Ukraine: It’s Over, Putin Has Won!

[Wiz]

Ukraine: It’s Over, Putin Has Won?

Victoria Nuland, the neoconservative warmonger appointed Undersecretary of State by the White House fool, announced Washington’s surrender when she called on China to use its influence with Russia to save Ukraine from invasion. She thus acknowledges what everyone had already concluded: the US and NATO lack the capability.

Washington’s surrender followed the request of the Ukrainian president that Washington stop the “Russian invasion” propaganda as there were no signs of an invasion being prepared and Washington’s rhetoric was too provocative.

Germany refused flyover permission to the UK for arms deliveries to Ukraine. Two NATO members announced that they would not send troops if NATO got involved in Ukraine. Washington saw the writing on the wall.

Most countries saw Washington’s refusal to agree to the Russian mutual security proposal as unreasonable and dangerous. Moreover, Washington’s strategy of arming and training the Ukrainians and provoking them into a major attack on the Donbass Russians has failed.

Ukraine knows that Russia will not permit any significant damage to Donbass. Moreover, Ukrainians are unsure they could even defeat the Donbass army, which is probably armed with the new Russian high impact weapons.

Ukraine understands that Russia can wipe out its forces with conventional missiles without sending troops across the border. The Ukrainians also know that no one will be coming to their aid. The Pentagon itself announced that no US troops will be sent to Ukraine.

The fact that Washington publicly rejected the Russian proposal means nothing as Washington has no alternative but to accept it. The Russian foot came down hard, as it needed to do, and everyone including Washington understands that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO.

Th US/NATO missile bases in Poland and Romania will be quietly removed over time. Washington will continue to bluster and threaten but is unable to take any action. The diplomatic Russians will allow Washington to save face in some arranged way.

All that is necessary at this point is that the diplomats in the Russian foreign ministry, who tend to put too much faith in signed documents, and Russian hardliners understand that Washington’s rejection of the proposal has been rendered meaningless and that Putin has won.

The world has adjusted to Russia’s inflexible demand and unmatched military superiority backed up by China.

In view of the appearance on the scene of long overdue Russian assertiveness, I expect Washington to draw in its horns and to move toward a more cooperative and peaceful position.

Posted at Global research by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts  on 3 February 2022

[2tallbill]

Biden is feckless, to Putin whether he attacks Ukraine or not, he has already won. The Russian
Tsar has shown he can intimidate Europe, while they do nothing more than wave their fingers
at the man who made a career of breaking fingers for fun.

The US is protected by oceans on two sides. It's impossible to invade the USA. You would have
to travel thousands of miles just to try it.

Ukraine is all borders and places to attack from. Ukraine is totally indefensible. Everyone has invaded
Ukraine from the The Mongols, the Tartars, Germany many times, the Poles countless times, the
Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russians.

[2tallbill]

Ukraine understands that Russia can wipe out its forces with conventional missiles without sending troops across the border.

The author is exaggerating here. The only way to wipe out dug in troops is to go in and do it.
Would the missile attacks soften them up? Certainly, but wipe them out? Every major war in
history has shown otherwise.

The US pounded the Japanese with attacks from bombs and giant navel guns but when the
first troops actually try to step on shore, the Americans start taking casualties. The same
in Vietnam, Iraq, and anywhere else it's been tried.

Russia can defeat Ukraine but it won't be painless.

[AvHdB]

Global Research and by extension Wiz are delusional.

Yes Russia could I guess within 6 months capture all of Ukraine. For what? The Russians will face an extremely hostile Ukraine population. Further the International condemnation will be extremely damaging on multiple fronts for Russia. As we write The United States and Russia are speaking and exchanging options and offers.

The Kremlin is more afraid of Ukraine democracy and independence than any weapons the United States or NATO can deliver. Further Putin is considering his legacy and wants to be seen historically as a Katherine or Peter the Great, both never entered a war that was a lost cause.

[Markje]

The US pounded the Japanese with attacks from bombs and giant navel guns but when the
first troops actually try to step on shore, the Americans start taking casualties. The same
in Vietnam, Iraq, and anywhere else it's been tried.

