Russian Losses

[Manny]

2800 Russian troops killed just today.

You realise this is utter nonsense, right? No, I don't think you do. All these crazy numbers of losses are coming out of "Free Europe" this or "Independent" that, which are all US controlled propaganda sites. The real number is declared about 200 IIRC.

All these tales of downed IL aircraft with hundreds on and similar stories are fake news. The Sun ran a front page of an injured woman. The trouble is, she was also injured four years ago in other newspapers. 

Look up the name Bernie Gores (or search #berniegores on Twitter). That brave journalist has died twice already, once in Syria a few years ago and once in Ukraine the other day. CNN are reusing the same photo and name of mythical dead people.

All British media showed what was a "Russian tank" running over a car with a guy inside yesterday. Except it was a Ukrainian Strela 10 surface-to-air missile unit.

The fake news media is in overdrive. You cant really believe anything you read on the MSM now. They're all lying their arses off to keep pushing the narrative.

[andrewfi]

There are perhaps 20,000 Russian personnel in Ukraine right now.

If the fantasies of losses were true then the operation would already be over. With such a level of losses the force would have lost its fighting ability.

Fortunately the Russians have made studious efforts not to close communications - mobile, Internet, radio and TV are all fully functional in Ukraine. So we can see what is happening for ourselves as citizens capture events and share them. For themselves. No massacres, no great numbers of dead and wounded on either side.

Of course there's the almost customary faked up video with footage from other countries, other times and from video games. But that's not real and is only believed by the gullible.

[NS1]

There were estimated 150,000 to 200,000 troops on the Border.
Putin has said90% of those troops are in Ukraine.

[andrewfi]

NS1, I'd be interested to see a link to a quotation from Putin saying that because it is not what other sources have been saying nor is it commensurate with their activity.

But always keen to learn from an expert.

[NS1]

NS1, I'd be interested to see a link to a quotation from Putin saying that because it is not what other sources have been saying nor is it commensurate with their activity.

But always keen to learn from an expert.

one of his Press conferences  on day 2, he was bragging.

[andrewfi]

NS1, I'd be interested to see a link to a quotation from Putin saying that because it is not what other sources have been saying nor is it commensurate with their activity.

But always keen to learn from an expert.

one of his Press conferences  on day 2, he was bragging.

Please share the link, I did not see such a thing, so I am, as noted above happy to learn from an expert.

It seems to me that you may have confused yourself over the numbers of personnel around Ukraine rather than within Ukraine.

I have noticed that when one teaches one at the same time tends to learn. So, please teach me.

[Manny]

There are perhaps 20,000 Russian personnel in Ukraine right now.

There were estimated 150,000 to 200,000 troops on the Border.

The ASB Military I linked elsewhere seems to think it's 69,000 in there and many still in Russia. I'm not sure if that includes the Chechens that have just arrived.

Its probably hard to know.

[Texan77]

Russia lost an armored convoyed near Kiev.

Ukraine blows himself up to slow down Russian convoy.

Russian military base hit inside Russia.

[2tallbill]

The fake news media is in overdrive. You cant really believe anything you read on the MSM now. They're all lying their arses off to keep pushing the narrative.

try a little healthy scepticism.

100% agree.

TASS, RT and Pravda are not better. They just have a different narrative/agenda.

Read all the above and then make your best decision realizing that it's
really difficult to determine what is truth and what is fiction.

DeNazification? That's pure propaganda, fake news, focused grouped babel. 

[2tallbill]

The ASB Military I linked elsewhere seems to think it's 69,000 in there and many still in Russia. I'm not sure if that includes the Chechens that have just arrived.

Its probably hard to know.

There is more than one front/border. It's sorta like how many were at a Trump
rally, it depends on who you ask.

[Contrarian]

The fake news media is in overdrive. You cant really believe anything you read on the MSM now. They're all lying their arses off to keep pushing the narrative.

try a little healthy scepticism.

100% agree.

TASS, RT and Pravda are not better. They just have a different narrative/agenda.

Read all the above and then make your best decision realizing that it's
really difficult to determine what is truth and what is fiction.

DeNazification? That's pure propaganda, fake news, focused grouped babel.

It's always been a #fakenarrative in the run up for stealing a country, all of their businesses and financial assets.

Similar to when the Soviets called small farmers in Ukraine kulaks so that they could steal their farms and starve millions of Ukrainians.

[NS1]

Manny, I heard same on Radio today. approx 70 thousand Russian troops in Ukraine.
I suspect Putins claims were more just trying to scare people.

Its been said Russian controls all air space, not sure if true.
MSNBC has people in Ukraine and Moscow, decent live reports.
But numbers of any kind, would be hard to confirm.

[NS1]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

[Markje]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

+1

I have friends in ukraine and family in crimea. This situation is horriblt

[Lord of the Dance]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

[Orchid]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

+1

I have friends in ukraine and family in crimea. This situation is horriblt

+1

No one man age 18-60 cannot leave Ukraine at this time.

[Orchid]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

[Texan77]

Germany will start to send aid to Ukraine.

