The Beginning of the End

[Contrarian]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-invasion-by-russia-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-putin-and-his-friends?ref=scroll

[Contrarian]

Oligarchs speak out for peace.


https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-oligarchs-lawmakers-slam-ukraine-invasion-rare-rebuke-2022-3?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com

[Contrarian]

The beginning of the end for Putin is here.


https://www.voanews.com/a/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-vladimir-putin/6475074.html

[Manny]

The new narrative in the western media is their wishful thinking that Putin is doomed, bit off more than he can chew, about to be ousted, is senile, etc, etc., et al.

Realise that most of what you read in the western media is fake news, a mixture of wishful thinking and opinion pieces. The sources they cite are usually Ukrainian officials or someone like minded on Twitter, pictures are often bought off Getty and are years old. Every building bombed is apparently a hospital, old folks home, kindergarten or school. Who knew they had one on every corner?

The narrative they want you to believe is Putin is a swivel eyed dictator who bombs little kiddies for fun. Ask yourself, if true, why would someone do that under the glare of the worlds media? What's in it for Putin? How would those actions benefit him, Russia or the cause? It doesn't stack up.

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

Don't believe everything you read.

[AvHdB]

The new narrative in the western media is their wishful thinking that Putin is doomed, bit off more than he can chew, about to be ousted, is senile, etc, etc., et al.

Realise that most of what you read in the western media is fake news, a mixture of wishful thinking and opinion pieces. The sources they cite are usually Ukrainian officials or someone like minded on Twitter, pictures are often bought off Getty and are years old. Every building bombed is apparently a hospital, old folks home, kindergarten or school. Who knew they had one on every corner?

The narrative they want you to believe is Putin is a swivel eyed dictator who bombs little kiddies for fun. Ask yourself, if true, why would someone do that under the glare of the worlds media? What's in it for Putin? How would those actions benefit him, Russia or the cause? It doesn't stack up.

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

Don't believe everything you read.

 

There is a reality in the above - but remind RUA who has boots on the ground in a foreign nation?

Is everything going as planned for these military forces in there occupation?

[NS1]

The new narrative in the western media is their wishful thinking that Putin is doomed, bit off more than he can chew, about to be ousted, is senile, etc, etc., et al.

Realise that most of what you read in the western media is fake news, a mixture of wishful thinking and opinion pieces. The sources they cite are usually Ukrainian officials or someone like minded on Twitter, pictures are often bought off Getty and are years old. Every building bombed is apparently a hospital, old folks home, kindergarten or school. Who knew they had one on every corner?

The narrative they want you to believe is Putin is a swivel eyed dictator who bombs little kiddies for fun. Ask yourself, if true, why would someone do that under the glare of the worlds media? What's in it for Putin? How would those actions benefit him, Russia or the cause? It doesn't stack up.

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

Don't believe everything you read.

Manny, didn't you say half this on other thread, Ahh forget spread the propaganda everywhere,
class 101,

Why would putin do this on a world stage, because he has everyone in Russia only getting his news.
Also has a bunch of crazy people around the world who hate the US and beleive everything he is doing is for good.
Or maybe hes just bat shit crazy, when your a dictator, everyone only tells you what you want to hear,
free thinkers are not permitted, 22 years of that, he thinks hes God or Stalin or Hitler, the complex is much the same.

 but regardless of how this goes or ends, hes done.
You think not of course and he will be fine as long as he only travels to communist countires lol.

[Contrarian]

The new narrative in the western media is their wishful thinking that Putin is doomed, bit off more than he can chew, about to be ousted, is senile, etc, etc., et al.

Realise that most of what you read in the western media is fake news, a mixture of wishful thinking and opinion pieces. The sources they cite are usually Ukrainian officials or someone like minded on Twitter, pictures are often bought off Getty and are years old. Every building bombed is apparently a hospital, old folks home, kindergarten or school. Who knew they had one on every corner?