Russia can defeat Ukraine but it won't be painless.

Goods god, you made me spill my tea!!!!

I assume you meant Naval guns.

[Lord of the Dance]

The US pounded the Japanese with attacks from bombs and giant navel guns but when the
first troops actually try to step on shore, the Americans start taking casualties. The same
in Vietnam, Iraq, and anywhere else it's been tried.

Russia can defeat Ukraine but it won't be painless.

Goods god, you made me spill my tea!!!!

I assume you meant Naval guns.

Nothing quite as American as shelling the enemy right from your belly.

[2tallbill]

Goods god, you made me spill my tea!!!!

I assume you meant Naval guns.

Yes, that's what I meant. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

[cufflinks]

Big Geopolitical Picture...

China has a huge multi-decades Belt and Roads initiative expanding across the Globe to insure China is the Globes Factory and Main Distribution network by Ship, Rail, Highways, Airports, Hypersonic Space Cargo and Camel Caravans if necessary.

See Riding the Dragon:

And read the new best seller Red Handed:
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Handed-American-Elites-Helping-China/dp/B09F5F5CNM

China practices Executive "Elites Capture" with Money, Sex, Crack, Meth whatever Hunter Biden and his ilk desires in exchange for his powerful family's acquiescence to China's Global Belt and Road and Geopolitical Domination goals.

Major components of Belt and Road infrastructure run across both the Stans and across Mother Russia to the major EU states including EU's precision manufacturing engineering and scientific research center the Covid Fascists Germany. 

China does not want its long-term Belt and Road plans to dominate the globe and especially EU interrupted by the CoL/CFR Rothschilds agitating in Ukraine - and Beijing Joe Biden will follow his master's orders from Beijing in exchange for the over $6 Billion in deals Beijing arranged with Hunter and his uncles long before Old Joe became POTUS - the Chinese do play a long 50 and 100 and 500 year game.

Instead of Russia being worried about NATO encirclement - they will be able to Ride on Emperor Xi's Belt and Road Coattails as a key Nuclear Technology (Energy and Weapons) super partner as the CCP invades the EU via peacful yet determined Belt and Road domination via constant and continued Elite Capture. 

Russia wins big long term as a key technology research partner and natural resources supplier to both the Empire of the Modern CCP China and the energy-dependent EU nations who have gone Green Insane while China and Russia toast each other and enjoy their Red Sparrow mistresses via an alliance between the modern Ghenghis Kahn and Peter (V2) the Great.

NATO is now irrelevant as France and Germany ignore the UK (Col) and USA (CFR) globalists' provocations for a false-flag war with the Hypersonic Nuclear Upgraded powers of Russia backed by China and its omnipotent and omniscient CCP.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

[2tallbill]

Nothing quite as American as shelling the enemy right from your belly.

Drinking champagne collected in the navel of a beautiful woman is even better.

[Texan77]

Ukraine: It’s Over, Putin Has Won?

Victoria Nuland, the neoconservative warmonger appointed Undersecretary of State by the White House fool, announced Washington’s surrender when she called on China to use its influence with Russia to save Ukraine from invasion. She thus acknowledges what everyone had already concluded: the US and NATO lack the capability.

Washington’s surrender followed the request of the Ukrainian president that Washington stop the “Russian invasion” propaganda as there were no signs of an invasion being prepared and Washington’s rhetoric was too provocative.

Germany refused flyover permission to the UK for arms deliveries to Ukraine. Two NATO members announced that they would not send troops if NATO got involved in Ukraine. Washington saw the writing on the wall.

Most countries saw Washington’s refusal to agree to the Russian mutual security proposal as unreasonable and dangerous. Moreover, Washington’s strategy of arming and training the Ukrainians and provoking them into a major attack on the Donbass Russians has failed.

Ukraine knows that Russia will not permit any significant damage to Donbass. Moreover, Ukrainians are unsure they could even defeat the Donbass army, which is probably armed with the new Russian high impact weapons.

