Gentle Charm of Western Sanctions

[rosco]

Rosco my posts generally are far more accurate than yours and unlike most of yours have references. Do a check you'll find many other sources about this particular incident.

Rosco do you get your orders directly from the Kremlin troll farm or do they come through Andy? Imagine having Andy as your boss?

So I googled Ksenia Glotova and found nothing noteworthy or relevant. I then tried Ksenia Glotova and Russian soldiers, where I found literally a couple of back street sites writing propaganda and citing the Wall Street journal opinion piece as reference. I went straight to source and again found nothing confirming that this had actually happened and behind a pay wall nonetheless. 

No links, no screen shots or any evidence that this woman even exists or what she has claimed to have said, ever truthfully happened. On the outside, it appears to be a big fat lie for mouth breathers like you, to repeat without hesitation. Like Chinese whispers for retards who are nothing more than useful idiots.

The journalists who write this crap must piss themselves laughing at people like you!! This is basically what you and Tex have done since February and you both think it qualifies as accurate news or a credible reference, you're both idiots!!

And yet again, you're accusing someone who asks legitimate questions regarding an apparent lie, of being a Kremlin troll. How very fish eating, tree hugging angry left wing lesbian of you!! Now try cupping your hands whilst drinking in the BS, you'll swallow more that way.....

[Bodine]

<snip>...How very fish eating, tree hugging angry left wing lesbian of you!!.....<snipped>

 

Nothing wrong with eating fish so long as it's sustainable, wild and not from Norway or Westcoast's hometown, British Columbia... 

The Most Toxic Food on the Planet

[Texan77]

Russian tourists have problem in areas that are usually consider pro-Russian.

[WestCoast]

Rosco my posts generally are far more accurate than yours and unlike most of yours have references. Do a check you'll find many other sources about this particular incident.

Rosco do you get your orders directly from the Kremlin troll farm or do they come through Andy? Imagine having Andy as your boss?

So I googled Ksenia Glotova and found nothing noteworthy or relevant. I then tried Ksenia Glotova and Russian soldiers, where I found literally a couple of back street sites writing propaganda and citing the Wall Street journal opinion piece as reference. I went straight to source and again found nothing confirming that this had actually happened and behind a pay wall nonetheless. 

No links, no screen shots or any evidence that this woman even exists or what she has claimed to have said, ever truthfully happened. On the outside, it appears to be a big fat lie for mouth breathers like you, to repeat without hesitation. Like Chinese whispers for retards who are nothing more than useful idiots.

The journalists who write this crap must piss themselves laughing at people like you!! This is basically what you and Tex have done since February and you both think it qualifies as accurate news or a credible reference, you're both idiots!!

And yet again, you're accusing someone who asks legitimate questions regarding an apparent lie, of being a Kremlin troll. How very fish eating, tree hugging angry left wing lesbian of you!! Now try cupping your hands whilst drinking in the BS, you'll swallow more that way.....

If you read the article you'll see she posted on social media. Being that she lives in Russia I'd guess she posted on Russian social media. Unfortunately I don't read or speak Russian so can't help you with that.

Of course you're a Kremlin troll that's obvious. Most of the time you appear to be a drunk Kremlin troll. Since you and Andy on occasion troll in pairs I'm assuming you're both working for the same troll farm? Andy has to do something to supplement his income from whatever fast food place he works for. Did Andy get you started in working for a troll farm?

You post abundant insults. Trying to intimidate and insult people into not posting I'd guess. Considering I'm on a different continent I find your tactics amusing at best. 

Remember you're in the minority in the UK so next time you're drunk in the pub it's probably not a very good idea to declare your admiration for Putin and the fantastic job he's doing in Ukraine.

Don't understand what's wrong with eating fish? After all you live in the UK and fish and chips is one of the most popular dishes in the UK.

[Markje]

So I googled Ksenia Glotova and found nothing noteworthy or relevant. I then tried Ksenia Glotova and Russian soldiers, where I found literally a couple of back street sites writing propaganda and citing the Wall Street journal opinion piece as reference. I went straight to source and again found nothing confirming that this had actually happened and behind a pay wall nonetheless. 

I tried googling her name in Russian with and without soldiers, found nothing either.

[rosco]

If you read the article you'll see she posted on social media. Being that she lives in Russia I'd guess she posted on Russian social media. Unfortunately I don't read or speak Russian so can't help you with that.