The narrative they want you to believe is Putin is a swivel eyed dictator who bombs little kiddies for fun. Ask yourself, if true, why would someone do that under the glare of the worlds media? What's in it for Putin? How would those actions benefit him, Russia or the cause? It doesn't stack up.

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

Don't believe everything you read.

Previously in a different thread you claimed that Putin doesn't care what the Western media says and now you're saying the opposite.

Which one is it? You can't make up your mind. 

[Orchid]

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

    

[Contrarian]

Meanwhile, reality TV star cum temporary president Zelensky, according to the media, is about two steps down from Jesus. They'll soon be reporting him parting the waters of the Dnieper River and feeding 5000 refugees with just a loaf of black bread and a radioactive fish. The deification is almost complete.

What's wrong, are you upset that they haven't made Putin into a Saint, like you have for the past 10+ years?

[Manny]

Previously in a different thread you claimed that Putin doesn't care what the Western media says and now you're saying the opposite.

Which one is it? You can't make up your mind. 

I see the concept of two slightly different statements is lost on you.

Fear not, you'll find lots of Yahoo "news" today that declares Putin is doomed and tales of another few orphanages he is reputed to have personally ordered the destruction of. Meanwhile, Zelensky will have single handedly killed another 500 Russians and shot down two planes in between making statements to CNN and kissing babies.

[Contrarian]

Previously in a different thread you claimed that Putin doesn't care what the Western media says and now you're saying the opposite.

Which one is it? You can't make up your mind. 

I see the concept of two slightly different statements is lost on you.

Fear not, you'll find lots of Yahoo "news" today that declares Putin is doomed and tales of another few orphanages he is reputed to have personally ordered the destruction of. Meanwhile, Zelensky will have single handedly killed another 500 Russians and shot down two planes in between making statements to CNN and kissing babies.

Zelensky also said he cooled to the idea of Ukraine being in NATO. Maybe this is an opening for Vlad to make peace with Ukraine, if he's capable of such a concept, rather than bombing Hospitals.

[Contrarian]

Meanwhile it appears that Russian bombs killed another 47 civilians.

Quote

"Amnesty International, citing interviews and analysis of video footage, asserted that "dumb bombs," or unguided aerial bombs, were used. The group said it believed that most of the people targeted in the strike were people waiting in line for food."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/amnesty-international-fatal-strike-ukrainian-161551831.html

[Manny]

bombing Hospitals.

Do you mean the building that used to be a hospital and had no patients in? 

[NS1]

Years ago war came months later in our local news often months after things happened.
Then we got into 20th century and we were watching wars live on TV, which is a little wild.

This is the first war that is being done through social media, so those who don't trust news sites,
there is often hundreds of videos or pictures by amateurs you can see landmarks and real life
things happening.

SO for all of those saying fake news, most is not that hard to prove,
if you don't know ask any 10 year old to show you.

This war  is like so many of Putins wars, don't go as planned, bomb everything
level it and we will take the heart of the people.
Go watch some live video from Russian controlled cites and tell me what you see.

Sadly the only way Putin wins here is to kill 40 million people.

[rosco]

NS1, you're obviously emotional about what's going on in Ukraine and rightly so. I don't think anybody enjoys watching the country get destroyed, people losing their lives, their loved ones and the displacement of millions. It's disgusting to watch and a real tragedy. I'm in touch with a few Ukrainians and its really shocking when you actually know people who are causalities of this war.

So for that I genuinely hope your extended family survive this mess and most of what you say is understandable. However, as a neutral reading all posts, its clear that your on the extreme end of the scale when it comes to hating everything Russian and anyone who voices a directly opposing opinion. It's as if multiple moral views points and opinions cant be held at the same time and you're either "with me or against me".

Both my wife and the Ukrainian person I'm in touch with are absolutely appalled by whats going on and they have a real hate towards Putin. But both of them feel the cancel culture toward anything Russian and the average Russian person on the street, isn't fair. And that comes from a refugee....