Ukraine understands that Russia can wipe out its forces with conventional missiles without sending troops across the border. The Ukrainians also know that no one will be coming to their aid. The Pentagon itself announced that no US troops will be sent to Ukraine.

The fact that Washington publicly rejected the Russian proposal means nothing as Washington has no alternative but to accept it. The Russian foot came down hard, as it needed to do, and everyone including Washington understands that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO.

Th US/NATO missile bases in Poland and Romania will be quietly removed over time. Washington will continue to bluster and threaten but is unable to take any action. The diplomatic Russians will allow Washington to save face in some arranged way.

All that is necessary at this point is that the diplomats in the Russian foreign ministry, who tend to put too much faith in signed documents, and Russian hardliners understand that Washington’s rejection of the proposal has been rendered meaningless and that Putin has won.

The world has adjusted to Russia’s inflexible demand and unmatched military superiority backed up by China.

In view of the appearance on the scene of long overdue Russian assertiveness, I expect Washington to draw in its horns and to move toward a more cooperative and peaceful position.

Posted at Global research by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts  on 3 February 2022

Russia will lose any war in Ukraine. It will just take a few years after Russia has declare victory for the reality to become clear. It will be like another Afghanistan but this time on the Russian border. it will spread to other countries and much of the blood shed will be inside Russia. This time Russia will not be able to leave. They are currently losing in the east and that is why all this build up drama with all these Russian troops. Years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine territories in the east they have a on the going war on the border as well as from within territories. The people from the Ukraine will never give up their four-hundred-year quest to be free of Russia.  I bet in March Russia will with draw with its tail between its legs as the reality become clear they cannot win a war in Ukraine long term. It will not be the USA or Nato that will kill Russia but rather the will of the people of Ukraine. Many millions of Ukrainians are currently training to defend the country. The Russian troops will be out gunned and out matched 100 to one in Ukraine cities. Russia neither has the financing ability or the military might to hold the country of the Ukraine for more than a couple of years.

[Wiz]

Russia will lose any war in Ukraine. It will just take a few years after Russia has declare victory for the reality to become clear. It will be like another Afghanistan but this time on the Russian border. it will spread to other countries and much of the blood shed will be inside Russia. This time Russia will not be able to leave. They are currently losing in the east and that is why all this build up drama with all these Russian troops. Years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine territories in the east they have a on the going war on the border as well as from within territories. The people from the Ukraine will never give up their four-hundred-year quest to be free of Russia.  I bet in March Russia will with draw with its tail between its legs as the reality become clear they cannot win a war in Ukraine long term. It will not be the USA or Nato that will kill Russia but rather the will of the people of Ukraine. Many millions of Ukrainians are currently training to defend the country. The Russian troops will be out gunned and out matched 100 to one in Ukraine cities. Russia neither has the financing ability or the military might to hold the country of the Ukraine for more than a couple of years.

Oh dear Texas, I do feel sorry for you, listening all that propaganda on your Mass Media TV and getting brainwashed to the point you cannot see further from your nose!

The above posted article it is not mine but posted by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts one of yours and I would suggest visit his own block and start reading. He is not Anti-American….. but he can see more clearly than your convoluted brain what it is going on around the US and the rest of the world!

Historically you are uneducated so here some facts.

USSR did not invade Afghanistan but was invited in 1978 by the  Afghanistan's communist party that took power to help:

The Soviet–Afghan War was a conflict wherein insurgent groups known collectively as the Mujahideen, as well as smaller Maoist groups, fought a nine-year guerrilla war against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) and the Soviet Army throughout the 1980s, mostly in the Afghan countryside. The Mujahideen were variously backed primarily by the United States, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, and the United Kingdom; the conflict was a Cold War-era proxy war. Between 562,000 and 2,000,000 Afghans were killed and millions more fled the country as refugees, mostly to Pakistan and Iran. Between 6.5%–11.5% of Afghanistan's population is estimated to have perished in the conflict.

The war caused grave destruction in Afghanistan, and it has also been cited by scholars as a contributing factor to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, in hindsight leaving a mixed legacy to people in both territories.

