Nazis in Ukraine - Denazification.

[Markje]

The mask has slipped again as another nazi is honoured by the Kiev regime. A combat unit has proudly been given the name of Hitlerite Yevgeny Konovalets, an honour publicly announced by Zelensky himself. All of this not long off the back of the Canadian shambles.

Konovalets out of all the Ukrainian nazis was one of the most loyal and devoted to Hitler.

https://www.tiktok.com/@ugwumbadaily/video/7285952452120153375?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7278657483995072032

Some how I only recall Y. Konovalets as a politician assassinated in the 30’s by the Kremlin, in The Netherlands. I know Operation Barbarossa was in the summer of 1941. I must admit in my view TikTok is at the best at the same level as MSNBC, often lower.

I'll assume you will understand Dutch for this one :
https://www.dodenakkers.nl/artikelen-overzicht/algemeen/moord/de-politieke-moordaanslag-op-jevhen-konovalets-op-de-coolsingel.html

Seems that mr. Konovalets was murdered in 1938 by a stalin-ordered spy bomb.

According to the article, Stalin was worried about the rise of the (Ukrainian) National-Socialism movement of which Konovalets was a member.

Quoting the article:

De spanningen in Europa werden zo ook in Nederland gevoeld. De meningen over de beweging waarvan Konovalets de leider was verschillen tot op de dag van vandaag en variëren nog steeds van ‘fascisten en collaborateurs’ tot ‘verdedigers van een vrij en onafhankelijk Oekraïne’,

The article however does not expand if the UA-nazi were now allied with Hitler's Nazi, or if these are seperate organisations with seperate goals. From innuendo one could gather that the UA-nazi were fighting for freedom from the SSSR, whilst Hitlers nazi of course are something else. Seems that up until 2018 (when this article was written) , the Dutch/Ukrainian/Russian communities remain divided on this point.

[Markje]

 

https://archive.Kievpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/the-voice-of-russia-neo-nazism-should-not-pass-in-ukraine-317510.html

[rosco]

Here's Putin talking about the Canadian politicians and Zelensky, applauding a nazi who killed Jews during WW2 and fought against Russia.

https://www.tiktok.com/@douglas.macgregor1/video/7286680297872100651?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7278657483995072032

"I dont want to hurt the feelings of the great people of Canada but if they don't know that it was Hitler any his minions who fought against Russia, then he's an idiot. That means he didn't study in school or have elementary knowledge. But if he knows that this person fought on Hitlers side and calls him a hero of Ukraine and a hero of Canada, then he's a b@stard."

[Manny]

https://archive.Kievpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/the-voice-of-russia-neo-nazism-should-not-pass-in-ukraine-317510.html

That link won't open here. It must contain some truth.

[Manny]

Here's Putin talking about the Canadian politicians and Zelensky, applauding a nazi who killed Jews during WW2 and fought against Russia.

https://www.tiktok.com/@douglas.macgregor1/video/7286680297872100651?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7278657483995072032

"I dont want to hurt the feelings of the great people of Canada but if they don't know that it was Hitler any his minions who fought against Russia, then he's an idiot. That means he didn't study in school or have elementary knowledge. But if he knows that this person fought on Hitlers side and calls him a hero of Ukraine and a hero of Canada, then he's a b@stard."

I wonder how BC will spin that.

[Markje]

https://archive.Kievpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/the-voice-of-russia-neo-nazism-should-not-pass-in-ukraine-317510.html

That link won't open here. It must contain some truth.

The short gist of it was (article was from 2012):
- We have a nazi problem in Ukraine
- We must at all costs try to prevent svoboda, pravi-sektor and azov from gaining many votes.
- Support for these right-wing extremists are growing.

And then below the article:
- Many, Many , Many pro-Ukrainian articles advertising with denying they ever had a nazi problem (all from 2022+) which triggered my laughter.

[andrewfi]

It is good that many of us do not have the memory of a goldfish. However, it is sometimes disconcerting to see strong signs of the rewriting of history. Millions of people are being gaslit.

For those aware that they are being gaslit, the feeling is, at the least, disconcerting. The movie that gave birth to the term was a frightening piece of work. But millions are unaware of what is being done to them.

