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Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« on: February 28, 2022, 12:41:45 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2022, 12:51:36 PM »
There is a fair amount of truth and reality in the opinion of Ian. I have noted before Ukraine will become the Kremlin’s Afghanistan #2.

Some Putin apologists will blame NATO or the US, perhaps the Jewish State, but in fact it is the resolve of Ukraine citizens.

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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2022, 01:08:00 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
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I hope your family is ok in Ukraine
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2022, 01:12:16 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
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Well said Chris and I think very true.

I hope your family is ok in Ukraine

Thanks Trevor, all safe for now, hope yours are too. Like many with family in Ukraine, we are sending medicines, clothing, bedding and money over there not just for our family but in general, so doing what we can.

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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2022, 01:20:49 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
Dr Ian Kearns (Слава Україні)

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Well said Chris and I think very true.

I hope your family is ok in Ukraine

Thanks Trevor, all safe for now, hope yours are too. Like many with family in Ukraine, we are sending medicines, clothing, bedding and money over there not just for our family but in general, so doing what we can.
Us as well, doing what we can from here. With prayers as well.
I spoke to one of Aliona's best friends today, Husband at war,
shes is taking care of son and mother, along with two other families.

She said " We are tuff, we will not give up, no matter what"
Amazing courage considering she spent the night with her city being bombed.
There is nothing permanent except change.

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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2022, 01:26:42 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
Dr Ian Kearns (Слава Україні)

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Well said Chris and I think very true.

I hope your family is ok in Ukraine

Thanks Trevor, all safe for now, hope yours are too. Like many with family in Ukraine, we are sending medicines, clothing, bedding and money over there not just for our family but in general, so doing what we can.
Us as well, doing what we can from here. With prayers as well.
I spoke to one of Aliona's best friends today, Husband at war,
shes is taking care of son and mother, along with two other families.

She said " We are tuff, we will not give up, no matter what"
Amazing courage considering she spent the night with her city being bombed.

Good to hear they are OK. Yes, Putin has made a major miscalculation, the Ukrainian people will not be giving in anytime soon. In fact from what you see in the news and videos on the net, its the opposite, Russians heading home because they are just lost or out of diesel, supplies etc.
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2022, 03:42:13 PM »
something else that has begun to happen, Is Ukrainians From all over the world are going home to fight.
Also new to Ukraine, Ukrainian Foreign  legion. Fighters from other countries who are not Ukrainian
Heading there to fight. Seen this in Canada.

They are also taking full military gear with them, these are professional soldiers.

Russia may have far superior capabilities, but they made a few key mistakes.
Bad planning and thinking it would be easy, more important how well Ukraine military were prepared.
Most important the will of the Ukrainian People.

Regardless of end results, Russia will never control Ukraine. Putin is done.
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2022, 04:02:40 PM »

A few days into the gravest crisis in Euro-Atlantic security in decades, where are we tonight? Some observations:

The Russian military has under-performed and the plan for a lightning decapitation of the Ukrainian leadership has failed.

The Ukrainian people, not just the military, are going to fight. Even if Kyiv falls, it is now certain that there will be a long insurgency, supported with western money and weapons.

Putin is already weakened, probably fatally, and a palace coup is no longer impossible.

In the space of a few days, he shredded a decade's worth of Russian attempts to sow discord among Europeans and delivered near unprecedented levels of unity. He has ensured what he always said his policy was intended to avoid, namely a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe.

He has finally wrenched Germany out of the post-WW2 legacy of reluctance to treat military power and defence seriously and has set it on a course to be the biggest spender on defence in Europe. He has also made it more likely that Sweden and Finland will choose to join NATO.

At home, Putin has always sold his approach as one that saved Russia from economic chaos and delivered stability. The coming week will see the Ruble in free-fall and his reputation for solid economic management destroyed.

 Russia itself is therefore weaker now that it was four days ago. It is less feared than it was in a Europe that has itself visibly grown in strategic resolve and confidence. Russia is isolated and will be forced into a dependent position, not a partnership, viz a viz China.

This all makes the period immediately ahead the most dangerous in international affairs in decades. Putin is boxed-in. He has no obvious way of saving face and may therefore choose to press on brutally in Ukraine while getting tougher on opposition at home.

But even this will not deliver success both because of the determination of the Ukrainians to fight and the determination of the West to support them. The longer the war goes on, the more elements of the military and economic elite, and the public, will turn against him.

This is where the nuclear sabre rattling of today comes from. He has to seek to intimidate Ukraine and the West by threatening to do the unthinkable because he has no other options left. The question for the rest of us is how best to handle a man in that position.

What makes international crises so difficult to manage is that they often force policy-makers to navigate objectives in tension with one another. In this case, we need to defeat Putin in this confrontation but find a way of doing so that does not tip us over the nuclear brink.

In addition to the extraordinary bravery shown, and all the support offered so far, both of which will need to be maintained for as long as it takes, we now need to add two other elements to policy. First, direct NATO-Russia military communication to avoid escalation by accident.