The foundations of the conflict were laid by the Saur Revolution, a 1978 coup wherein Afghanistan's communist party took power, initiating a series of radical modernization and land reforms throughout the country. These reforms were deeply unpopular among the more traditional rural population and established power structures. The repressive nature of the "Democratic Republic", which vigorously suppressed opposition and executed thousands of political prisoners, led to the rise of anti-government armed groups; by April 1979, large parts of the country were in open rebellion.

Read the wikipedia post and Learn something! :  The Soviet–Afghan War

Russia has no need to invade Ukraine....as probably half of it's population, especialy over the
dnipro river are Russians and have Russian passports.

Unfortunately the ex Hegemon USA never respected any agreements and that is why nobody around the world don't like or trust you.

Take a look at your own history, after the WWII, how many countries the US have invaded and destroyed and let me remind you that Greece was one of the first countries for you to learn experiment and copy the British Empire actions, creating a civil war between the resistance movements.......Even today, after you fcuked Ukraine you moved that CIA agent ex ambassador Geoffrey-Pyatt to Athens -Greece with the purpose to create and control several new bases, to be ready for attacking Russia.

Enough education for you today.... go and start learning.......and you will soon realise what will happen to your society........ with your Democratic president, who is already i the pocket of the Chinese....

Have a nice day!

  

[AvHdB]

While V. Putin has brought to the forefront the Russian’s perceived security fears. It should be noted that Ukraine is surrounded by offensive Russian weapons on three sides. The reality is with each day that V. Zelensky wins, without bloodshed it becomes more difficult for V. Putin, to launch an effective offensive till the fall.

Time is on the Ukrainian’s side.

[Wiz]

WATCH US troops land in Europe
American soldiers sent by President Biden to reinforce
the US’ NATO allies have touched down in Germany


Members of the US Army's 18th Airborne Corps arrive in Wiesbaden,
 Germany, 4 February 2022 © Twitter / US Army Europe and Africa

Soldiers with the US Army’s 18th Airborne Corps touched down at Wiesbaden Army Airfield on Friday, unloading vehicles and equipment from military transport planes. The soldiers are the first of 2,000 US troops ordered to NATO countries in Eastern Europe amid ongoing tensions between Washington and Moscow over Ukraine.

According to the US’ European Command, the soldiers will set up a headquarters in Germany, while 1,700 paratroopers with the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division head to Poland, which borders Ukraine. Altogether, 2,000 troops from Fort Bragg in North Carolina will head to Europe over the coming days.

Germany: First US troops land in Wiesbaden amid Ukraine-Russia crisis

The deployment is intended to “deter and defend against any aggression” from the Russian military, said the White House, which maintains that Russia is planning an attack on Ukraine. Moscow has denied these claims, and rubbished allegations by US intelligence agencies that it is planning on staging a ‘false flag’ incident to justify such an attack.

The US maintains that Ukraine should be allowed to join the NATO alliance, something that Russia has for decades deemed an unacceptable threat to its security. Throughout negotiations, Moscow has demanded that the US and NATO halt the continued expansion of the Cold War-era alliance, but leaders in Washington and Brussels have refused to consider such a move.

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko has called the US deployment a “destructive step” that would only “delight” the Ukraine's pro-Western government, as well as “increase military tension and reduce the margin for political solutions.”

So the picture is getting more clear:

Western Europe is invaded by immigrants and refugees, and Eastern Europe is occupied by US troops (under the NATO program). The situation is beginning to become more certain that there will be a war - and this is how ww3 will begin.

The USA - Zionist Empire was responsible for the Coup d'état in 2014 and now the Democratic Alzheimer elected President are primarily responsible for what will happen next.

Of course we now must know, American-Zionist propaganda tell us, that crazy Putin and his intransient behaviour are primarily responsible for what will happen next, if anything happen!

Remeber it was Hillary in Libya and also was Obama too the one who regime-changed Ukraine in 2014! So What you don't understand?

It's the economy stupid!!! The USA simply cannot survive without a war!!!!.

