The Insanity of US Warmongers pushing Confrontation w/ Russia

[Contrarian]

Did you catch the meeting of Lavrov last time? as a warmer-upper he asked if they would
respect Sovereignty of Russia over 2 oblasts that are very much in the heartland of Russia.

The stupid woman didn't even know that , she said they would not.

Angel Eyes was a bit fired up about it initially, but we later had a laugh about how
frequently stupid people rise to stations far above their abilities.

Sadly there is truth to this G. W. Bush perhaps should of been President of the local Chamber of Commerce, instead . . .

Not even that good IMO. I always thought of him as a failed country and western singer. A really bad one. 

Please tell me he did not try to sing. As I recall he became a portrait painter.

It was amazingly . . . bad.

His paintings were far better than my vision of him as a CW singer. 

[2tallbill]

Sadly there is truth to this G. W. Bush perhaps should of been President of the local
Chamber of Commerce, instead . . .

I've heard good reports of him when he was governor of Texas. The GOP swamp
creatures has to stop nominating losers to be president. Anyone who has to rely
on the Supreme court to beat Al Gore is a loser!

Ford, George HW, George W, Bob Dole, Mittens Romney and Jeb are all losers.
Who will the GOP swamp want to nominate next? It's not DeSantis. Probably
Pence.

[andrewfi]

Well, with the developments in Ukraine, including the slow rolling abandonment of Kiev as administrative capital, I bet there's going to be a flood of youngish, attractivish, women looking for an easy exit by way of matrimony to old foreign dudes.

Somebody is going to step into that space. Are you up for it Steve?

Trips to Kiev and Odessa complete with drivers and bodyguards?

Go get 'em Cufflinks, it's your last chance.

[B.B.]

Ford, George HW, George W, Bob Dole, Mittens Romney and Jeb are all losers.
Who will the GOP swamp want to nominate next? It's not DeSantis. Probably
Pence.

In fairness to Bob Dole, who served his country in WW2 (and, some say, fought Napoleon at Waterloo), he meets the criterion for a presidential nominee by the party that is expected to lose: He was a responsible adult, and would have ably served as a "caretaker" president.

As much as we dislike W, remember that the alternatives were eco-commie Al Gore and then in 2004, the Boston Fog Machine.  No thanks.

Right now, I think the nomination goes to Trump.  Fully 50% of the GOP wants him specifically, probably 30% want anyone but him, leaving DeSantis a distant second at 21%.

Pence might be in the mix but for presiding over the election of Joe Biden (and refusing to overturn the election), which means the Trump wing hates him - notably Trump hasn't really gone after him. 

Other contenders: Ted Cruz, Little Marco, Tim Scott (has raised $7M for a Senate race which he will cruise through AND released a book).  Scott is a well-spoken, VERY Conservative Black Guy who could peel off more of the black vote.  Mike Pompeo has lost 90 lbs and done some media buys.  Pompeo is SHARP as a tack, and was really the guiding force behind many of Trump's foreign policy wins.  I would be happy for him, DeSantis or Trump to win in 2024.

B/B

[2tallbill]

In fairness to Bob Dole, who served his country in WW2 (and, some say, fought Napoleon at Waterloo), he meets the criterion for a presidential nominee by the party that is expected to lose: He was a responsible adult, and would have ably served as a "caretaker" president.

As much as we dislike W, remember that the alternatives were eco-commie Al Gore and then in 2004, the Boston Fog Machine.  No thanks.

Right now, I think the nomination goes to Trump.  Fully 50% of the GOP wants him specifically, probably 30% want anyone but him, leaving DeSantis a distant second at 21%.

Pence might be in the mix but for presiding over the election of Joe Biden (and refusing to overturn the election), which means the Trump wing hates him - notably Trump hasn't really gone after him. 

