Poll On The Effects Of Sanctions In Russia

[andrewfi]

Poll into the effects of sanctions upon Russians.
https://vz.ru/vote/result/2010/

I just thought I'd share this poll. It is, of course, in Russian. Google and other tools can help you read this if you need assistance.

The results surprised me a little, but the comments clarified why the results might be as they are.

The same site also has an interesting piece about life in Melitopol since the Kievan regime and armed forces abandoned the city. Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing. Caution is advised.

https://vz.ru/politics/2022/3/19/1149308.html

[Manny]

Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing.

NS and Co will be disturbed indeed to read of that. 

Another poll I saw was from the reputable polling company run by Lord Ashcroft: https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2022/03/for-now-russia-backs-putin-and-the-invasion-but-younger-people-are-sceptical-of-the-kremlin-line/

[NS1]

Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing.

NS and Co will be disturbed indeed to read of that. 

Another poll I saw was from the reputable polling company run by Lord Ashcroft: https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2022/03/for-now-russia-backs-putin-and-the-invasion-but-younger-people-are-sceptical-of-the-kremlin-line/

WHy would I be disturbed  by this, sounds right.
Last week, poll showed 75% not getting accurate picture of what is happening in Ukraine.
If Putin was so sure what he was doing was right, why change laws?
Why elminate independant Russian media?
WHy force people to go to his rally?

SO many whys, no real answers, only he knows.

[Manny]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

[AvHdB]

Poll into the effects of sanctions upon Russians.
https://vz.ru/vote/result/2010/

I just thought I'd share this poll. It is, of course, in Russian. Google and other tools can help you read this if you need assistance.

The results surprised me a little, but the comments clarified why the results might be as they are.

The same site also has an interesting piece about life in Melitopol since the Kievan regime and armed forces abandoned the city. Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing. Caution is advised.

https://vz.ru/politics/2022/3/19/1149308.html

An interesting poll, unfortunately Google will not work across the site. But the below is a short summary of the premise.

Have you felt the influence of anti-Russian sanctions of the West?
Yes, the impact is significant | 19.95%
Yes, the impact is moderate | 29.65%
No, did not feel the impact | 50.4%

BASICALLY about 50% of the Russian are feeling the ‘bite’ of Western sanctions. On the other side only 100% of Ukrainian’s are feeling the effects of the war/invasion.

[andrewfi]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

Do you even need to ask?

[andrewfi]

Yup, they supported a corrupt government and upheld and took part in terrible, evil acts upon their own countrymen. Now, all suffer, even those who were themselves victimised by their peers. But that will end soon enough.

These days we talk of 'karma'. In the future, we might talk of 'Ukraine' with the same meaning.

[NS1]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

No, simply because I don't have time to translate it.

Does it matter what I think. You are already convinced of what you beleive
no amount of news, links, etc will change your mind,  so why bother.

[NS1]

Yup, they supported a corrupt government and upheld and took part in terrible, evil acts upon their own countrymen. Now, all suffer, even those who were themselves victimised by their peers. But that will end soon enough.

These days we talk of 'karma'. In the future, we might talk of 'Ukraine' with the same meaning.

your going off the grid again, you really should ease up on the drinking and pills.

[chelseaboy]

Poll into the effects of sanctions upon Russians.
https://vz.ru/vote/result/2010/

I just thought I'd share this poll. It is, of course, in Russian. Google and other tools can help you read this if you need assistance.

The results surprised me a little, but the comments clarified why the results might be as they are.

The same site also has an interesting piece about life in Melitopol since the Kievan regime and armed forces abandoned the city. Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing. Caution is advised.

https://vz.ru/politics/2022/3/19/1149308.html

An interesting poll, unfortunately Google will not work across the site. But the below is a short summary of the premise.

Have you felt the influence of anti-Russian sanctions of the West?
Yes, the impact is significant | 19.95%
Yes, the impact is moderate | 29.65%
No, did not feel the impact | 50.4%

BASICALLY about 50% of the Russian are feeling the ‘bite’ of Western sanctions. On the other side only 100% of Ukrainian’s are feeling the effects of war.

Even Putin has publicly admitted the sanctions have made things "difficult" in one of his almost daily speeches.

I was watching an "expert" on CNN this morning and he was saying the sanctions won't start to really bite until April.