How very lame of you. Like any of that gives credibility to your silly post. Perhaps you can link the social media post (it must be out there if it's true) and someone will translate for you? Go one better and show us who this woman is, so we can see if she's real and if so, what side of the political spectrum does she sit?

The devil is in the detail but nah lets just take it at face value and spread the word like a fool 

Of course you're a Kremlin troll that's obvious. Most of the time you appear to be a drunk Kremlin troll. Since you and Andy on occasion troll in pairs I'm assuming you're both working for the same troll farm? Andy has to do something to supplement his income from whatever fast food place he works for. Did Andy get you started in working for a troll farm?

Get help WC because if this is your retort each time someone sensible questions the propaganda you power post, you've already lost the debate. You're like a left wing looney on campus screeching fascist, at someone using facts to dismantle their socialist fantasy.

Remember you're in the minority in the UK so next time you're drunk in the pub it's probably not a very good idea to declare your admiration for Putin and the fantastic job he's doing in Ukraine.

It's comical that you label those who question the reality of the conflict and ask for you to expand on the editorial opinions you post (as fact) as Putinista's. The reality in the UK is that people are getting bored of the war and the real issues back home are becoming more important than virtue signalling. No doubt by xmas, when the economy is screwed and people are making the choice to eat or stay warm, they'll not give a toss about Ukraine.

[Faux Pas]

So I googled Ksenia Glotova and found nothing noteworthy or relevant. I then tried Ksenia Glotova and Russian soldiers, where I found literally a couple of back street sites writing propaganda and citing the Wall Street journal opinion piece as reference. I went straight to source and again found nothing confirming that this had actually happened and behind a pay wall nonetheless. 

No links, no screen shots or any evidence that this woman even exists or what she has claimed to have said, ever truthfully happened. On the outside, it appears to be a big fat lie for mouth breathers like you, to repeat without hesitation. Like Chinese whispers for retards who are nothing more than useful idiots.

The journalists who write this crap must piss themselves laughing at people like you!! This is basically what you and Tex have done since February and you both think it qualifies as accurate news or a credible reference, you're both idiots!!

And yet again, you're accusing someone who asks legitimate questions regarding an apparent lie, of being a Kremlin troll. How very fish eating, tree hugging angry left wing lesbian of you!! Now try cupping your hands whilst drinking in the BS, you'll swallow more that way.....

It's called "mockingbird media" and is a tool of the CIA, MI6, Mossad and various other "intelligence" agencies around the world. It's a closely controlled release of information, usually false with the one purpose of mind control and brain washing of the masses. It actually started in the 50's at the beginning of the cold war. Folks like WC and Tex are victims of this technique, they just do not know it. But they are not alone as roughly 75-80% of the worlds population are as well.

They are easy enough to spot as they cheer the narrative as fact and post links from the mass media as some kind of proof of their positions failing to understand that it is easier, requires no thought or brain power to do so. Never realizing lies based on and backed by more lies is, at the end of the day just more lies. All in an effort to "win an argument on the internet". These folks just want to win and find comfort in this. It's called "programming".

Help them if you can by shinning some light of truth, some thoughtful reasoned debate. If their mind still works most will seek more truth. Others will simply seek more validation from the mockingbird media and continue to spiral down more into their programming. Forget them, move on to others who might be saved

[WestCoast]

Since Putin has announced the draft of about 300K Russians for the war in Ukraine, Georgia’s Interior Ministry said over 53,000 Russians had entered the country since last week. Kazakhstan has taken in more than 98,000 Russians. IOW Georgia and Kazakhstan alone have take in more than 150K Russians.

Russians want to leave Russia so badly they're fleeing to Mongolia. At least 3K Russians have fled to Mongolia.


Vehicles line up to cross the Upper Lars checkpoint on the Russia-Georgia border on Tuesday. (Maxar Technologies via AP)

How many Russians have fled to other countries?


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/moscow-tries-draft-fleeing-russian-182413970.html
https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/26/ukraine-war-russians-flee-to-mongolia-after-putins-mobilisation-order
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-putin-military-draft-war-ukraine-photos-165633071.html

[Steveboy]

Typical Western media making a big fuss about a few hundred thousand Russian guys fleeing cos of the draft..headline news.. its terrible.. bla bla bla

Its nothing new and nothing to make world wide headlines .. unless its  Russia..

