doesnt prove its a war crime.

[andrew99]

This thread is about Russian war crimes. Start your own thread about USA.
Or is it much more fun to claim the USA is the problem in everything?

I was not aware that you are the Moderator of this board or the owner of it and if you have any complaints about me disputing all the crap propaganda that is presented on this thread, despite the title, then please refer your comments/complains  to the Owner or the Moderator!

The Russian military  will be convicted of war crimes

go and take your views to ICC where it matters otherwise you are going to have to be impressive than this in your arguments

I can easily make a bet with you that the Russian Government, when this willl be over, will arrest all the Russian Military leadership and send them over to ICC to be convicted for war crimes!

Let us know how much you are prepared to bet!

I am sure that Yelenskii will be the first to ask for the arrest of the Russian Military leadership like the NATO did after the  3 months Bombing and flattening of  Yugoslavia and Servia......at te end of last century!


 

i hope you are correct but even so a lot has to happen before then. Will there be a Ukraine left? will the west just stand by and watch with limited input?

[Manny]

Look at video at 4 minutes and 40 seconds. This one way they will prove the Russia is attacking civilians as much of this data is being collected.

Tex, this still doesn't prove that Russia are intentionally targeting civilians. No matter how upsetting this is for you, none of it proves that Russia are doing what you claim they are doing. You have been writing like a blinded man for some time now.

Yes its horrible, disturbing to watch and the sooner a cease fire is called, the better. I think Bill mentioned it well in one of his recent posts, war is barbaric.

It's f#cking terrible. War is hell and this is no exception. Children dying is absolutely
heartbreaking.

I met Pat Tilman and his fiancee (she is smoking hot) in Los Gatos California.
I met him when he was an NFL player. One of my sales reps who worked for
me played high school ball with him.

Later Pat quit the NFL to join the army and to fight in Afghanistan. Pat was tragically
killed by friendly fire. It was an accident, his beautiful fiancee was devastated. War
is hell, it steals the best and the brightest among us. His death wasn't a crime, it
was a crying shame but not a crime.

War is ugly, it should be avoided at nearly all costs.

Children getting killed is agonizingly tragic. War crimes are something else entirely.
Words mean things. Neither you nor Joe Biden can change their meanings because something terrible or ugly happened.

However, unless we find out exactly why they were ordered to shell as very specific part of a building used/formerly used as residential, its all guessing games. Can you prove that Ukrainian military wasn't firing from this position? Do we know with full certainty, that this target area was simply a peaceful housing estate with zero threat to the Russians? If Russia are doing as you have been claiming, why is the civilian death rate so small after a month of hell? They should have levelled millions of people by now.....

The US often bombed the shit of innocent sand jockeys, claiming collateral damage or mistaken identity. Using your very narrow perspective, is it fair to claim that the US military have been committing war crimes and have purposely targeted civilians for generations?? Are the US different to Russia only because you're American and have Ukrainian interests?

I watched the videos you posted and whilst they're very sad to watch, there's a great deal of guess work and a pre meditated angle of investigation going on. That might be enough to sell you down the river but right now, I'd question anything you hear from the media.

What happened in that first video wasn't necessarily right, but it doesnt prove its a war crime.

I agree with all that.

will the west just stand by and watch with limited input?

The west caused this conflict. Putin has made it clear further western intervention is not required.

[andrewfi]

The west caused this conflict. Putin has made it clear further western intervention is not required.

That's not going to happen.

Ukraine is merely the current and most obvious spearpoint. There will be a Gladio style 'stay-behind' operation that will be hard to root out. The implementation of that operation has already begun.

Also, the RF has made it clear their goal is to get NATO forces back to their 1997 positions. At the moment the opposite is taking place with increased foreign forces within the new NATO states and new weapons systems installed and being added to NATO states further back from Russian borders.

I am sure that the RF will not try to insist that The Baltic states and others withdraw from NATO, but that these countries do not host foreign forces and weapons systems within their borders.

[AvHdB]

I can easily make a bet with you that the Russian Government, when this willl be over, will arrest all the Russian Military leadership and send them over to ICC to be convicted for war crimes!

Let us know how much you are prepared to bet!

I will wager you are spot on. What are the odds?

[dorbradavid]

Both sides are lying. "Truth is the first casualty of a war."

Might want to check your sources (Russians sometimes lie )

[andrew99]

I wouldnt fall for the NATO caused this war. NATO is not a untied army. Invoking this article 5 does not mean every NATO country returns fire or gets involved.  In reality maybe only a  few countries get involved if any because the whole NATO laws/rules/regulation are written by LAWYERS and there are built in little known caveats.

Lets see what happens when this article is actually tested and you wont see every NATO country jumping in Ukraine.

Every country has a right to self defense . Putin wants a bigger Russian empire . These 2 ideas dont work for the Kremlin. Other than that you are overthinking this

[BillyB]

Look at video at 4 minutes and 40 seconds. This one way they will prove the Russia is attacking civilians as much of this data is being collected.

Check out this video in link. Russians mowing down Ukrainian civilians. Makes people really angry until the end when the learn the shooting of civilians was actually done for a good reason.

https://twitter.com/MeetKarma45/status/1505099208117809155

Authoritarian governments are closer to home than you think and they were about ready to show their true colors if it weren't for good people that was exposing them for who they are and calling for Nuremberg style trials of those implementing a depopulation plan.