[AvHdB]

My comments above #949 were done from memory. During the one year that I attended an Ukraine high school I recall attempting to understand/learn a very convoluted history of Ukraine in the 20th century. The Soviets were seen in a negative light, but there was a clear revulsion to S. Bandera where as Y. Konovalets was held in high esteem.

Fortunately BC is presently not active. For myself presently I am to busy to do this sort of research.

[Contrarian]

Here's Putin talking about the Canadian politicians and Zelensky, applauding a nazi who killed Jews during WW2 and fought against Russia.

https://www.tiktok.com/@douglas.macgregor1/video/7286680297872100651?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7278657483995072032

"I dont want to hurt the feelings of the great people of Canada but if they don't know that it was Hitler any his minions who fought against Russia, then he's an idiot. That means he didn't study in school or have elementary knowledge. But if he knows that this person fought on Hitlers side and calls him a hero of Ukraine and a hero of Canada, then he's a b@stard."

I understand what he's doing here however Mr. Putin is giving a very one-sided simplistic view of history. Real historians know that Stalin was planning to invade Western Europe and hoped to impose communism on the entire continent -- the Germans made a preemptive invasion of the former Soviet Union.

The statement also ignores that the Soviets deliberately starved Millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor which began in 1921; something which the crooked Walter Duranty tried to whitewash but was later exposed as being a fraud.

There should be far less of an argument about who did what and fought on which side and more on who financed both sides of these conflicts going back to WWI, which set the European nations against each other and caused so much human and animal misery, loss of life and loss of treasury. In fact Great Britain lost their Empire because of the foolish and arbitrary behavior of Winston Churchill, an immoral drunk and worse.

Essentially on the one hand the Russians like to complain that the USA imposed a tyranny on the World economically and otherwise after WWII but the Russians ignore that they've never come clean about what the Bolsheviks did to Millions of Christians during and after the Revolution. The World really does need multi-polarity and this includes people learning whole truths about History.

[andrewfi]

Errm, no. Some people think that. But it seems rather unlikely, given the disposition of Russia's military at the relevant time.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but not all opinions are of equal value.

[Texan77]

Most Poles will tell you there was not much difference between being occupied by the Russians or the Germans during ww2.

[Markje]

Most Poles will tell you there was not much difference between being occupied by the Russians or the Germans during ww2.

Your ignorance is showing. It'd be the same as me trying to make statements about kentucky, despite knowing some friends there, I have no idea how life is there.

[Texan77]

Now Russia is pissed off at the NAZI in Norway.

Maria Zakharova, the spokesperson for Russia's Foreign Ministry, echoed Lavrov's sentiments, stating that the car ban could only be viewed as a form of "Nazism against Russians."

This is because all countries that are doing something Russia does not like are NAZIs according to Russian spokes persons and press.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-furious-at-norway-it-s-nazism/ar-AA1hRAtm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=bf014941296b4f2fab498596b91e5a6d&ei=4

Russia had a missile strike on a funeral and killed over fifty Ukrainian civilian mourners and sent many more to hospitals with serious injuries. Now that is Naziism and terrorism. That is the real Russia.

[AvHdB]

Russia had a missile strike on a funeral and killed over fifty Ukrainian civilian mourners and sent many more to hospitals with serious injuries. Now that is Naziism and terrorism. That is the real Russia.

Sorry the above has zero to do with neo-Nazis and terrorism is a stretch in my opinion. It’s a sad reality of war.

[Contrarian]

Errm, no. Some people think that. But it seems rather unlikely, given the disposition of Russia's military at the relevant time.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but not all opinions are of equal value.

https://www.amazon.com/Chief-Culprit-Stalins-Grand-Design/dp/1591148065/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7AA64V10PRN2&keywords=the+chief+culprit+suvorov&qid=1697960654&sprefix=the+chief+culpri%2Caps%2C276&sr=8-1

[Texan77]

Russia is no longer hiding the fact they a Nazi organization.

Russia’s Wagner Group Rebrands to Name Used by Nazis in Africa
Longtime Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin ran the private military company until August, when he died in an apparent plane bombing.