Other contenders: Ted Cruz, Little Marco, Tim Scott (has raised $7M for a Senate race which he will cruise through AND released a book).  Scott is a well-spoken, VERY Conservative Black Guy who could peel off more of the black vote.  Mike Pompeo has lost 90 lbs and done some media buys.  Pompeo is SHARP as a tack, and was really the guiding force behind many of Trump's foreign policy wins.  I would be happy for him, DeSantis or Trump to win in 2024.

B/B

All the GOP swamp creatures are better than the Democrat alternative. However,
the only candidates that we will get are swamp creatures if we allow it. Jeb spent
over a hundred million dollars because the swamp really, really wanted him, but
nobody would vote for him, because he couldn't even pretend to be a conservative. 
He got something like 8% of the GOP primary vote, we didn't allow it.

Bob Dole was unable to articulate the conservative vision because he didn't understand
it. It was far more important for him to act presidential than to win.

[Contrarian]

Ford, George HW, George W, Bob Dole, Mittens Romney and Jeb are all losers.
Who will the GOP swamp want to nominate next? It's not DeSantis. Probably
Pence.

In fairness to Bob Dole, who served his country in WW2 (and, some say, fought Napoleon at Waterloo), he meets the criterion for a presidential nominee by the party that is expected to lose: He was a responsible adult, and would have ably served as a "caretaker" president.

As much as we dislike W, remember that the alternatives were eco-commie Al Gore and then in 2004, the Boston Fog Machine.  No thanks.

Right now, I think the nomination goes to Trump.  Fully 50% of the GOP wants him specifically, probably 30% want anyone but him, leaving DeSantis a distant second at 21%.

Pence might be in the mix but for presiding over the election of Joe Biden (and refusing to overturn the election), which means the Trump wing hates him - notably Trump hasn't really gone after him. 

Other contenders: Ted Cruz, Little Marco, Tim Scott (has raised $7M for a Senate race which he will cruise through AND released a book).  Scott is a well-spoken, VERY Conservative Black Guy who could peel off more of the black vote.  Mike Pompeo has lost 90 lbs and done some media buys.  Pompeo is SHARP as a tack, and was really the guiding force behind many of Trump's foreign policy wins.  I would be happy for him, DeSantis or Trump to win in 2024.

B/B

So would you be happy with a Trump as President, Tim Scott as VP ticket?

I don't think it will happen but I would like to see Rand Paul run with Tulsi Gabbard.

[andrewfi]

One thing to bear in mind, if the USA had not rejected the idea of even discussing the central points laid out in the draft treaty proposals from Russia then it is most unlikely that the LDPR would have been recognised as independent states.

It seems that the higher powers in the USA are unable to envisage Russia as anything other than a vast area from which resources (primarily energy) can be extracted to the benefit of the USA and its allies.

Now we are going to see the 'alternative route' to the goals of the Russian state.

You guys need to find a way to impose more knowledgeable, more professional and more flexible leaders - both the visible leaders who you 'elect' and the less visible ones who wield power that transcends your elected representatives and election terms.

[Contrarian]

One thing to bear in mind, if the USA had not rejected the idea of even discussing the central points laid out in the draft treaty proposals from Russia then it is most unlikely that the LDPR would have been recognised as independent states.

It seems that the higher powers in the USA are unable to envisage Russia as anything other than a vast area from which resources (primarily energy) can be extracted to the benefit of the USA and its allies.

Now we are going to see the 'alternative route' to the goals of the Russian state.

You guys need to find a way to impose more knowledgeable, more professional and more flexible leaders - both the visible leaders who you 'elect' and the less visible ones who wield power that transcends your elected representatives and election terms.

Speak for yourself, that dingbat Truss is with the UK....

[andrewfi]

She is a twat and no mistake however we in the UK lack the lack of professionalism in-depth that the United States flaunts so brightly in its diplomatic corps.

I doubt that we in the rest of the world can hope to emulate the USA in this regard. You lot are non pareil!

[Contrarian]

She is a twat and no mistake however we in the UK lack the lack of professionalism in-depth that the United States flaunts so brightly in its diplomatic corps.

I doubt that we in the rest of the world can hope to emulate the USA in this regard. You lot are non pareil!