Obviously i haven't got a clue if he knows what he's talking about.

[Manny]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

No, simply because I don't have time to translate it.

Here in the modern world, our browsers do it automatically. Behold:

When the Ukrainian authorities left Melitopol, all the services responsible for the security of the city left with them, and weapons and police cars were abandoned. Well done turned out to be employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, who remained with the Melitopol residents and are now helping, one of the new leaders of Melitopol, Yevgeny Balitsky, told the VZGLYAD newspaper. How does the Ukrainian city, recently liberated by Russian troops, live and what does it hope for?

On Friday night, Russian air defense systems repelled a missile attack aimed at the residential areas of Melitopol, a Zaporozhye city that had been occupied by our troops a few weeks ago. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, several Tochka-Us with cluster warheads were fired from the outskirts of Zaporozhye , which is “controlled by Ukrainian nationalists.” However, the missiles flying to Melitopol were intercepted .

Nevertheless, Melitopol is getting used to a new peaceful life: shops, transport are working, and humanitarian aid is being distributed to the townspeople. Here, as in Kherson, provisional administrations began to work. And about. Mayor was the deputy of the City Council Galina Danilchenko, who previously was a member of the Party of Regions. She is assisted by the "Committee of People's Deputies".

The deputy of the Zaporozhye Regional Council Yevgeny Balitsky is responsible for coordinating the local authorities with the Russian law enforcement agencies. The adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Anton Gerashchenko, has already accused the deputy of treason, threatening him with severe punishment.

Balitsky was born in Melitopol, in the family of a military aviator. In 1991 he graduated from the Tambov Higher Military Aviation School, in 1995 he was transferred to the reserve from the Melitopol Regiment of Military Transport Aviation with the rank of captain. After that, he was engaged in business, until he moved into politics, was a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the Party of Regions (he was also elected from Melitopol).

Evgeny Balitsky.  (photo: frame from video)
Evgeny Balitsky. (photo: frame from video)

In 2017, on one of the television talk shows, he promised to annex Melitopol to Russia. “Crimea has left, we cannot regain Donbass. And we will leave - I and the district that I represent, - Balitsky threatened. “Only we will leave with our territories.”
About how his native Melitopol lives in the new reality, Yevgeny Balitsky spoke in an interview with the VZGLYAD newspaper.

OPINION: Yevgeny Vitalyevich, reportedly, the city was subjected to rocket fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What are the consequences of the impact?

Evgeny Balitsky: Three rockets in the evening and night. We count them every day. In fact, they flew one or two every day towards Melitopol. It all started as soon as the Ukrainian troops left Melitopol, and it happens with a frequency of three rockets per day.

But the benefit of air defense, deployed by Russian troops, knocks them down. The missiles were shot down, two of them were with a cluster warhead, one was designed to undermine objects, not manpower. Two rockets fell in a more or less safe area, and one rocket fell in a residential area, the gas main was damaged. I saw holes in the gas pipe, there was an ignition.

City services worked fine, extinguished, houses are being restored. The damage is not very significant, because the impact of the fragments is not a direct hit of the rocket. Roofs, slates, windows are restored by the city and the citizens themselves.


But I can not help but share the general impression of what is happening. Ukraine is now firing at Melitopol, firing from this very Tochka launcher - and not at the airfield, not at military units that we don’t have ... The military in bulletproof vests and on armor, they just won’t die. And I have a question - why are you shooting at us? To whom and what do you want to prove? Do you want to bring us to our knees, or do you want to make us love Ukraine even more?

A Ukrainian Tochka-U missile was flying towards us, and the Russians shot it down. So who should we be grateful for our lives? I'm not calling for anything, I'm just asking questions - although I have already been brought to the "Peacemaker" and declared almost an enemy. But now I'm more concerned about the peace and security of our city - so that all services work normally.

VZGLYAD: How is it now?

E.B.: Most shops are open. The markets are open, the products are all there, as it was before February 24th. Prices are slightly higher than before the 24th. Basically, all spheres are working, except for industry, because there are a lot of questions about supplies and sales of products.

The salaries of state employees are paid - partly by the Ukrainian authorities, if we take state institutions, such as institutes, the Agro Academy, technical schools - what was on the balance sheet of the state, not local authorities. As for local payments, there is a problem with payments to pensioners, now this issue is being resolved, the debt is small, no more than a month.