 Wagner Group has adopted a new name in the Sahel region of West Africa that happens to be identical to the one used by the Nazis' African battalions during World War II.

[Steveboy]

Russia is no longer hiding the fact they a Nazi organization.

Russia’s Wagner Group Rebrands to Name Used by Nazis in Africa
Longtime Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin ran the private military company until August, when he died in an apparent plane bombing.

 Wagner Group has adopted a new name in the Sahel region of West Africa that happens to be identical to the one used by the Nazis' African battalions during World War II.

 

[AvHdB]

Russia is no longer hiding the fact they a Nazi organization.

Russia’s Wagner Group Rebrands to Name Used by Nazis in Africa
Longtime Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin ran the private military company until August, when he died in an apparent plane bombing.

 Wagner Group has adopted a new name in the Sahel region of West Africa that happens to be identical to the one used by the Nazis' African battalions during World War II.

 

It is symbolic of the double standard that many (all) have.

If Israel is blatantly racist and genocidal that is evil. If Russia is the same it elicits yawns or proclamations of justification. It is your double standards feel free to wallow in them.

[andrewfi]

Except that it would be hard to objectively consider Russia to be blatantly racist and genocidal. Israel, well, they seem bound to continue to learn the lessons of the Holocaust and apply them.

[rosco]

Except that it would be hard to objectively consider Russia to be blatantly racist and genocidal. Israel, well, they seem bound to continue to learn the lessons of the Holocaust and apply them.

Unfortunately you're again voicing reason, with those who are unable to understand it.

[B.B.]

Except that it would be hard to objectively consider Russia to be blatantly racist and genocidal. Israel, well, they seem bound to continue to learn the lessons of the Holocaust and apply them.

The Holodomor was genocide.  The Kazakh Famine - in which the Russians turned the Kazakhs into an ethnic minority in a country literally NAMED Kazakhstan - was genocide.  The Circassian genocide was a, well it's right in the name.

Given the rapes and extra-judicial executions, the deprivation of territory, etc. the Russo-Ukraine war is starting to look a bit familiar....

This is why so many former Warsaw Pact nations - ALL of them not named "Russia" basically - FLED to NATO the second they could.  Russia's record in this regard - and in Poland and Estonia - is not good.

B/B

[Bodine]

On the topic of Nazis, Jews, genocide…I stumbled upon a JRE archived podcast that discussed one of America’s greatest feat achieved (space exploration/moon landing) led by a band of human history’s most demonic team of mad scientists - Operation Paperclip.

An aside:

It is interesting to note, Argentina’s president Javier Milei, despite being a catholic, is a fervent follower of the Jewish faith. So much so he’d even declared he’ll turn Argentina as Israel’s most friendliest nation in the world. I say ‘interesting’ because thousands on Germany’s Nazis fled to Argentina post WW II. They’ve not only survived, they thrived to have sprung multi-generational offspring which some considers their elders as war time heroes.

Aside #2: piggybacking the comments on the video above, it reminded me of the short lived successful trend in the US back in the mid to late ‘80s, just prior to the internet, the $$/minute 800 nighttime chat. There would be these 800 numbers that charges you $$/minute and you can either chat with random strangers of males and females and have a conversation with a ‘chosen’ person simply by the sound of their voice; or, dial a number to chat with a female who has a voice that can make a thousand stallion nuts. That lady in the video has that type of voice.

[2tallbill]

It is interesting to note, Argentina’s president Javier Milei, despite being a catholic, is a fervent follower of the Jewish faith.

Milei, is the best Argentine president likely in their history and his policies are
an example of what we should do in the US.

Argentina’s Javier Milei Is Slashing Big Government
https://www.cato.org/blog/argentinas-javier-milei-slashing-big-government-we-can-do-same-america

[Contrarian]

It is interesting to note, Argentina’s president Javier Milei, despite being a catholic, is a fervent follower of the Jewish faith.

Milei, is the best Argentine president likely in their history and his policies are
an example of what we should do in the US.

Argentina’s Javier Milei Is Slashing Big Government
https://www.cato.org/blog/argentinas-javier-milei-slashing-big-government-we-can-do-same-america

I suspect he's actually mostly hot air. He is just playing his part in the charade.