Russian Losses

[Dogsoldier]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

[Texan77]

My girlfriend is now out of Ukraine. They managed to book a tour trip to Egypt. I got a note from them from Poland getting ready to board plane. They got her eighteen-year-old son out. I do not know how.

Do you have any chance to bring them to the US?
It would be life saving for her 18 yo son.

I am trying. I have lost touch with them for a day now. I would have not taken the charter flight Poland to Egypt and instead buy a ticket to Mexico.

I just had a Mexican friend call me while I was writing this. He says he will put me in touch with someone that will explain the whole process to me.

[Orchid]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

Formally, it is a Russian/Ukrainian war.
Taking in consideration how close two nations are, it is a civil war.

[Orchid]

My girlfriend is now out of Ukraine. They managed to book a tour trip to Egypt. I got a note from them from Poland getting ready to board plane. They got her eighteen-year-old son out. I do not know how.

Do you have any chance to bring them to the US?
It would be life saving for her 18 yo son.

I am trying. I have lost touch with them for a day now. I would have not taken the charter flight Poland to Egypt and instead buy a ticket to Mexico.

I just had a Mexican friend call me while I was writing this. He says he will put me in touch with someone that will explain the whole process to me.

Mexico is a good option.

[Dogsoldier]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

Formally, it is a Russian/Ukrainian war.
Taking in consideration how close two nations are, it is a civil war.

You contradict your earlier statement: This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.

[Orchid]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

Formally, it is a Russian/Ukrainian war.
Taking in consideration how close two nations are, it is a civil war.

You contradict your earlier statement: This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.

Stop being ridiculous. I meant that Ukraine use civilians for war and Russia use only army.

[Texan77]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

[Gipsy]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

[Orchid]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

Yes, fake news.

[Dogsoldier]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

Formally, it is a Russian/Ukrainian war.
Taking in consideration how close two nations are, it is a civil war.

You contradict your earlier statement: This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.

Stop being ridiculous. I meant that Ukraine use civilians for war and Russia use only army.

I’m not the one writing ridiculous statements. 🤣

And Ukraine is using its army.
But under its existential threat from the northern bully boy neighbour is entirely justified in using every means at its disposal to fight back.

[Orchid]

I’m not the one writing ridiculous statements. 🤣

Fully agreed. The entire situation is rediculous. 

[AvHdB]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

Yes, fake news.

It is in fact the Montreux Convention. In the past Turkey causing considerable friction (mostly towards the USSR & Russia) has either banned or not permitted naval vessels from transiting the Bosphorus. The same occurred during the 2nd World War with ships of the Axis. Romania an original signatory was banned from the Black Sea during this period.

Having noted the above I doubt that Turkey would close the Bosphorus to Russian vessels presently.

[Gipsy]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

Yes, fake news.

It is in fact the Montreux Convention. In the past Turkey causing considerable friction (mostly towards the USSR & Russia) has either banned or not permitted naval vessels from transiting the Bosphorus. The same occurred during the 2nd World War with ships of the Axis. Romania an original signatory was banned from the Black Sea during this period.

Having noted the above I doubt that Turkey would close the Bosphorus to Russian vessels presently.

Thankyou for the correction,
Even if Turkey wished to stop Russian warships leaving the Black sea, which they can, they are obliged to allow Russian warships returning to home soil through...

[AvHdB]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

Yes, fake news.

It is in fact the Montreux Convention. In the past Turkey causing considerable friction (mostly towards the USSR & Russia) has either banned or not permitted naval vessels from transiting the Bosphorus. The same occurred during the 2nd World War with ships of the Axis. Romania an original signatory was banned from the Black Sea during this period.

Having noted the above I doubt that Turkey would close the Bosphorus to Russian vessels presently.

Thankyou for the correction,
Even if Turkey wished to stop Russian warships leaving the Black sea, which they can, they are obliged to allow Russian warships returning to home soil through...

The below article gives some more information.

https://www.reuters.com/world/turkey-cannot-stop-russian-warships-accessing-black-sea-says-foreign-minister-2022-02-25/

[Gipsy]

Turkey closes off the black to Russian Navy ships.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3413809-turkey-bans-passage-of-russian-warships-to-black-sea-zelensky.html

Fake news, sorry...
Read the Montreux treaty ..

Yes, fake news.

It is in fact the Montreux Convention. In the past Turkey causing considerable friction (mostly towards the USSR & Russia) has either banned or not permitted naval vessels from transiting the Bosphorus. The same occurred during the 2nd World War with ships of the Axis. Romania an original signatory was banned from the Black Sea during this period.

Having noted the above I doubt that Turkey would close the Bosphorus to Russian vessels presently.

Thankyou for the correction,
Even if Turkey wished to stop Russian warships leaving the Black sea, which they can, they are obliged to allow Russian warships returning to home soil through...

The below article gives some more information.

https://www.reuters.com/world/turkey-cannot-stop-russian-warships-accessing-black-sea-says-foreign-minister-2022-02-25/

[Markje]

Fortunately the Russians have made studious efforts not to close communications - mobile, Internet, radio and TV are all fully functional in Ukraine. So we can see what is happening for ourselves as citizens capture events and share them. For themselves. No massacres, no great numbers of dead and wounded on either side.

I'm curious  why you think comunnications have not been specifically targeted.
Its a tad odd not to be the first thing to take out.

