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China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« on: February 04, 2022, 11:14:16 AM »
We've discussed multipolar world power and the reduction of US hegemony much over the years here. Since US provocation and sabre-rattling over Ukraine has stepped up recently, the US had to be put back in their box somehow.

It looks as if this will now happen. China and Russia have entered a new era of cooperation. Here's some relevant bits from the joint declaration:

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In a lengthy joint statement, China accused the United States of stoking protests in Hong Kong and encouraging independence in Taiwan, while Russia said the United States was playing a similarly destabilizing role in Ukraine.

“Russia and China stand against attempts by external forces to undermine security and stability in their common adjacent regions,” according to the 5,300-word joint statement released by the Kremlin. It said both nations “intend to counter interference by outside forces in the internal affairs of sovereign countries under any pretext, oppose color revolutions and will increase cooperation in the aforementioned areas.”

China has said that the world should not be divided into the kind of power blocs that defined the era when the Soviet Union and United States were the two dominant superpowers. And on Friday, China sided with Russia on one of its key security demands: an end to NATO expansion to the east and closer to Russia’s borders.

“The sides oppose further enlargement of NATO and call on the North Atlantic Alliance to abandon its ideologized Cold War approaches,” the statement said.

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The two countries also pledged to step up cooperation to thwart “colour revolutions” and external interference, and vowed to further deepen “back-to-back” strategic coordination.

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In the statement, Xi and Putin agreed on a bilateral agenda for the future of the two nations’ relations while also addressing how Beijing and Moscow would address third parties, including America.

As part of the statement, China took Russia’s side on the ongoing debate regarding the eastwards expansion of the US-led NATO military bloc, with both parties agreeing that it should be put to a halt.

“The sides oppose further enlargement of NATO and call on the North Atlantic Alliance to abandon its ideologized cold war approaches,” it reads, as well as urging the bloc to respect “the sovereignty, security and interests of other countries, the diversity of their civilizational, cultural and historical backgrounds, and to exercise a fair and objective attitude towards the peaceful development of other States.”

Media coverage here:

https://www.rt.com/russia/548333-putin-meeting-xi-beijing/

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/03/world/russia-ukraine-xi-putin

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/04/xi-jinping-meets-vladimir-putin-china-russia-tensions-grow-west

The full version is here:

http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5770

Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2022, 09:16:20 PM »
I do not put much stock in major lame stream media reports - however - when Market Intelligence sources in Moscow, Kiev, Minsk, Various EU Cities of Influence who are paid well to provide accurate and timely actionable intel that Emperor Xi has given Chairman Putin the Green Light to Split Ukraine down the Middle basically entire Dnipro valley with a Dog Leg move along the Seacoast to include Moldova leaving Chernobyl to Lvov landlocked and dependent upon Poland, Hungary and EU largess ironically making the EU countries even more dependent on Moscow for plentiful and cheap energy.

US Markets S&P, Dow, Nasdaq all corrected today with folks not wanting to hold large positions over the weekend in case rumors of imminent invasion turn to fact:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-could-begin-during-olympics/ar-AATKfFO?ocid=msedgntp

Putin's Calculus is the USA is Weak and NATO "Allies" no longer allied and France and Germany perfer cheap plentiful energy (Nord Stream Pipelines) to CoL Rothschild & CFR Rockefeller mandated globalist body bags.

Also by taking over Ukrainian pipelines Moscow can finally stop the constant Product Loss by various UA Underworld figures aligned with corrupt UA Pols and Oligarchs.

 UA Chickens and Chicken Hawks about to get a real dose of Russian Bears attitude correction.

There is the overt war and then covert war which will follow. If there is an invasion Russia will likely win the overt war but likely wish it never touched Ukraine when the covert war gets in full swing. I still think Putin knows this and is trying to get as much out of Nato as he can. In the end he will say I said I was not going to invade Ukraine we were just having a military exercise. All of this was just an overreaction to our war games. We do this every year and do not get why people would have this kind of response. We will see what happens in the coming couple of weeks because it now or never.   