My girlfriend is now out of Ukraine. They managed to book a tour trip to Egypt. I got a note from them from Poland getting ready to board plane. They got her eighteen-year-old son out. I do not know how.


Russian cargo ship seized by French.

[Texan77]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-killed-3-500-russians-ex-president-says-amid-fierce-Kiev-battles/ar-AAUlDsS?ocid=msedgntp

More than 3,500 Russian soldiers have been killed since the invasion of Ukraine began earlier this week, according to the Ukrainian military.

Russia has also lost 14 airplanes,
eight helicopters,
102 tanks,
536 armed vehicles,
15 heavy machine guns and
one BUK missile since the invasion began, Ukraine's military said.

[AJ]

I would like to remind folks here, that some of us are Friends
Regardless of your polictical opinions many of us here have
Family and Friends in Ukraine.

This might be time for a little support, rather than hoping Putin
destroys Ukraine and many people there.

For me, my number one concern is the support of just normal
people who did not ask for or want this. Family and friends
who now are trying to stay alive and just manage the basics,
food and shelter.

Aliona's sons, best friends were sent to fight, they both have families
with babies.

you may have political opinions, this might not be the best time
praying for these people to make it is more important.

Very tragic indeed.

To see Russia and Ukraine in conflict reminds me of the north and south during our American civil war... brothers fighting brothers. It's not fair to anyone and I pray it all ends as soon as possible.

Some would say that all is fair in love and war. Still others would say in war, it's not who's right, but who's left.

You are correct. This war is very close to a civil war on the Ukrainian side.
It is well organized on Russian side.
That’s why it’s better if nuclear objects are under Russian control.

Nuclear objects were removed from Ukraine and returned back to Russia under the agreement that Russia would recognize Ukrainian independence and thier international border.
How's that working out?


As far as Ukrainian civil war,
there is a small degre of that in one region, the amount of separatists in the general ukrainian population is hardly enough to constitute a ukrainian civil war.
This is a war between Russia and Ukraine.

We see almost as many people in Russia protesting this war vs true separatists in Donbass.

[AJ]

There are perhaps 20,000 Russian personnel in Ukraine right now.

If the fantasies of losses were true then the operation would already be over. With such a level of losses the force would have lost its fighting ability.

Fortunately the Russians have made studious efforts not to close communications - mobile, Internet, radio and TV are all fully functional in Ukraine. So we can see what is happening for ourselves as citizens capture events and share them. For themselves. No massacres, no great numbers of dead and wounded on either side.

Of course there's the almost customary faked up video with footage from other countries, other times and from video games. But that's not real and is only believed by the gullible.

Fully agree.

I'm curious  why you think comunnications have not been specifically targeted.
Its a tad odd not to be the first thing to take out.

Kinder softer gentler invasion , irony²

[AJ]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-killed-3-500-russians-ex-president-says-amid-fierce-Kiev-battles/ar-AAUlDsS?ocid=msedgntp

More than 3,500 Russian soldiers have been killed since the invasion of Ukraine began earlier this week, according to the Ukrainian military.

Russia has also lost 14 airplanes,
eight helicopters,
102 tanks,
536 armed vehicles,
15 heavy machine guns and
one BUK missile since the invasion began, Ukraine's military said.

I trust  those figures as much as Russias military claims.

Having both direct family and in laws in provincial cities there, I've seen some random videos and reports from them.
That doesn't  give much of a picture other than the city airport being attacked.
There were Russian troops in the city last night and there was fighting, .
They were gone by the afternoon and no signs of fighting within that city at that time.

[AvHdB]

Fortunately the Russians have made studious efforts not to close communications - mobile, Internet, radio and TV are all fully functional in Ukraine. So we can see what is happening for ourselves as citizens capture events and share them. For themselves. No massacres, no great numbers of dead and wounded on either side.

I'm curious  why you think comunnications have not been specifically targeted.
Its a tad odd not to be the first thing to take out.

Indeed it is odd that most of us present can communicate to loved ones or friends in Ukraine.

There was a report that Russia has captured Odessa/Odesa, I tend to doubt this.

On the other side I have been trying to connect to a number of Russian government and media sites presently and they seem to be down. 21:30 ~ 22:00 EST.

[Contrarian]

Fortunately the Russians have made studious efforts not to close communications - mobile, Internet, radio and TV are all fully functional in Ukraine. So we can see what is happening for ourselves as citizens capture events and share them. For themselves. No massacres, no great numbers of dead and wounded on either side.

I'm curious  why you think comunnications have not been specifically targeted.
Its a tad odd not to be the first thing to take out.

Indeed it is odd that most of us present can communicate to loved ones or friends in Ukraine.

This is thanks to Elon Musk and his Starlink.


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?s=20&t=GTlSVMvlIpc6ArVFKM0Q1A

[Orchid]

My girlfriend is now out of Ukraine. They managed to book a tour trip to Egypt. I got a note from them from Poland getting ready to board plane. They got her eighteen-year-old son out. I do not know how.

Do you have any chance to bring them to the US?
It would be life saving for her 18 yo son.