Second, creative thinking about something that could serve as a face saving way out for Putin while not giving anything of fundamental importance to Ukraine or the West away. In the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 this was a secret deal to remove some US missiles from Turkey.

We may need something like this, and soon. Krushchev survived for a short period after Cuba, then he was ditched. We need to deny Putin victory today while avoiding a direct NATO-Russia military confrontation, and give him just enough to let him face his fate another day, or as we say in the UK, give him enough rope to hang himself.

 
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Yes.  Putin would have been far more effective had he cosied up more to Germany and neutralized them politically.  There was always a divide re Russia between Germany and France.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2022, 04:25:49 PM »
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OK. Yes, Putin has made a major miscalculation, the Ukrainian people will not be giving in anytime soon. In fact from what you see in the news and videos on the net, its the opposite, Russians heading home because they are just lost or out of diesel, supplies etc

I think there is a ton of misinformation on both sides so  im not certain any real numbers of Russian troops are doing so.

That said, I do think there are some !
I also think there are a few that view their current situation and thier options.

This type of urban confrontation without out right  full air support  is brutal and heavily favors the.defendents. so far they have lacked full air support.
 
Their options are to follow orders and fight Ukrainians (and there is a  chance to die there )
Or refuse to fight and face prison.
Or
Maybe  get lost*  meander  around until.you run out of fuel.and supplies and surrender, unlikely  to face dire consequence.

Just a thought. .... of what might be part of what is going down to some degree.

Glad to hear your family is OK.

We havnt heard from.ours in a couple of days


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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2022, 05:15:34 PM »
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OK. Yes, Putin has made a major miscalculation, the Ukrainian people will not be giving in anytime soon. In fact from what you see in the news and videos on the net, its the opposite, Russians heading home because they are just lost or out of diesel, supplies etc

I think there is a ton of misinformation on both sides so  im not certain any real numbers of Russian troops are doing so.

That said, I do think there are some !
I also think there are a few that view their current situation and thier options.

This type of urban confrontation without out right  full air support  is brutal and heavily favors the.defendents. so far they have lacked full air support.
 
Their options are to follow orders and fight Ukrainians (and there is a  chance to die there )
Or refuse to fight and face prison.
Or
Maybe  get lost*  meander  around until.you run out of fuel.and supplies and surrender, unlikely  to face dire consequence.

Just a thought. .... of what might be part of what is going down to some degree.

Glad to hear your family is OK.

We havnt heard from.ours in a couple of days

AJ, where is your family located?
     I know internet has been bad, on and off.
     Some areas now without power, so no way to charge devices.
    Hopefully they are ok.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2022, 06:58:17 PM »
Mil/sil in Nikolaev.

Other  both direct ,and inlaws
in several villages  more central
in Cherkasy oblast. Pastryske, Dibrivka,etc

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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2022, 08:03:41 PM »
This is something of a guess, but I suspect every minute, hour and day that Ukraine can survive is a loss for V. Putin and infact the Russian psyche.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2022, 09:11:47 PM »
Mil/sil in Nikolaev.

Other  both direct ,and inlaws
in several villages  more central
in Cherkasy oblast. Pastryske, Dibrivka,etc

We know Nikolaev is in tough place,
hopefully ok, Aliona's is From Cherkassy
Heavy bombing again tonight, so far
everyone is ok.
I hope you family is ok, best wishes to you and your wife.
We are thinking of you and praying.
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2022, 01:08:23 AM »
This is something of a guess, but I suspect every minute, hour and day that Ukraine can survive is a loss for V. Putin and infact the Russian psyche.

Putin expected this to be all over in 3 days, we are now at day 5/6, for every day this goes on it’s a political victory for Ukraine.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2022, 01:13:10 AM »
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OK. Yes, Putin has made a major miscalculation, the Ukrainian people will not be giving in anytime soon. In fact from what you see in the news and videos on the net, its the opposite, Russians heading home because they are just lost or out of diesel, supplies etc

I think there is a ton of misinformation on both sides so  im not certain any real numbers of Russian troops are doing so.

That said, I do think there are some !
I also think there are a few that view their current situation and thier options.

This type of urban confrontation without out right  full air support  is brutal and heavily favors the.defendents. so far they have lacked full air support.
 
Their options are to follow orders and fight Ukrainians (and there is a  chance to die there )
Or refuse to fight and face prison.
Or
Maybe  get lost*  meander  around until.you run out of fuel.and supplies and surrender, unlikely  to face dire consequence.

Just a thought. .... of what might be part of what is going down to some degree.

Glad to hear your family is OK.

We havnt heard from.ours in a couple of days

Yes lots of misinformation on both sides, no one is sure of any numbers really, but one thing about this war is that it is being played out in front of the Worlds media, on TV, the internet etc, so in some respects you can see some things for yourself.

Hope your family remain safe AJ.
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2022, 03:31:49 AM »
Looks like a very bad night and rough day ahead.
Many report and photos of residential buildings bombed.
Many small cities being hit hard.