What will happen if Russia invades is all the educated working population will leave, all investment in the area will stop, and mainly Putin will be left with millions of retires who will expect pensions. Most businesses will close, and GDP of the area will fall off a cliff. Then there will be constant attacks from Ukrainians who Nato will supply weapons. All of this will last for very many years. The remaining young people will be in the military who Putin will have to pay to secure the area. It will an economic and military disaster for Russia, but it is likely to take a few years before it will be scene in that light.  This is exactly what happened in Donbas where Russia is currently losing only now the stakes will be much higher and the attacks on Pro Russian interest will be much greater with NATO weapons.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2022, 08:47:45 AM »
What will happen if Russia invades is all the educated working population will leave, all investment in the area will stop, and mainly Putin will be left with millions of retires who will expect pensions. Most businesses will close, and GDP of the area will fall off a cliff.

That didn't happen in Crimea.

Then there will be constant attacks from Ukrainians who Nato will supply weapons. All of this will last for very many years.

That's been happening in Donbass since 2014.

in Donbas where Russia is currently losing only now the stakes will be much higher and the attacks on Pro Russian interest will be much greater with NATO weapons.

I fail to see where Russia is losing in Donbass. And Ukraine has been armed by the US and the Eu covertly the last eight years.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2022, 08:49:04 AM »
Emperor Xi has given Chairman Putin the Green Light to Split Ukraine down the Middle basically entire Dnipro valley with a Dog Leg move along the Seacoast to include Moldova leaving Chernobyl to Lvov landlocked and dependent upon Poland, Hungary and EU largess ironically making the EU countries even more dependent on Moscow for plentiful and cheap energy.

Cuffy, why do you think Putin needs permission from Xi?
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2022, 09:21:49 AM »
Emperor Xi has given Chairman Putin the Green Light to Split Ukraine down the Middle basically entire Dnipro valley with a Dog Leg move along the Seacoast to include Moldova leaving Chernobyl to Lvov landlocked and dependent upon Poland, Hungary and EU largess ironically making the EU countries even more dependent on Moscow for plentiful and cheap energy.

Cuffy, why do you think Putin needs permission from Xi?

The Brutal Truth is:

When your Green Parties of the EU and UK finally succeed in impoverishing your working and middle classes and freezing them WWII rationing style with little to no driving, heating or cooking fuels or taxed to the hilt at 8 to 10 quid per gallon... while the EU and eventually UK Clean Nuke Electricity Plants are all shut down in favor of at best unreliable and intermittent Solar, Wind and Geothermal which need electric pumps to work...

The Point is Chairman Putin of Russia Inc., knows how effective their and their CCP Allies 45 Goals of The Communists Party(s) for the West outlined in the book the Naked Communist (Just substitute CCP for Soviet) and authored by Leon Skousen in the early 1960s - well in the USA out of the 45 Goals the Soviets and now CCP Communist Red Chinese have achieved 43 of their 45 goals in the USA, EU and UK and much of the rest of Africa and Asia.

So V2 Putin is acutely aware of how raving barking mad your looney left are in destroying the west in favor of hard-core Marxist Communism.  Putin knows the UK and EU and the West are unreliable partners capable of losing rational sanity in favor of looney radical leftism at any time the west decides to get high on their supply of favored mind-altering drugs of the moment and go into a mass drugs induced psychosis.

Whereas the CCP has insured China does not go Green New Steal Stark Raving Barking Mad at the Moon. 

Therefore, Emperor Xi is in fact a much more reliable customer to Russia, Inc. and Chairman Putin does not want to alienate his one strong independent giant reliable customer.


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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2022, 09:36:54 AM »
Texan, the Russian government has been giving out Russian passports to all and sundry in the area for years.

Millions of Ukrainians, including more than a few from the Donbas region, are now working in Russia.

The place is still economically viable, probably doing better than many parts of the rest of Ukraine. If one is in construction there must be more than a few work opportunities being created by the Ukrainian army. For those who want it, there's armed service and, of course the previous manufacturing and mining work is still ongoing.
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2022, 10:08:02 AM »
The Brutal Truth is:

When your Green Parties of the EU and UK finally succeed in impoverishing your working and middle classes and freezing them WWII rationing style with little to no driving, heating or cooking fuels or taxed to the hilt at 8 to 10 quid per gallon... while the EU and eventually UK Clean Nuke Electricity Plants are all shut down in favor of at best unreliable and intermittent Solar, Wind and Geothermal which need electric pumps to work...