Check the history after the WWII.   


PS: just wonder why Petro Poroshenkothe  Ex-president returned to Ukraine?

[AvHdB]

Wiz, time to take your shoes and socks off. It’s Maths time!

There are over 100,000 Russian Offensive forces on three sides of Ukraine. There are zero (0) NATO or US forces in Ukraine. There are on rotation some +/- 30,000 NATO/US defensive troops on the Western borders of Ukraine, they rotate in and out.

So where/why is this threat to Russia?

[Wiz]

AvHdB Zionist troll, you are so ignorant and brainless that I always have to laugh with your perceived as devious but in reality silly posts you make.!

For a starters, obviously you have not read my previous and other posts on the subject Ukraine, or if you did you did not understand anything or my messages.

My advice is , stop posting crap and go back and read the facts, which it's obvious you can not comprehend and goes over your head.

In the Last Minsk agreement Russia demanded No NATO expansion in the European countries who have common frontiers with Russia and what the west did, via EU accepted them as members and then NATO made bases, in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Romania but Ukraine was not accepted. etc. Russia complained and you started having exercises in all these new NATO countries but nothing really happened.

Then in 2013-2014 the Jewish Mafia which controls the Democratic Party decided it was time to bring Ukraine into your control because, despite the Orange revolution and the calm relation between Russia and Ukraine, you decided to take full control and install your own government ,with the "Chazarian Jews" Petro Poroshenko, Shisko etc, organised your coup d'etat, got rid of President Viktor Yanukovych.

For your bad luck Putin had already smelled rat and while he was playing with the Shochi Olympics, Russia was ready and paid you back for you nasty uncivilised  behaviour. No NATO member leader accepted his invitation and went to Shochi, so when he received the call from Viktor Yanukovych that he is running for his life, a helicocpter went at Belbek airport [outside Sevastopol]and picked him up.....and took him to Rostov on Danu. I am sure you must remember what happen after that.....Russians with out a shot took control of Crimea......sorry Tavrida in Greek, soon they had an official referendum and 2 days later joined mother Russia.

Ever since the American dogs keep barking but Putin err Russia stick it up Obamma's and all NATO leaders back side. and of course organised their Army in the South west of his country to protect his country....and NATO and America keep looking!

Russia made clear when they signed the Minsk Agreement in the presence of Mrs Merkel that UKraine will never be a NATO Memeer.. otherwise he will invade the country and your president and NATO, including UK sends military help to Ukraine  costing USA and all other NATO countries plenty of Money... Dollar??

Meanwhile read and learn the History. there never was an independent country called UKRAINE.

Russia and China have made an official announcement that both countries are supporting each other

Suggest you go back and read my previous post ESPECIALLY the part: So the picture is getting more clear:

Then search and find the comments made today by Maria Zakharova, maybe then you will understand that the Bear is playing the tambourine and the NATO + USA  dancing and it's NOT the other way around and while you doing that continue spending money you don't have transporting soldiers etc around. the world while the bear is laughing.

LATEST NEWS.......... from MAIL on LINE (British Right wing paper)

Biden says Putin wants what he ‘cannot get’ and White House warns Russia could invade Ukraine ‘any day now’

TASS
West to sacrifice Ukraine for political campaign — Russian Foreign Ministry

According to Maria Zakharova, the West deprives Kiev of investments and the opportunity for integration with the Western community by declaring the possibility of Russia's attack against Ukraine

I am wearing some nice hot shoks made by my dear Russian wife, who is also a Teacher of mathematics and she told my Maths......is very good>

here is something to make you start thinking......before you open your mouth!



 

[cufflinks]

Biden warns Americans in Ukraine to 'leave now' ahead of potential Russian invasion.  Biden will not risk WWIII with Russia to evac Americans who do not leave now!

[Contrarian]

Biden warns Americans in Ukraine to 'leave now' ahead of potential Russian invasion.  Biden will not risk WWIII with Russia to evac Americans who do not leave now!

Screw Biden.

Who cares what that demented guy says? JAD and any other Americans in Ukraine are adults and can think for themselves.