I certainly dont condone what Putin has done and I've lost a lot of respect for the guy but equally I have an appreciation for how we ended up here, given the decisions that have been made from all sides and that Ukraine isn't exactly squeaky clean itself....it never has been. The vast majority of people are sympathetic towards Ukrainians and most of us are rooting for the underdog.

But you cant just get angry and attack anyone who provides a view point that you either dont agree with or that you cant accept to be true, no matter how true it is. What is out of order, would be the celebration of death and destruction in Ukraine but from what I've read, nobody has done so.

Lets keep things real and civil where possible. Anything Manny writes seems to fire you up and saying stuff like Putin wants to kill 40 million people etc kind of discredits a lot of what you write.....

[rosco]

Years ago war came months later in our local news often months after things happened.
Then we got into 20th century and we were watching wars live on TV, which is a little wild.

This is the first war that is being done through social media, so those who don't trust news sites,
there is often hundreds of videos or pictures by amateurs you can see landmarks and real life
things happening.

SO for all of those saying fake news, most is not that hard to prove,
if you don't know ask any 10 year old to show you.

This war  is like so many of Putins wars, don't go as planned, bomb everything
level it and we will take the heart of the people.
Go watch some live video from Russian controlled cites and tell me what you see.

Sadly the only way Putin wins here is to kill 40 million people.

I fully agree that the coverage of war has been pushed into a new dimension, with social media reaching the masses beyond MSM. It's difficult to trust MSM given the hypocrisy of the beast and their motivation to shock but social media is even harder to referee, with all sorts out there giving a one sided view of an incident. Old footage edited into video clips for example, can change the whole dimension.

This is coming from all sides BTW and to suggest that the only fake news and propaganda coming out of Central Europe is from the Russian's, would be fake news in itself.

[chelseaboy]

Years ago war came months later in our local news often months after things happened.
Then we got into 20th century and we were watching wars live on TV, which is a little wild.

This is the first war that is being done through social media, so those who don't trust news sites,
there is often hundreds of videos or pictures by amateurs you can see landmarks and real life
things happening.

SO for all of those saying fake news, most is not that hard to prove,
if you don't know ask any 10 year old to show you.

This war  is like so many of Putins wars, don't go as planned, bomb everything
level it and we will take the heart of the people.
Go watch some live video from Russian controlled cites and tell me what you see.

Sadly the only way Putin wins here is to kill 40 million people.

I fully agree that the coverage of war has been pushed into a new dimension, with social media reaching the masses beyond MSM. It's difficult to trust MSM given the hypocrisy of the beast and their motivation to shock but social media is even harder to referee, with all sorts out there giving a one sided view of an incident. Old footage edited into video clips for example, can change the whole dimension.

This is coming from all sides BTW and to suggest that the only fake news and propaganda coming out of Central Europe is from the Russian's, would be fake news in itself.

This post is not intended to offend anyone on here who's married to a Russian or Ukrainian woman..or indeed anybody from those countries who might be reading it.

The reality is we have a fog of war between two countries who are well-known to be totally corrupt in their societies and Governments.

Anything said by either of them could well be lies/embellishment of the truth.

As well as being corrupt, citizens of these two countries are intelligent and street smart..so they will play the media to their own ends with a lot of misinformation being given out.

There will be fake/doctored videos,misleading reports,fabrication and lies from both of them.

The UK News Channels is having to spend time verifying videos before showing them.and even then they can only say what they know to be true,without committing to saying everything is true.

Anything taken from social media,which won't have been verified,can be taken with a pinch of salt.

What we do know for a fact is that Russia has invaded Ukraine,which has led to the deaths of innocent Ukrainian civilians and the loss of their homes for many others.

This is indisputable.

[rosco]

I completely agree. 

[AvHdB]

Well stated, ChelseaBoy. 

[Faux Pas]

The reality is we have a fog of war between two countries who are well-known to be totally corrupt in their societies and Governments.

Anything said by either of them could well be lies/embellishment of the truth.


This is indisputable.

Do you accept or believe that the governments of the US and UK and all governments who follow their leads are totally corrupt as well?