There is light at the end of the tunnel.

It's true Boris suddenly became a green, everyone suspected his wife was behind that as she is a loony lefty green, and that has now been confirmed in Lord Ashcroft's book (serialised here).

Boris knows he is either going to be ousted by the party or lose the next election if he doesn't sort our energy policy out and now there's a sudden push by others in the party to open up the North Sea gas and oil fields and start fracking again. I expect both will happen in fairly short order.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2022, 11:07:05 AM »
The Brutal Truth is:

When your Green Parties of the EU and UK finally succeed in impoverishing your working and middle classes and freezing them WWII rationing style with little to no driving, heating or cooking fuels or taxed to the hilt at 8 to 10 quid per gallon... while the EU and eventually UK Clean Nuke Electricity Plants are all shut down in favor of at best unreliable and intermittent Solar, Wind and Geothermal which need electric pumps to work...

There is light at the end of the tunnel.

It's true Boris suddenly became a green, everyone suspected his wife was behind that as she is a loony lefty green, and that has now been confirmed in Lord Ashcroft's book (serialised here).

Boris knows he is either going to be ousted by the party or lose the next election if he doesn't sort our energy policy out and now there's a sudden push by others in the party to open up the North Sea gas and oil fields and start fracking again. I expect both will happen in fairly short order.


All the more reason for Scottish independence.  :coffeeread:

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2022, 11:14:04 AM »
It might sound a little odd given the neggy vibing on the topic, but back in late 2020, the UK was producing over 40% of its electricity from renewable sources.

I was surprised to learn that this pretty large number only accounts for about 6% of the UK's total energy usage!

The single biggest challenge I think they face is managing the variations in output because the swings in output resulted in higher energy prices. The UK is going to be using a connection with Norway for low carbon electricity, however, that might not be as cheap as the government hopes.

Here in Estonia, we buy electricity from the same Nord Pool Spot as the top-up going to the UK and my electricity bill was huge last month, although, to be fair, the rate will be half that next month.

My electricity is on a spot market contract and so is variable, but priced, on average, lower than fixed or capped tariffs. Yesterday, I was paying just €0.025 per kWh. Today I am back up to €0.10 per kWh. My next bill will average €0.16 per kWh across the month.

We are looking at getting a battery system for the apartment or entire block that charges up when prices are low and discharges when prices are high. We won't make a decision until later in the year when we can see price trends. It might be worth a look in the UK. Even a single battery unit would cover half my usage across most of the year and 25% during the 2/3 peak heating months. Dropping onto the grid to charge up for a couple of hours at €0.025 a go would quickly mount up and make such a system very worthwhile.
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2022, 07:17:33 PM »
All the more reason for Scottish independence.  :coffeeread:

Scotland (we’ll the crazy leader) claims to want independence so they can go and join the EU and lose, um, independence. She just wants to run continuous referenda until she gets the result she wants. Why they vote for her is beyond me.
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2022, 09:50:28 PM »
All the more reason for Scottish independence.  :coffeeread:

Scotland (we’ll the crazy leader) claims to want independence so they can go and join the EU and lose, um, independence. She just wants to run continuous referenda until she gets the result she wants. Why they vote for her is beyond me.


Well I don't like her at all, but I do like the idea of Scottish Independence.  :laugh:

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2022, 12:54:31 AM »
Well I don't like her at all, but I do like the idea of Scottish Independence.  :laugh:

The Scottish people don’t. They voted against it.
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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2022, 09:52:00 AM »
The Brutal Truth is:

When your Green Parties of the EU and UK finally succeed in impoverishing your working and middle classes and freezing them WWII rationing style with little to no driving, heating or cooking fuels or taxed to the hilt at 8 to 10 quid per gallon... while the EU and eventually UK Clean Nuke Electricity Plants are all shut down in favor of at best unreliable and intermittent Solar, Wind and Geothermal which need electric pumps to work...

There is light at the end of the tunnel.

It's true Boris suddenly became a green, everyone suspected his wife was behind that as she is a loony lefty green, and that has now been confirmed in Lord Ashcroft's book (serialised here).