Yes well that happens when a country allows inbred Neanderthals to run their government instead of mentally healthy Homo sapiens. 

[2tallbill]

It seems that the higher powers in the USA are unable to envisage Russia as anything other than
a vast area from which resources (primarily energy) can be extracted to the benefit of the USA
and its allies.

The US has many faults and deserves blame in many arena's but Europe manages
(or mismanages) their own energy needs. The USA buys very little energy from
Russia.

You guys need to find a way to impose more knowledgeable, more professional and more flexible
leaders - both the visible leaders who you 'elect' and the less visible ones who wield power that
transcends your elected representatives and election terms.

Democrats being elected into power always foreshadows incompetency in foreign affairs.
I think many of us predicted much of the mismanagement that is bearing fruit today.

[2tallbill]

Sadly there is truth to this G. W. Bush perhaps should of been President of the local Chamber of Commerce, instead . . .

He still continues his loser ways. He has held fund raisers for Liz Cheney.

[2tallbill]

Back to the warmongers currently in office.

Lindsey Graham: Putin is doing “exactly what Hitler did” as Russia begins invasion of Ukraine
https://www.wmbfnews.com/2022/02/22/sen-lindsey-graham-compares-vladimir-putins-actions-against-ukraine-adolf-hitler/

[Markje]

Back to the warmongers currently in office.

Lindsey Graham: Putin is doing “exactly what Hitler did” as Russia begins invasion of Ukraine
https://www.wmbfnews.com/2022/02/22/sen-lindsey-graham-compares-vladimir-putins-actions-against-ukraine-adolf-hitler/

Ehh, no. Perhaps a military strategy shows resemblances, but Putin never said that Ukrainians are lesser race than Russians. quite the opposite in fact, he called them brothers and equals to Russians.

[andrewfi]

Nope, this is not a party issue in the USA.

However, that fact that diplomacy is treated as an extension of party politics is a part of the problem. Giving ambassadorship to party donors as 'treats' is emblematic of the problems that the USA faces in its dealings with foreign affairs.

One might with some justification moan about the quality of political leadership in many countries other than the USA in comparison to that we see in China and Russia. Whataboutism is rarely appropriate and absolutely not in the case of the 'Exceptional Nation'.

[Texan77]

In some places it has been written the Biden is in part to blame for this war. Russia only invades Ukraine when the price of Hydrocarbons is high. Since Biden had shut down pipelines and reduced Fracking, he had made the price of gas higher than it had to be thus a war in Ukraine more likely. Maybe he will see the light but there is no quick turnaround for this ill-advised policy.

In this morning news the EU has pledged it will get off Russian gas and oil because it has given up its sovereignty over energy. It simple cannot fight the Russia because of energy dependance. With the high price of hydrocarbons Russian feel it can simply buy anything it needs in spite of sanctions though the price might be higher.

This is a bigger problem than most people understand. Russia is the world's largest producer of pot ash which makes fertilizer.

[AvHdB]

Russia is the world's largest producer of pot ash which makes fertilizer.

Canada is the largest producers of potassium chloride, or potash. Russia is a distant third.

[Faux Pas]

One thing to bear in mind, if the USA had not rejected the idea of even discussing the central points laid out in the draft treaty proposals from Russia then it is most unlikely that the LDPR would have been recognised as independent states.

It seems that the higher powers in the USA are unable to envisage Russia as anything other than a vast area from which resources (primarily energy) can be extracted to the benefit of the USA and its allies.

Now we are going to see the 'alternative route' to the goals of the Russian state.

You guys need to find a way to impose more knowledgeable, more professional and more flexible leaders - both the visible leaders who you 'elect' and the less visible ones who wield power that transcends your elected representatives and election terms.

Just when I begin to believe you are beyond all salvation, you perk up your lil' fat head and state something that might lead one to believe you are awakening. Your problem Fifi is, you do not recognize the players but hopefully you are beginning to realize the game

[Gipsy]

The US has many faults and deserves blame in many arena's but Europe manages
(or mismanages) their own energy needs. The USA buys very little energy from
Russia.