Indeed it is odd that most of us present can communicate to loved ones or friends in Ukraine.

This is thanks to Elon Musk and his Starlink.


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?s=20&t=GTlSVMvlIpc6ArVFKM0Q1A

Self advertising. Starlink can help maybe but not destroying major tech/comms systems are far more effective than that

[Contrarian]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

With the greatest of respect you are completely wrong.
Ukraine is at war with Russia who launched an unprovoked and manufactured aggression in Ukraine.
Ukraine is coalescing around fighting a common enemy and is as united as never before, leaving aside the separatist enclaves in the Donbas, who are a minority being run out of Russia.
There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

Clear and concise. There is no civil war in Ukraine, just war with Russia.

That has always been the simple truth. Russia only tries to confuse people with lies but in the end the truth will out.

[andrewfi]

AJ, it is clear that the Russians are making studious efforts to avoid problems for the civilian population. To that end communications and other utilities have been avoided as targets.

There's a secondary benefit in that it enables people to see and share events. Thus, the fantasy propaganda about massacres, piles of dead bodies, 'brave' resistance heroes and the like can be seen to be false.

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Dumbass alert: Contrarian, I am eager to learn. How many Starlink dishes have been sold in Ukraine? Please tell us about the hundreds of thousands of installations that are currently enabling brave citizen journalists across Ukraine to communicate with the world.

Advertisers must love you, Contrarian, the embodiment of the credulous American.

[AJ]

AJ, it is clear that the Russians are making studious efforts to avoid problems for the civilian population. To that end communications and other utilities have been avoided as targets.

There's a secondary benefit in that it enables people to see and share events. Thus, the fantasy propaganda about massacres, piles of dead bodies, 'brave' resistance heroes and the like can be seen to be false.

---
Dumbass alert: Contrarian, I am eager to learn. How many Starlink dishes have been sold in Ukraine? Please tell us about the hundreds of thousands of installations that are currently enabling brave citizen journalists across Ukraine to communicate with the world.

Advertisers must love you, Contrarian, the embodiment of the credulous American.

Thanks for your thoughts.
They certainly have avoided those targets,which typically would be  some of the first to disable.

My only assumption was they felt they would roll in and do a regime  change quickly and back out  fairly quickly.
Less  civil disruption ,and shorter lenght of that disruption of daily lives would typically make the transition more tolerated.


I'm certain it wasn't so a Ukrainian civilian could show a russian tank crew waiting for diesel.

Still seems the plan,although slower than they anticipated.

I'll not condone the foolishness of any superpower feeling they have the right to do such,simply because they can.Yes that includes usa meddling there,and elsewhere. 

Russia has had  nuclear capable missles in Kaliningrad  oblast since 2018 at least.Likely much longer.
They can cry a river on the world stage about feeling threatened*,while hanging on tightly to their own little military industrial island within NATO.
Poor poor Vladimir doesn't sleep well at night.

[NS1]

Not All Russian military are trying avoid civilian targets,
A girl was killed yesterday in a hospital from Russian fire.

Today, Russian army is shooting at Ambulance's
Also shot women and killed in car with husband in baby trying to leave.

Reports Putin threatened US with use of Nuclear weapons ( not sure under what prefix)

[Manny]

Not All Russian military are trying avoid civilian targets,
A girl was killed yesterday in a hospital from Russian fire.

Today, Russian army is shooting at Ambulance's
Also shot women and killed in car with husband in baby trying to leave.

Reports Putin threatened US with use of Nuclear weapons ( not sure under what prefix)

Where do you get this stuff from? CNN, Yahoo or some similar outlet?

[Texan77]

Russian just put its nuclear arsenal on high alert because he is angry over sanctions. All air traffic between EU and Russia is being stop as a sanction. Greece is calling the Russian ambassador because 6 of its citizens were killed living in an area where there were no Ukraine military. Other apartments and residential buildings have been hit for no apparent military reason. If it was the USA doing the bombing Manny would see it completely differently. Could you imagine what the news would look like in RT news if it was us who started a war in Europe.

[Manny]

Other apartments and residential buildings have been hit for no apparent military reason.

Because they are hiding with heavy-duty military equipment among private apartment blocks. In other words, using human shields.

[NS1]

Other apartments and residential buildings have been hit for no apparent military reason.

Because they are hiding with heavy-duty military equipment among private apartment blocks. In other words, using human shields.

As Andrew would say, you have proof of this or links showing us this?
Or are you guessing?

All the pics / video I have seen has not shown any mililtary inside buildings.
on the ground beside or behind walls yes, inside no.

Manny with Russian specail forces moving around Kiev do you expect
Ukrainian people or forces to stand in middle of street?

How about them shooting ambulance or hospitals?

[Markje]

Other apartments and residential buildings have been hit for no apparent military reason.

Because they are hiding with heavy-duty military equipment among private apartment blocks. In other words, using human shields.

As Andrew would say, you have proof of this or links showing us this?
Or are you guessing?

All the pics / video I have seen has not shown any mililtary inside buildings.
on the ground beside or behind walls yes, inside no.

Manny with Russian specail forces moving around Kiev do you expect
Ukrainian people or forces to stand in middle of street?

How about them shooting ambulance or hospitals?

Oh come on, before the 24th there were many vids of ukrainians with weaponry telling Russia to bring it on.

Asking for proof now is very weak