Ukrainian men have been fleeing in their hundreds of thousands.. not wanting to stay and fight for their homeland about 1 million of them.. It Never made much headlines never stirred up world outrage, sympathy and so on.. in fact most of that stuff was not even showed in the Western media..

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/09/ukraine-urged-to-take-humane-approach-as-men-try-to-flee-war

Going to be lots of persecution there if they ever return..


All this is nothing new.. even happens in the good old USA .. hundreds of thousands..they went every where,.. Draft doggers..

https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-70-000-men-who-fled-to-Canada-to-avoid-the-draft-called

[BC]

Steveboy,

The article you linked mentioned stated:

More than 1 million Ukrainians have fled to Poland since the start of the Russian invasion, including 142,300 on Sunday alone, the Polish border force has said.

I did not see a date on the webpage, but this was shortly after the war started.

That some men did leave, mostly with their families, is known. There can be valid reasons, for example, military exemption, the number of kids, kids with disabilities, and many directly from towns and cities that are now embattled and occupied.  Some, of course, did leave to evade service, but at first glance, your numbers may be off.  Remember UA was checking men at the border within a couple of days after the war started, and martial law was declared on 24 Feb.

Also, many men in Russia and Ukraine may be dual citizens or citizens of another country.

[Markje]

That some men did leave, mostly with their families, is known. There can be valid reasons, for example, military exemption, the number of kids, kids with disabilities, and many directly from towns and cities that are now embattled and occupied.  Some, of course, did leave to evade service, but at first glance, your numbers may be off.  Remember UA was checking men at the border within a couple of days after the war started, and martial law was declared on 24 Feb.

Also, many men in Russia and Ukraine may be dual citizens or citizens of another country.

Aha so:
Ukrainian men: Insert excuses here as to why they fled the country and not answered their Presidents call for fighting.
Russian men: Mass-desertion, outrage, the world is burning, etc.

Yeah got it.

[BC]

Yeah got it.

Markje,

I'm not making excuses for some men that did leave to avoid service.  Some will for whatever reason.  I only speak from direct experience helping UA families who came here.

The exceptions are listed in the martial law decree https://visitukraine.today/blog/102/exceptions-when-a-man-can-leave-ukraine-under-martial-law .

Do you support the number of men who left UA to avoid service number approximately 1 million, as Steveboy posted?  If so, how do you support this figure?

Figures from July for Italy:
https://www.interno.gov.it/it/notizie/profughi-dallucraina-150791-quelli-giunti-finora-italia#:~:text=Sono%20150.791%20le%20persone%20in,24.063%20uomini%20e%2046.783%20minori.

79.945 women, 24.063 men, and 46.783 children.

How many of these were families with three or more children?  How many single women?  How many had kids with disabilities?  How many single fathers?  I don't know, do you?

What I do know is that the figures above are from 22 July, and many have returned since.  Remember folks were registered when entering but may not be registered as leaving Italy if they decide to return to UA.  Here in my town, a total of 14 arrived.  Only two were men with their families, and the rest were mothers and kids.  All have returned except for one man with his family who qualifies for multiple exclusions under the martial law decree.

Of the total number of refugees in Italy, at least half, likely more, have already returned.  Many centers set up to house refugees are now empty and closed.

This is supported by the trend in other countries that accepted large numbers of refugees. Those that returned from Italy are likely included in the numbers for Poland as that was the prevalent route they took.



https://frontex.europa.eu/media-centre/news/news-release/ukraine-flows-across-external-borders-stabilise-over-summer-3gxpnO

Maybe you and Steveboy can get together and substantiate your opinions.

[WestCoast]

One million Russians have left Russia since Putin announced his call-up of 300K men to be drafted into the Russian military to serve in Ukraine. Georgia, Finland and Kazakhstan have announced they'll accept Russians fleeing from Russia. European countries have said they'll only accept Russians fleeing Russia on the condition they do not return to Russia. The numbers of Russians fleeing Russia appear to be increasing.

This massive loss of Russians if permanent could alter Russia's future demographics since most of the Russians fleeing Russia are young and it's been reported many are professionals.

[WestCoast]

A map that shows the population declines and growths for European countries by 2050. According to this map Russia will suffer about a 10% decline in its population however this projection is from 2017 and with the current exodus of people from Russia, Russia's population decline could be much worse.