That would depend upon what you class of energy, the US in fact imported nearly 250,000,000 barrels of oil and petroleum products in 2021, and they have orders on Russia for the first 6 months of this year afaik..

[Contrarian]

War profiteering versus common sense.

Quote

"But Vance, a Yale Law School graduate who served in the Marines in Iraq before becoming a venture capitalist, staked out a wildly different position.

“I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another,” Vance said in a podcast interview.

A retired Army general, Barry R. McCaffrey, blasted those comments on Twitter. “JD Vance is a shameful person unsuitable for public office. His comments are those of a stooge for Russian aggression,” said McCaffrey, who led an infantry division during the Persian Gulf war of 1991 and has since become a television news analyst, defense consultant and Trump critic.

To which Vance replied: “Your entire time in military leadership we won zero wars. You drank fine wine at bullshit security conferences while thousands of working class kids died on the battlefield. Oh, by the way, how much do you stand to gain financially from a war with Russia, Barry?”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-candidates-split-over-ukraine-124501447.html

[B.B.]

So would you be happy with a Trump as President, Tim Scott as VP ticket?

I don't think it will happen but I would like to see Rand Paul run with Tulsi Gabbard.

I would like to see Trump/Pompeo, provided Pompeo also held a portfolio as SecState.  I don't know much about Scott, but he seems legit, unlike RINOs like Nikki Haley.  Whoever is Veep, I'd want them to be a rock-ribbed conservative.

Anyone who calls themselves a libertarian is a moron.  Tulsi is ok FOR A DEM.  She would need to cross the aisle before I considered trusting her.

One thing to bear in mind, if the USA had not rejected the idea of even discussing the central points laid out in the draft treaty proposals from Russia then it is most unlikely that the LDPR would have been recognised as independent states.

. . . .

You guys need to find a way to impose more knowledgeable, more professional and more flexible leaders - both the visible leaders who you 'elect' and the less visible ones who wield power that transcends your elected representatives and election terms.

Just stop pretending that Russia lacks any agency.  They care more about the "gathering of Russian lands" than we do, by a lot.  And why should we trust Putin on treaties?  Recall that he ignored the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 - and spare me your highly bullshit argument about how it "doesn't count".  You are smart enough to know better.

Democrats being elected into power always foreshadows incompetency in foreign affairs.
I think many of us predicted much of the mismanagement that is bearing fruit today.

And the funny thing is, they fancy themselves so Wise in that sphere.  And yet any sense they might possess gives way to the dumbest virtue signaling at every turn.  Why were our embassies flying the rainbow flag (aka "fag flag"?) during national faggot month?  Why was there a mural of George Floyd up on the wall of the Kabul embassy?  And that's before we get to the weirdo crossdresser appointments.  What are they trying to prove?  They have to know that nobody buys into their bullshit.

B/B

[B.B.]

Russia bombed the Kiev airport.  I just Zelled a few hundred to an American friend of mine who is evacuating Kiev.

I eagerly await the Putin Propaganda Squad's defense of Putin because: fake ass reasons.

B/B

[Lord of the Dance]

Russia bombed the Kiev airport.  I just Zelled a few hundred to an American friend of mine who is evacuating Kiev.

Hope he can get out before everything is locked down (Zelenskyy is apparently going to impose martial law).

[B.B.]

Russia bombed the Kiev airport.  I just Zelled a few hundred to an American friend of mine who is evacuating Kiev.

Hope he can get out before everything is locked down (Zelenskyy is apparently going to impose martial law).

Ukr police have blocked the road to Lvov as Russia evidently bombed Lvov.  Another friend in Nikolayev is trying to get to Lvov also.  She reports that her (pregnant) friend's apartment building was bombed in Odessa.  One imagines unintentionally, but small comfort when your home is destroyed.

B/B

[Valenki]

If the United Snakes and its NATO lackeys keep out of it the whole thing will be settled and done very soon and everyone in the region can get back to their lives.