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Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« on: March 11, 2022, 03:35:02 PM »
Who is believing Russia has a right to invade here or they (Russia)are not doing anything wrong?


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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2022, 03:53:00 PM »
Who is believing Russia has a right to invade here or they (Russia)are not doing anything wrong?

If they had proper casus belli, then yes. However I sincerely doubt that they had it here, in fact im pretty darn sure they didnt.
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 03:57:19 PM »
Who is believing Russia has a right to invade here or they (Russia)are not doing anything wrong?

They are wrong to invade on the justifications presented.

Lots of folks feel the justifications have merit, the degree varies..


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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 05:02:14 PM »
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 05:31:05 PM »
Right or wrong is too simplistic.

The situation is far more complex than most realise.

It's been brewing for 15 years, more so since 2014.

The US, and it's top politicians have been meddling and enriching themselves there for years. Everything from the secret bio labs to Kerry and Bidens relatives installed into "jobs" there.

Then there's the 2014 coup. Arranged and funded by the US.

Russia's security concerns have been completely ignored.

Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.

Many factors over time have come together.

Regular folk, whether in Ukraine, the EU, US or the UK have little idea of the background and history, or how Ukraine slots into what is an international chess game where Ukraine is a pawn. A chess game that isn't really about Ukraine any more.

Have a read of this and tell me it isn't complicated: https://thesaker.is/at-the-peak-of-the-nazi-terror-in-ukraine-what-should-anti-fascists-and-nazis-dо/

Or this: https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-man-who-sold-ukraine/

Who here could condense what has happened in the Middle East the last couple of decades into a couple of posts? Probably nobody, me included. Ukraine isn’t much different in that regard. To try to make it as simplistic as “Is Putin a bad guy?” is infantile. It’s a complex situation with all the parties having their own interests. Innocent civilians on the ground caught in the crossfire get the shit end of the stick. The chess game is playing out on their doorsteps.

Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 05:37:19 PM »
None of which gave them the right to Invade Ukraine.
Ukraine was not direct threat to Russia.

Maybe not simple, most things aren't.

Did you notice through all of this war so far
to this point, Ukraine has not fired one rocket into Russia,
Ironic after being attacked for 14 days straight, not one
Person in Russia is under threat.
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 05:50:56 PM »
None of which gave them the right to Invade Ukraine.
Ukraine was not direct threat to Russia.

Maybe not simple, most things aren't.

Did you notice through all of this war so far
to this point, Ukraine has not fired one rocket into Russia,
Ironic after being attacked for 14 days straight, not one
Person in Russia is under threat.

You’ve not read the links to reply so fast and probably couldn’t understand them if you tried.

And actually, missiles landed in Rostov already, so you’re wrong on that too.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 05:53:31 PM »
None of which gave them the right to Invade Ukraine.
Ukraine was not direct threat to Russia.

Maybe not simple, most things aren't.

Did you notice through all of this war so far
to this point, Ukraine has not fired one rocket into Russia,
Ironic after being attacked for 14 days straight, not one
Person in Russia is under threat.

You’ve not read the links to reply so fast and probably couldn’t understand them if you tried.

And actually, missiles landed in Rostov already, so you’re wrong on that too.
I still have time to delete my post, I won't
I will own it and say I am sorry, I was wrong.
when did missles land in rostov?
Oh and your link gave me a 404 message.
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2022, 06:10:56 PM »
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2022, 11:09:06 PM »
Right or wrong is too simplistic.

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Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.
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Sorry I am not clear .
What right did they have in your opinion to invade this country Manny? 
Give me 1 reason why Russia was justified entering Ukraine out of your many complex ideas.



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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2022, 11:33:17 PM »
The link is now fixed.

The Rostov strike was well reported but is mentioned here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550799/amp/Ukraine-hits-airfield-Russia-missile-strike-blow-Putin-downing-six-helicopters.html

This is the dailymail which isnt exactly the official news outlet of Russia like Ministry of Defense is it?

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2022, 02:00:54 AM »
Military site correct?

Or Granny's cottage, depending what you read.

This is the dailymail which isnt exactly the official news outlet of Russia like Ministry of Defense is it?

You're scared of the non https on some Russian government sites.