Boris knows he is either going to be ousted by the party or lose the next election if he doesn't sort our energy policy out and now there's a sudden push by others in the party to open up the North Sea gas and oil fields and start fracking again. I expect both will happen in fairly short order.

Our Looney Left Green New Stealers GRIFT is still on High and get Higher Mode due to the legalization of extremely potent Cannabis Strains in the USA and Canabissia...  Bernie, AOL, Warren and the Seirra Foundation loonies high on their Vermont Green Supply have set hyper-inflation on fire due to the multiplier effect of doubling the price of fuels coal, oil, natgaz, and distillates which have increased the costs of everything transported by Ship, Rail, Trucks and Air Cargo both within the USA and internationally.  Biden admin states they have no intention to increase fossil fuels production to reduce fuel costs and the inflation associated multiplier impacts.  A major reason why El Cana-Libre the Cuban Dictator's illegitimate basterdo son True-Dopey has gone full Castro/Lenin/PolPot on the Canadian Truckers - interesting like a tin pot dictator El-Trudopey tried to call out the Canadian Military against their own Citizens Cuba and Venezuela style and the Can-Mil basically told him to bugger off using military forces with his Emergency Orders Crackdown (First time in Canadian History - even WWII - WTF???).

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2022, 02:34:06 PM »
All the more reason for Scottish independence.  :coffeeread:

Scotland (we’ll the crazy leader) claims to want independence so they can go and join the EU and lose, um, independence. She just wants to run continuous referenda until she gets the result she wants. Why they vote for her is beyond me.

It’s only about 30 odd percent of us Scots who actually vote SNP and my favorite stat is, that more Scots voted to leave the EU than the SNP.

They’ve gradually destroyed our great little country over the last 14 years and we’re now a politically divided society with so many problems, thanks to their toxic governance. That’s what happens when you vote for a party whose main aim isn’t to successfully manage a nation and its people but to break up a union and argue with Westminster 24/7.

We need a credible opposition but the SNP followers a largely made up of public sector, the unemployed, the left wing loonies and the bigoted face painters. A militant bunch who are aggressive towards those who don’t subscribe to their cult. They'll constantly defend and excuse the absolute shambles of a government they’ve voted in and annoyingly as a minority, talk arrogantly as if they speak for all Scots.

If you question any of the disasters, the default position is....but but the Tories. Criticise their supreme leader Jimmy Krankie and you’ll be attacked, insulted and hounded off social media.

Who would’ve thought it, subsidy junkies voting for free shit and said voted for government, making policy favorable for the non contributors.

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China against NATO and the US
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2022, 11:01:47 AM »
If you only read the title that China joins Russia against NATO and the US.

I think that would be the best thing for NATO, the US, and the world if
China were to piss off Europe and the US and Europe stopped buying
Chinese goods. Shrink China's economy by a good 40% or so and
maybe they would be better actors on the world stage.

Who honestly thinks that China wasn't at least partially responsible for
the world wide covid epidemic?

Neither Europe nor the US should not think of China as anything except as
an enemy. What would be the result of an EU and US 100% tariff on Chinese
goods for a period or two years? Using whatever money collected to pay for the
stolen tech and the harm caused by Covid.

China would start pouring out payola to the politico's and soon everyone's
mistress will have new mink coats and boob jobs.

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Re: China against NATO and the US
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2022, 01:07:47 PM »
If you only read the title that China joins Russia against NATO and the US.

I think that would be the best thing for NATO, the US, and the world if
China were to piss off Europe and the US and Europe stopped buying
Chinese goods. Shrink China's economy by a good 40% or so and
maybe they would be better actors on the world stage.

Who honestly thinks that China wasn't at least partially responsible for
the world wide covid epidemic?

Neither Europe nor the US should not think of China as anything except as
an enemy. What would be the result of an EU and US 100% tariff on Chinese
goods for a period or two years? Using whatever money collected to pay for the
stolen tech and the harm caused by Covid.

China would start pouring out payola to the politico's and soon everyone's
mistress will have new mink coats and boob jobs.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  :ROFL:

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Re: China Joins Russia Against NATO and the US.
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2022, 08:16:26 AM »
Rosco, get out there and support Craig Murray. He is in favour of Scottish Independence but strikes me as a sensible antidote to Jimmy Krankie!
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