[AvHdB]

The reality is we have a fog of war between two countries who are well-known to be totally corrupt in their societies and Governments.

Anything said by either of them could well be lies/embellishment of the truth.

This is indisputable.

Do you accept or believe that the governments of the US and UK and all governments who follow their leads are totally corrupt as well?

It is an intriguing question, while directed to CB my opinion is that government’s irregardless of flavor are corrupt. But I believe a Democracy based on Capitalism is inherently less intrusive than other forms of government. The sad reality though in The United States it is no longer a Democracy or based on Capitalism.

[Markje]

It is an intriguing question, while directed to CB my opinion is that government’s irregardless of flavor are corrupt. But I believe a Democracy based on Capitalism is inherently less intrusive than other forms of government. The sad reality though in The United States it is no longer a Democracy or based on Capitalism.

The USA was never a Democracy.

[Contrarian]

The reality is we have a fog of war between two countries who are well-known to be totally corrupt in their societies and Governments.

Anything said by either of them could well be lies/embellishment of the truth.


This is indisputable.

Do you accept or believe that the governments of the US and UK and all governments who follow their leads are totally corrupt as well?

No, not to the degree of Ukraine and Russia.

[Contrarian]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2022/03/01/could-russias-assault-on-ukraine-trigger-putins-overthrow/?sh=28a407901816

[NS1]

NS1, you're obviously emotional about what's going on in Ukraine and rightly so. I don't think anybody enjoys watching the country get destroyed, people losing their lives, their loved ones and the displacement of millions. It's disgusting to watch and a real tragedy. I'm in touch with a few Ukrainians and its really shocking when you actually know people who are causalities of this war.

So for that I genuinely hope your extended family survive this mess and most of what you say is understandable. However, as a neutral reading all posts, its clear that your on the extreme end of the scale when it comes to hating everything Russian and anyone who voices a directly opposing opinion. It's as if multiple moral views points and opinions cant be held at the same time and you're either "with me or against me".

Both my wife and the Ukrainian person I'm in touch with are absolutely appalled by whats going on and they have a real hate towards Putin. But both of them feel the cancel culture toward anything Russian and the average Russian person on the street, isn't fair. And that comes from a refugee....

I certainly dont condone what Putin has done and I've lost a lot of respect for the guy but equally I have an appreciation for how we ended up here, given the decisions that have been made from all sides and that Ukraine isn't exactly squeaky clean itself....it never has been. The vast majority of people are sympathetic towards Ukrainians and most of us are rooting for the underdog.

But you cant just get angry and attack anyone who provides a view point that you either dont agree with or that you cant accept to be true, no matter how true it is. What is out of order, would be the celebration of death and destruction in Ukraine but from what I've read, nobody has done so.

Lets keep things real and civil where possible. Anything Manny writes seems to fire you up and saying stuff like Putin wants to kill 40 million people etc kind of discredits a lot of what you write.....

Rosco I know it seems that way, but actually not true. 2 days ago
A Russian friends was at our house. One of Alionas best friends Husanband is Russian.
We have Many Friends from different places in the FSU.

I truely beleive if most Russians knew what was going on they would not support this war.
Is there some, of course, even here, US, UK and everywhere. People are still people.
But, when I see Russia being not aloud to speak or see anything other than state news.
Can't say the word war or invasion, its gets silly.

Most  important when I see, what I beleived some relatively normal people 100% buy into Putins crap
and even more, on here pushing the propaganda better than Putin could, makes me pissed,
even more with no empathy to the members families and friends who are actually living this.

This is the type of thing, that really shows you what people are like.
Example, few members had family issues and few people here knew,
nothing but an outpouring of supports, its what normal people do.
But for some, when its not their family, just don't give a shit.

If I was smarter I would step away, but this is why Putin and his way of things exists.
For years we all made excuses or excepted this. I beleive 90% of this is pure Putin
other 10% is folks who want the Stalin days to return. Most others in his sphere are scared
for thier life and the lives of their families, so say nothing.