[andrewfi]

I don't get it. The UK and US are painting themselves into a corner with this rhetoric.

I get the motivation, but it seems desperate rather than confident. In order for the Russian government to make the UK and US look like kids crying wolf all that needs to happen is - nothing.

What's Biden going to say when the Olympics end and the world has not ended?

The only way this works is if a big old false flag is on its way. And, as we know the Russians and leaders of the LDR/DPR have flagged this possibility in some detail.

[2tallbill]

Biden warns Americans in Ukraine to 'leave now' ahead of potential Russian invasion.  Biden will not risk WWIII with Russia to evac Americans who do not leave now!

He wouldn't risk conflict with the Taliban to save Americans either.

[2tallbill]

What's Biden going to say when the Olympics end and the world has not ended?

Biden has an approval rating in the high 30's. Everything he is doing domestically is
ineffective, unpopular and makes things worse.

His administration's incoherent babbling about Ukraine/Russian is akin to
coughing to cover up the sound of his fart, (his domestic policies).

[andrewfi]

I don't get it. The UK and US are painting themselves into a corner with this rhetoric.

I get the motivation, but it seems desperate rather than confident. In order for the Russian government to make the UK and US look like kids crying wolf all that needs to happen is - nothing.

What's Biden going to say when the Olympics end and the world has not ended?

The only way this works is if a big old false flag is on its way. And, as we know the Russians and leaders of the LDR/DPR have flagged this possibility in some detail.

It is a tad concerning that the Russian embassy in Kiev is now reducing its consular presence. No, I do not think that's because they're going to launch an attack on Ukraine, but it certainly suggests that they have reason to be concerned for the safety of their staff and, historically, the Russians have tended to be fairly resistant to security pressures.

Something is going on.

[Contrarian]

Biden warns Americans in Ukraine to 'leave now' ahead of potential Russian invasion.  Biden will not risk WWIII with Russia to evac Americans who do not leave now!

He wouldn't risk conflict with the Taliban to save Americans either.

So there. 

[Chris]

I don't get it. The UK and US are painting themselves into a corner with this rhetoric.

I get the motivation, but it seems desperate rather than confident. In order for the Russian government to make the UK and US look like kids crying wolf all that needs to happen is - nothing.

What's Biden going to say when the Olympics end and the world has not ended?

The only way this works is if a big old false flag is on its way. And, as we know the Russians and leaders of the LDR/DPR have flagged this possibility in some detail.

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It is a tad concerning that the Russian embassy in Kiev is now reducing its consular presence. No, I do not think that's because they're going to launch an attack on Ukraine, but it certainly suggests that they have reason to be concerned for the safety of their staff and, historically, the Russians have tended to be fairly resistant to security pressures.

Something is going on.

Looks like it!......FWIW - my wife flew back from Ukraine yesterday, we did consider booking her flight for this Monday, but then decided against it. Prior to her going out there a couple of weeks ago, the word on the local grapevine was that China had asked Russia not to start anything whilst the Olympics were on, being held in Beijing at the moment, whether that is true who knows, however, there is an IOC tradition of calling on all nations to observe a truce during Olympic tournaments and throughout history, this has been more or less complied with, except that is for on two occasions, when this truce was broken both times by guess who?....yes Russia, in Ossetia 2008 and Ukraine 2014, both times Russia started hostilities on the Wednesday before the games ended, so look out for something happening next Wednesday.

[Markje]

It is a tad concerning that the Russian embassy in Kiev is now reducing its consular presence. No, I do not think that's because they're going to launch an attack on Ukraine, but it certainly suggests that they have reason to be concerned for the safety of their staff and, historically, the Russians have tended to be fairly resistant to security pressures.

Something is going on.

Would those massive protests against Zelensky that we don't hear about have anything to do with it?

Also: KLM and other dutch airlines no longer operate on Ukraine. So if you want to get there, UIA is the only way to go.

Mark.

[Markje]

My extended family and friends all said do not come to Crimea if you have no tickets yet.

Concerning words.