But we must admit that there are interruptions in many industries, many enterprises do not work - by the way, this explains the fact that a very large number of people are standing in lines for humanitarian aid. To be frank, if even before February 24 something was handed out for free, there would still be a huge queue.

VZGLYAD: How does the new city government build relations with the Russian military?

E.B.: The military does not directly interfere in the life of the city. We observe them only in the objects of deployment, they walk around the city, we - the civil authorities - especially do not intersect with them. The interaction is with the police, which was created to protect law and order, instead of the national police.

We receive humanitarian aid every week. Today we received 50 tons: stew, sugar, cereals, diapers - everything you need. We distribute in different parts of the city. Mostly receive socially unprotected group. And yes, the lines are huge.

VZGLYAD: You mentioned the newly created law enforcement service. Is it strong enough to fight the looting that was reported in the first days after the departure of the Ukrainian military?

E.B .: Looting is on the decline. It is practically non-existent now - in any case, there have been no reports over the past week. Law and order in the city is provided by the military and the Melitopol police. About a hundred people signed up as volunteers - these are former police officers, mostly retired. They walk without weapons. We don’t have a prosecutor’s office, we don’t have courts, so the security forces cannot fully perform their functions.

You have to understand that quite recently there was a crazy situation - when the Ukrainian authorities left, including all the security forces, who, as far as I know, were transferred to Dnepropetrovsk. All the services that were responsible for the security of the city left - everything was damaged in their offices, computers and other equipment.

At the same time, the weapons were thrown, and the police cars were also thrown. The employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations turned out to be well done, they stayed with the Melitopol residents, now they are helping.

VZGLYAD: Was there an exodus of residents from the city before the Russian troops entered?

E.B.: No. As I said, mostly employees of the prosecutor's office, the police, and employees of the mayor's office left. Those who were "at the feeder", they had something to lose. Those who directly financed the Right Sector* and similar organizations, or were somehow connected with them, also left. Needless to say, there were very few. We are a typical city of the South-East, we have never had a lot of crazy "Nazis" here. There were practically no those who left to serve in "Aidar", "Azov" and other national battalions.

By order of the Kiev authorities, they tried to create a territorial defense, there were no more than a dozen who wanted to sign up. And even then, these people were immediately handed over - when the "good people" entered the mayor's office, they handed over their own teroboronists. Such a classic of the Ukrainian genre.
 
VZGLYAD: We have heard statements that the new leadership of the city seeks to be out of politics. Is it so, in your opinion?

E.B.: We do not influence political processes, which flags hang in the city. This is the position, and it is shared by the majority of the townspeople - there is no need to drag people into political showdowns. There are two presidents who must resolve issues between themselves. There are two armies that sort things out with each other. But please don't do it in city blocks! We want to live and develop, we need to give birth to children, we need our city to remain for someone, so that there is someone to live here.

VZGLYAD: The  Kiev leadership encouraged local residents of cities that are under the control of the Russian military to go to rallies. How do city officials feel about this?

E.B.: The authorities urge people not to participate in such actions. My personal opinion is this - all these calls for “protest and resistance” are reminiscent of a line from a song: “I love you so much when you are far away!”. It's good to be clever somewhere in Kiev - let's all die for our homeland.

On this topic
Media: In Melitopol, the Russian army buys weapons distributed to the population of Kiev
The Russian Armed Forces have established full control over Melitopol
Ukrainians are promised getting rid of debts and loans
Let them better explain what we are all invited to die for. "For our streets and houses"? So do not put mortars on our houses, and do not launch combat drones into the streets. I already spoke about the rockets - which they launched at our homes. "For the Ukrainian land"? So the Kiev authorities sold this land without asking people, without any referendum. For plants and factories? So they have not been ours for a long time, their oligarchs bought them up. I will not fight for Zelensky.

In 1991 I voted for Ukraine, for independence, but I voted for another country. Not for taking away the right to speak Russian from us, and not for them renaming our streets here without asking anyone. Everything was done without us. And now, when it's hot, they say - come on, patriots, go and fight. When people ask me why I am not a military officer, I take part in the fighting? I swore an oath to the Soviet Union - why should I fight for you?