Sorry I am not clear .
What right did they have in your opinion to invade this country Manny? 
Give me 1 reason why Russia was justified entering Ukraine out of your many complex ideas.

If you can't understand what was written, I can't help you further.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2022, 01:07:41 PM »
Right or wrong is too simplistic.

You have an excellent mind, know the history and can weigh the variables
in play. Your refusal to answer the question is telling.



Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.

I asked you to define this and you ignored my request.

Are you referring to Ukraine's corrupt oligarchs?
Do you think Russian oligarchs are less corrupt or more virtuous?

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2022, 02:16:24 PM »
Right or wrong is too simplistic.

You have an excellent mind, know the history and can weigh the variables
in play. Your refusal to answer the question is telling.



Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.

I asked you to define this and you ignored my request.

Are you referring to Ukraine's corrupt oligarchs?
Do you think Russian oligarchs are less corrupt or more virtuous?
Manny's number one tool when challenged on most things lately
in Ukraine / Russia, that are real are to deflect.

Hard to argue reality of this situation, unless of course you are insane.
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2022, 02:19:00 PM »
The right to invade.
Argument pro Russian here make, is the west
created this, if so, why does Putin not invade the countries that
created problem? We know why, they are to strong for that.

But if he did and it was your country, your family being bombed,
would you still support him?
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2022, 02:58:07 PM »
Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.

I asked you to define this and you ignored my request.

I answered you three days ago.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2022, 03:38:35 PM »
Ukraine has Nazis embedded in its institutions.

I asked you to define this and you ignored my request.

I answered you three days ago.

So you think Nazis (Hitler approving people) and embedded in Ukraine Institutions and therefor Putin has every right to invade and lob hundreds of missiles on the population?.

Do you have any evidence of this or anything you claim to be a reason to invade?

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2022, 06:08:35 PM »
Previously I posted a small part of this inerview.....today I have the full one.

Enjoy the argument: 

The dean of MGIMO brought the BBC host to hysterics
Her cozy picture of the world was shattered to smithereens / War


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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2022, 07:10:59 PM »
Previously I posted a small part of this inerview.....today I have the full one.

Enjoy the argument: 

The dean of MGIMO brought the BBC host to hysterics
Her cozy picture of the world was shattered to smithereens / War


Its not an argument as the guy wont answer questions . He is deluded yes. Where are these mystical nazis embedded in Ukraine society?

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2022, 08:04:08 PM »
Previously I posted a small part of this inerview.....today I have the full one.

Enjoy the argument: 

The dean of MGIMO brought the BBC host to hysterics
Her cozy picture of the world was shattered to smithereens / War


Its not an argument as the guy wont answer questions . He is deluded yes. Where are these mystical nazis embedded in Ukraine society?

I know of at least two in their government.  One of them is associated with the burning alive of several dozen russians.
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2022, 01:05:53 AM »
Previously I posted a small part of this inerview.....today I have the full one.

Enjoy the argument: 

The dean of MGIMO brought the BBC host to hysterics
Her cozy picture of the world was shattered to smithereens / War


Its not an argument as the guy wont answer questions . He is deluded yes. Where are these mystical nazis embedded in Ukraine society?

Sorry but you don't know her habbits ....but the Russian Guy does ... so he made sure she cannot interupt him....... That is why I am still laughing!
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2022, 04:58:42 AM »
How was this funny as he was making no sense and rambling on ? it was pathetic actually

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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2022, 05:14:50 AM »
How was this funny as he was making no sense and rambling on ? it was pathetic actually

Obviously we don't have the same sence of humour!
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Re: Does Russia have a right to invade Ukraine?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2022, 09:14:54 AM »
 Based on this, no other nation will ever give ups its Nukes in the future.

In 1994 Ukraine agreed to give up more than 2,000 Soviet-era nuclear weapons.
Security 'guarantees' were provided in exchange for this agreement. Those offering guarantees were USA, UK, and Russia - with France and China later becoming signatories.
No nuclear nation has ever been invaded.  If Ukraine had kept its nuclear arsenal, would Russia have chosen its current misadventure? I submit they would not. Nor would they have 'annexed' Crimea in 2014.
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