Going to be a long day
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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2022, 04:15:14 AM »
This is something of a guess, but I suspect every minute, hour and day that Ukraine can survive is a loss for V. Putin and infact the Russian psyche.

Putin expected this to be all over in 3 days, we are now at day 5/6, for every day this goes on it’s a political victory for Ukraine.

Chris, Don't you think that Putin before ordering any action against the government of Ukraine has already discussed with his Mentor, Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin, (a Russian philosopher, professor and political analyst) varius plans IF, IF, IF, and IF as also with the Minister of  Defence Sergey Shoygu and other trusted people, secret service etc what to do next if one part of the plan goes wrong?

Do you really think that Putin doesnt' know the movements and where abouts and contacts of the Jew President Volodymyr Zelenskyy?

How do we know that the Russians don't listen to his communications and he can move around the country freely?

My view is that he wants to cause as little damage to cities and towns as possible, arrest Zelenskyy if necessary and replace him with one of his people, so Kiev Odessa etc. except Harkiv..... are almost fully factional, with elctricity, water, TV and communication, still all working normaly ans the other day reported that  Greek person spoke to a radio in Greece who said he moves easily and can also shop.

In another thread I posted a link to a live camera on Top of the Ukraina Hotel.........in Maidan Square and noticed cars running freely.

I bet they knew what the reaction would be from USA and their European servant countruies to cut Russia from teh SWIFT system, so they have ready their own system SPFS. The system only works within Russia, but there are plans to integrate the network with the China-based CPFS and so on and on . I think that is the result of the computer system created by their PM M.Mishustin that is connecting all the banks in Russia now.

On the other hand can we trust the information coming out of Ukraine......NOW, of course NOT! The Majority of it is fake news....... like the showed a photo from the Paris Metro and said was from Kiev.  The fake news factory is in full production.

If the Russians wanted to destroy Ukraine.... they could have done so in less than 72 hours. The only nation who has used Carpet Bombing was America, in every country they have invaded.

Now we hear a very large number of varius vechicles tanks etc......going on the direction to Kiev...... and soon we will know what has taken place when they will reach and try to take complete control of Kiev or better Kyiv not to upset the Zionist trolls!

Hope all Ok with the Ukrainian girls.

Let's wait and see.........what happens.




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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2022, 05:18:46 AM »
This is something of a guess, but I suspect every minute, hour and day that Ukraine can survive is a loss for V. Putin and infact the Russian psyche.

Putin expected this to be all over in 3 days, we are now at day 5/6, for every day this goes on it’s a political victory for Ukraine.
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Chris, Don't you think that Putin before ordering any action against the government of Ukraine has already discussed with his Mentor, Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin, (a Russian philosopher, professor and political analyst) varius plans IF, IF, IF, and IF as also with the Minister of  Defence Sergey Shoygu and other trusted people, secret service etc what to do next if one part of the plan goes wrong?

I have no idea and to be honest I don't care whose advice he has taken, the instruction to invade Ukraine came from Putin, no one else. It he who has blood on his hands and his armies that are now committing war crimes.

Do you really think that Putin doesnt' know the movements and where abouts and contacts of the Jew President Volodymyr Zelenskyy?

I would say most people know where Zelensky is, Kiyv last time I heard, so what!


My view is that he wants to cause as little damage to cities and towns as possible, arrest Zelenskyy if necessary and replace him with one of his people, so Kiev Odessa etc. except Harkiv..... are almost fully factional, with elctricity, water, TV and communication, still all working normaly ans the other day reported that  Greek person spoke to a radio in Greece who said he moves easily and can also shop.

Well he is doing as much as he can to prove you wrong and why is it Putins choice who leads Ukraine, its nothing to do with him.



On the other hand can we trust the information coming out of Ukraine......NOW, of course NOT! The Majority of it is fake news....... like the showed a photo from the Paris Metro and said was from Kiev.  The fake news factory is in full production.

There is fake news on both sides, but on the other hand we see live videos, are they fake too?



Hope all Ok with the Ukrainian girls.


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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2022, 12:33:07 PM »
This is a beautiful slim 27 yo 5'9" hard body "9" woman in Kiev - inspirational actually - will make some Ukrainian Warrior who survives this a true ride or die baby momma...

Hi all! Yes, I am from Ukraine, and we are at war now. I used to read about the war only in history books. But one day the quiet life changed. It's terrible to go to bed with a lot of anxiety and fear that a bomb will fly into my house. I want to thank everyone who offers me to leave Ukraine and take me into their home. All Ukrainians feel great support from the whole world. But I stay in Ukraine, my family is here, I want to help my army to resist the enemy in any way. I do not want one day to return to my country where Putin will be president. Thanks for your support!

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Re: Glory to Ukraine (Слава Україні!)
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2022, 01:16:04 PM »
This is translation to English of the first link.

https://www.aol.com/zelensky-end-world-arrived-180049557.html
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