[NS1]

Poll into the effects of sanctions upon Russians.
https://vz.ru/vote/result/2010/

I just thought I'd share this poll. It is, of course, in Russian. Google and other tools can help you read this if you need assistance.

The results surprised me a little, but the comments clarified why the results might be as they are.

The same site also has an interesting piece about life in Melitopol since the Kievan regime and armed forces abandoned the city. Some may find what they read harrowing and disturbing. Caution is advised.

https://vz.ru/politics/2022/3/19/1149308.html

An interesting poll, unfortunately Google will not work across the site. But the below is a short summary of the premise.

Have you felt the influence of anti-Russian sanctions of the West?
Yes, the impact is significant | 19.95%
Yes, the impact is moderate | 29.65%
No, did not feel the impact | 50.4%

BASICALLY about 50% of the Russian are feeling the ‘bite’ of Western sanctions. On the other side only 100% of Ukrainian’s are feeling the effects of war.

Even Putin has publicly admitted the sanctions have made things "difficult" in one of his almost daily speeches.

I was watching an "expert" on CNN this morning and he was saying the sanctions won't start to really bite until April.

Obviously i haven't got a clue if he knows what he's talking about.

Normally Sanctions don't have an effect quickly, Surprised this much of an affect this quickly.
Normally it takes time to really take effect. Be interesting to watch.
Good question, when will Russia re-open their stock market?
that might show something.

[chelseaboy]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

No, simply because I don't have time to translate it.

Here in the modern world, our browsers do it automatically. Behold:

*article content above*

This comes from a Russian site ....right ?

[NS1]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

No, simply because I don't have time to translate it.

Here in the modern world, our browsers do it automatically. Behold:

*article content above*

All of this and yet people trying to leave having issues, although last 2 days folks starting to go,
People saying they are boiling snow for drinking water, cutting trees down to build fires,
Seems to polar oppsite of article, I would enjoy seeing live video, time stamped ofcourse.
Never noticed, does the article have that or just more propaganda.

So your saying my wife should have no problem reaching her friend in this city now?
SHe has not been able to reach for a week.

[NS1]

Manny is full on now, if he don't get From Putin its not real.
No one else in the world is to be trusted but him.
Not even the folks living this hell.

[Manny]

This comes from a Russian site ....right ?

Articles in Russian about Russian things often are. Who knew? 

Manny is full on now, if he don't get From Putin its not real.
No one else in the world is to be trusted but him.
Not even the folks living this hell.

If you read the article, a challenge I know, you might see its nothing to do with Putin and the chap mentioned is a well-known Ukrainian.

Your lack of reading and thinking is really letting you down now.

[NS1]

this article seems to fly in the face of Andrews
what to believe 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiq8pvy29L2AhXdkYkEHTRoB4QQvOMEKAB6BAgJEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fukrainian-forces-try-to-hold-mariupol-as-combat-reaches-city-streets-11647690670&usg=AOvVaw2nyCIyJLvM2zNxwaOP2Q_Z

[Gipsy]

Have you read the article Andrew posted?

No, simply because I don't have time to translate it.

Here in the modern world, our browsers do it automatically. Behold:

*article content above*

All of this and yet people trying to leave having issues, although last 2 days folks starting to go,
People saying they are boiling snow for drinking water, cutting trees down to build fires,
Seems to polar oppsite of article, I would enjoy seeing live video, time stamped ofcourse.
Never noticed, does the article have that or just more propaganda.

So your saying my wife should have no problem reaching her friend in this city now?
SHe has not been able to reach for a week.

Which city are you on about??

[Gipsy]

this article seems to fly in the face of Andrews
what to believe 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiq8pvy29L2AhXdkYkEHTRoB4QQvOMEKAB6BAgJEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fukrainian-forces-try-to-hold-mariupol-as-combat-reaches-city-streets-11647690670&usg=AOvVaw2nyCIyJLvM2zNxwaOP2Q_Z

Thought as much, you have your cities mixed up...
Its Not about Mariupol...
Though, I can give you info about what's going on there from a friend of ours who has just managed to escape from there

[Manny]

this article seems to fly in the face of Andrews
what to believe 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiq8pvy29L2AhXdkYkEHTRoB4QQvOMEKAB6BAgJEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fukrainian-forces-try-to-hold-mariupol-as-combat-reaches-city-streets-11647690670&usg=AOvVaw2nyCIyJLvM2zNxwaOP2Q_Z

Rapidly Googling for something in the American media, that you posted so fast you certainly haven't read that either, is quite desperate. It's no substitute for reading and being informed.