While Russia's population decline is bad most of eastern Europe will suffer an even larger population decline including the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Germany and others. Why will Germany the economic powerhouse of Europe suffer a decline? 

The surprises in population growth that are really shocking to me are Spain, Norway and Sweden. What is happening in these countries that will allow their populations to increase so dramatically compared to their neighbors? 



https://factsmaps.com/projected-population-change-european-countries-2017-2050/

[AJ]

You guys do realize you are debating if a random.women, complianed on social.media,about some soldiers being drunk and loud after 10pm?
 
Versus it being a press conspiricy?

We need validation!!


Dear Lord lmao!

Its like fused into some womens  DNA to do that?
. No press conspiricies needed ,sorry.

Im sure i could find a woman in social media complaining about drunk u.s soldiers being loud near most any u.s base.
Or ukrainisn soldiers  on rotation back away from.the front and letting off steam.

Which you think.is more likely. ?
You chowderheads couldnt happen to find one random womans vk account ,
and her one post complaining about it, thatvshe very we.may have deleted or got grief from troop. supportive locals about?
  Or the press went all out and.made a fake story or fake  vk account to.post this big huge unusual story about some drunken  troops? 

Naw,  soldiers never drink and carry on


Want the vid of the russian soldier obviuosly sauced  ,picking up.the russian flag,staggering out in the open  then hit by artillery?
( the.entire reason they.were in the trench was incoming rounds )
Poor *snip*,but drunks often  get themselves in all.kinds of bad situations.


There is likely similiar of ukrainian troops if you dig thru telegram.


The sillyness is the press making anything.out of some random.complaint on vk.

Not that some woman complaining on social media is real.or not 🤣

The odds the random  incident occured and some rusdian karen* complianed are very high, likeky higher than the drunk soldiers were that night.

Elephants from.flies 

[WestCoast]

You guys do realize you are debating if a random.women, complianed on social.media,about some soldiers being drunk and loud after 10pm?
 
Versus it being a press conspiricy?

We need validation!!


Dear Lord lmao!

Its like fused into some womens  DNA to do that?
. No press conspiricies needed ,sorry.

Im sure i could find a woman in social media complaining about drunk u.s soldiers being loud near most any u.s base.
Or ukrainisn soldiers  on rotation back away from.the front and letting off steam.

Which you think.is more likely. ?
You chowderheads couldnt happen to find one random womans vk account ,
and her one post complaining about it, thatvshe very we.may have deleted or got grief from troop. supportive locals about?
  Or the press went all out and.made a fake story or fake  vk account to.post this big huge unusual story about some drunken  troops? 

Naw,  soldiers never drink and carry on


Want the vid of the russian soldier obviuosly sauced  ,picking up.the russian flag,staggering out in the open  then hit by artillery?
( the.entire reason they.were in the trench was incoming rounds )
Poor *snip*,but drunks often  get themselves in all.kinds of bad situations.


There is likely similiar of ukrainian troops if you dig thru telegram.


The sillyness is the press making anything.out of some random.complaint on vk.

Not that some woman complaining on social media is real.or not 🤣

The odds the random  incident occured and some rusdian karen* complianed are very high, likeky higher than the drunk soldiers were that night.

Elephants from.flies 

Perhaps the Ukrainian military could conduct a test and see if Russian soldiers will get drunk while fighting in Ukraine?

The Ukrainian military could deliberately leave a few cases of vodka in an area with Russian soldiers. Make sure the Russian soldiers can be tracked back to their camp if they take the vodka.

Conduct surveillance of the Russian soldiers' camp. If the Russian soldiers drink the vodka and get drunk then raid the camp and kill the Russian soldiers. Perhaps the Ukrainian military could poison the vodka? That way there's even less of a risk that Ukrainian soldiers will be killed.

If this proves successful, repeat until the Russian soldiers catch on.

[Wiz]

Manny

Are you that desperate to have a high post cound numbers and allow these gutter comments to spoil the picture of the board?

Well it is very clear that this board has been taken over by American and Jewish trolls as also certain other characters taking directions from certain secret organisations in USA.

Sorry but I am becoming bored with all the crap posted on the board lately. I also noticed certain quality posters……..gone on a long holiday….and poor Mark gets to answer all the shite posted by these trolls.

Personally decided to answer only serious posters…..like Mark, Andrew, Manny , etc.