[NS1]

This comes from a Russian site ....right ?

Articles in Russian about Russian things often are. Who knew? 

Manny is full on now, if he don't get From Putin its not real.
No one else in the world is to be trusted but him.
Not even the folks living this hell.

If you read the article, a challenge I know, you might see its nothing to do with Putin and the chap mentioned is a well-known Ukrainian.

Your lack of reading and thinking is really letting you down now.

Everything out of Russian has to do with Putin, even you should know that.
My thinking, atleast I read RT and RUssian articles, you have lost all critical thinking skills.
Full on propaganda for you now.

Heres a question for you, Your support for Putin here is for certain, we all see that.
DO you still go on local radio and support putin in last 3 weeks?
I am sure they are asking your opinion.
Do you have pro Russian signs and such in your Business for support?
DO you walk the walk in your everyday life or just here?


I have Ukrainian Flags in mine.
I speak and show my support .

[Manny]

DO you still go on local radio and support putin in last 3 weeks?
I am sure they are asking your opinion.

I haven't done radio or articles for some time by choice. It doesn't pay much. I am too busy with business and family.

Do you have pro Russian signs and such in your Business for support?

Business isn't about politics.

DO you walk the walk in your everyday life or just here?

When asked, I give my opinion, indeed.

I have Ukrainian Flags in mine.
I speak and show my support .

That's called virtue signalling. Low information people do a lot of that.

you have lost all critical thinking skills.

Christ, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. 

[2tallbill]

NS and Co will be disturbed indeed to read of that. 

Most of the sanctions are silly. Such and such Oligarch is not permitted to
purchase a local sports team, or their 600 ft yacht is towed. Such things
don't hurt regular Russians. Any real sanctions would hurt both sides.

Biden hurt the American people by putting sanctions on Russian gas and oil.
He only did it so that he could blame the sneaky Russians for the price of
gasoline at home and to divert attention from himself.

It's only the Press who are trying to frame these sanctions as something
difficult or painful.

[andrewfi]

NS1, you'd have more credibility if you troubled to read stuff rather than fantasise about it.

By the way, modern Internet browsers have the ability to provide instant translation of most websites.

While I am able to navigate for myself, I use such translations on destination pages. It is almost totally transparent. Laziness, NS1, is not an excuse.

And yes, you are right, s actions do take time to have effect, however, had you been keeping up, you'd know that effects are being seen, but because of how the Russian economy works, the practical effects are far less than were expected by those who illegally imposed them.

Mr Putin was also correct when he noted the challenges. But he is also talking from a different perspective to the folks who buy food in a supermarket, put fuel into their cars and who now shop in a different shop for their home furnishings.

From what I have seen, for ordinary people, things are much as reported in the poll comments to which I alluded in my post. But you can't know that because you are functionally illiterate - that you do not have, as you told us, the skills to read and learn or the willingness to add to those skills. That's not meant as an insult, it is me noting with sadness this demonstration of your handicaps. I am even more saddened that even though you make clear your handicap, you are unwilling to face the challenges that you face.

I have mentioned before the admirable services provided by public libraries in the UK. Among them are lessons in computer literacy. Perhaps something similar is available to you where you live.

I urge you to avail yourself of such classes. I expect that they will be able to train you to use an Internet browser among other things.

[Gipsy]

NS and Co will be disturbed indeed to read of that. 

Most of the sanctions are silly. Such and such Oligarch is not permitted to
purchase a local sports team, or their 600 ft yacht is towed. Such things
don't hurt regular Russians. Any real sanctions would hurt both sides.

Biden hurt the American people by putting sanctions on Russian gas and oil.
He only did it so that he could blame the sneaky Russians for the price of
gasoline at home and to divert attention from himself.

It's only the Press who are trying to frame these sanctions as something
difficult or painful.

I hear that your congress and senate are not passing Biden's executive order ref buying Russian oil... Is this correct??
Maybe that why the US are still buying 38,000 barrels a day from Russia...
The rise in Benz prices, not only in the US, but also in many other countries, are purely down to profit taking by the biggies...