Your opening the board to American politics and subjects has gone terrible wrong in my view! Sorry not very pleasant to come and read Daily ONLY crap!

Apologise for certain posts of mine but…….I had enough of the American crap posted here.!

 

[Steveboy]

Steveboy,

The article you linked mentioned stated:

More than 1 million Ukrainians have fled to Poland since the start of the Russian invasion, including 142,300 on Sunday alone, the Polish border force has said.

I did not see a date on the webpage, but this was shortly after the war started.

That some men did leave, mostly with their families, is known. There can be valid reasons, for example, military exemption, the number of kids, kids with disabilities, and many directly from towns and cities that are now embattled and occupied.  Some, of course, did leave to evade service, but at first glance, your numbers may be off.  Remember UA was checking men at the border within a couple of days after the war started, and martial law was declared on 24 Feb.

Also, many men in Russia and Ukraine may be dual citizens or citizens of another country.

My point is not really the amounts who left.. It would not matter if just 4 men from Russia escaped Russia via Mongolia .. that would make headline news alone ..


1 million from Ukraine ...ok let's say just 200,000 from Ukraine fled from draught.. did anyone see this in the news? Was there much coverage?...I never saw much..

So when it comes to the turn of Russia it really makes no difference how many did a runner.. even if there was just one old lada car packed with 8 Russians.. that is enough to make major headline..front page story.. "Russians fleeing Russia" 

If just one babushka was taking her son across the border to avoid call up.. just "1" It is enough to make world headline, front page story..

The Babushka would be crying, obviously she would have no food.. her son is her life and joy bla bla bla.. it would be twisted and turned ..

You have to laugh at all this shit really..

[B.B.]

The article you linked mentioned stated:

More than 1 million Ukrainians have fled to Poland since the start of the Russian invasion, including 142,300 on Sunday alone, the Polish border force has said.

Not surprising, under the circumstances.  Generally speaking, males under 18 and over 60 can leave.  Ex. A former gf of mine left some time ago with all the women in her family - her dad is 58 and stayed behind.

My driver from Warsaw lives in Lvov but can pass the border bc he is a father of 3 kids. My friend who is a dual US/UA citizen no longer can - he had been crossing on his US passport and bringing back non-lethal supplies.

[BC]

The Ukrainian military could deliberately leave a few cases of vodka in an area with Russian soldiers. Make sure the Russian soldiers can be tracked back to their camp if they take the vodka.

Would likely be considered chemical warfare, aside from being an item locals would likely want to get hold of as well.  So bottom line indiscriminate chemical warfare.

[BC]

1 million from Ukraine ...ok let's say just 200,000 from Ukraine fled from draught.. did anyone see this in the news? Was there much coverage?...I never saw much..

It was on the news all day long, in just about every country, along with reporting martial law restrictions barring exit for those with exemptions.

Also reports exist of men exiting trying to circumvent the restrictions.  some examples:

https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukrainian-men-try-to-get-around-the-ban-to-leave-the-country/a-62529639
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraines-ban-on-adult-men-leaving-the-country-faces-growing-legal/

I agree priority for news outlets was reporting the start of the war and not those trying to avoid service being background noise, but doubt any corrupt intent of avoiding the subject.  After all, everything can't be printed with big headlines on page 1.

Now months later, the reaction to mobilization with folks and many men attempting to leave is another context.  Yes RU has been declared the faulty party and reporting will focus on them.

Example
https://restofworld.org/2022/forged-documents-russians-telegram-war-ukraine/

Is this information incorrect?

I don't see nefarious conduct by media in general.  There are enough news outlets to fit any slant you want to hear.  What I do see is RU-oriented propaganda missing its mark and becoming less effective, and folks complaining about media.

 

[Markje]

Today in Dutch news:

The Dutch gov't is shocked that Inflation hit a 50-year high of 17.1%.

The people of Netherlands are shocked the Gov't was blindsided by this fact as they all foresaw this in Februari when sanctions were announced.

Pitchforks and torches will become big again, time to buy stock.



Mark.

[Markje]

meanwhile, china's chip-making industry is alive and kicking. Home-grown chips now rival 3-year-old-intel/amd chips.

https://wccftech.com/china-loongson-3a6000-cpu-review-shows-better-ipc-intel-10th-gen-amd-zen-2-chips/