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Russia Losing in Ukraine
« on: January 11, 2022, 06:17:34 AM »

Russian GDP before it invaded Ukraine in 2013 was 2.3 trillion dollars. Russia GDP today less than 1.5 trillion dollars. Before 2013 Russian GDP was growing after 2013 Russian GDP in decline. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/gdp-gross-domestic-product It is much worse than that as the USA dollar has lost a lot of its value since 2013.

Ukraine GDP in 2014 was 91 billion dollars to today it is 200 billion dollars. Notice Russia's GDP declines and Ukraine grows by more than 100 per cent. Proof Russia is really losing war with Ukraine. I bet you do not read this in RT news. https://www.bing.com/search?q=gdp+of+ukraine+2021&form=ANNTH1&refig=4c9080d562f74792abe0d8fa52a0a912&sp=3&qs=UT&pq=gdp+of+ukraine&sk=EP1UT1&sc=8-14&cvid=4c9080d562f74792abe0d8fa52a0a912

Another invasion of Ukraine likely to have same effect and further reduce Russian GDP. Russia needs this war in Ukraine to cover up the facts it is becoming a failing nation.  It is at the beginning to feel the collapse of its working age population in addition to keep neighbor countries in its sphere of influence at a cost to it rather than a benefit. Militarily it might seem to be a befit to have these countries under its control but long term it is a disaster.

Kazakhstan is latest example of a long-term problem to Russia. This is a country has a pro-Russian government in a country that is 80 per cent Muslim. There is surely not going to be any elections here. Meanwhile the countries Russian population is in decline while its Muslin population is increasing. The current dictator, one of the most corrupt in the world, has been in power for a long time and is getting old. It appears over the next decades it will become increasingly more expensive for Russia to keep this country in its sphere of influence.  Meanwhile China wants this country under its control.

Russia is pumping a bunch of money into Syria. It is just another expense in order to appear worldly and powerful. Militarily it looks great, but it just cost the country money it really does not have when you consider everything else.

Belarus was just fine when Russia was paying enough to be in their spere of influence. When the payments became not so much then the people complained about fake elections. Going forward it is likely to cost Russia more to keep this country under its sphere of influence because look at all the good things happening in Poland just next door and not so much happening in Belarus.

Ukraine war nowhere near ending. It is a cost to Russia to constantly support the Donbas region adventure. Militarily the war continues over the years with no end in sight. It is becoming hard to say they are protecting Russian speakers and Russian are not understand why this war continues against people they do not see as a threat. The area is under population collapse having its population go from 6 million to just 2.5 million people with much of the remaining population very old. But it is an additional expense to Russia and any new territory they take will likely have the same outcome and require more money to support. 




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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2022, 06:32:02 AM »
It is an interesting viewpoint and in the big picture has some validity. Worth noting going back to 18th century Russia has had some connection to Syria.

The relationship with Ukraine is in my opinion damaged beyond possible repair. Though restoring the infrastructure of the Donbas will be 100’s of billion Euro’s.

If one looks at Vietnam as a country today than it can be stated that in fact Russia/China lost and the West won.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 07:19:31 AM »
Worth considering the GDP of Russia is to large degree related to the price of oil and gas. While it indeed has increased in the last 9 months, this is not entirely reflected in the numbers that Texan notes.

What is more of concern Russia it seems is not able on a large scale export anything. It is fine and dandy to export caviar but a product such as vacuum cleaners or automobiles seems to be impossible.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2022, 10:19:12 AM »
Worth considering the GDP of Russia is to large degree related to the price of oil and gas. While it indeed has increased in the last 9 months, this is not entirely reflected in the numbers that Texan notes.

What is more of concern Russia it seems is not able on a large scale export anything. It is fine and dandy to export caviar but a product such as vacuum cleaners or automobiles seems to be impossible.


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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 10:53:14 AM »
AvHdB, erm, no.

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/exports-by-category

Click around a little, explore.

Russia does, of course, have a significant part of its GDP based upon the processing and export of fossil fuels but it is no longer dominant within the economy. Click on the graphs and see what is happening.

Also, the economy is focussing on import substitution. I have written about the way that the Russian economy is one of the few advanced economies where autarky is a workable option. Since I started banging on about that many years ago, the country has been forced into import substitution (autarky). To that end, many products manufactured in Russia are used within Russia. Exports come later. On the whole, that's a good thing as it leads to diversification and expansion of the productive base which has transformed the economy and will continue to do so.

Also worth noting is that although prices for gas have increased hugely in the EU and now elsewhere, Russia does not see much benefit from it. In very large part, the prices for Russian sourced gas are fixed contractually but more significantly, the prices we are seeing in Europe are largely due to price increases imposed by intermediaries who are benefiting hugely from arbitrage opportunities. That's why, for example, in the UK where IIRC about 4% of natural gas is sourced from directly from Russia yet the prices have increased hugely.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2022, 08:53:14 PM »
While you might like to fantasize a bit, does Russia have an ASML, MIELE or for that matter BIC? The answer is no, yes it produces products for the home market that are often copies of Western products that are second rate. The average Russian citizen would rather shop at IKEA.

Okay they make glass tea cups!

There is a porcelain production company in St. Petersburg called Lomonosov, the quality produced today is sub par compared to what was produced 40 years ago.

Tell me about a Russian automobile that can compare to either a Ford Explorer or Range Rover Evoque.

As far as I can see Russia loses the brightest and often the most beautiful to the West.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 09:53:42 PM »
While you might like to fantasize a bit, does Russia have an ASML, MIELE or for that matter BIC? The answer is no, yes it produces products for the home market that are often copies of Western products that are second rate. The average Russian citizen would rather shop at IKEA.

Okay they make glass tea cups!

There is a porcelain production company in St. Petersburg called Lomonosov, the quality produced today is sub par compared to what was produced 40 years ago.

Tell me about a Russian automobile that can compare to either a Ford Explorer or Range Rover Evoque.

As far as I can see Russia loses the brightest and often the most beautiful to the West.


Oh dear Bill, failed again......
Miele, AEG/Electrolux, Bosch/Siemens are only some of the electrics/white goods manufacturers in Russia...
There are also plenty or first class porcelain manufacturers who's products are as good as, if not better than other world wide manufacturers..
Ref your Ford Explorer, pre 2013, the vehicles arrived in Russia semi built and finished in Russia, post 2013, they were fully assembled, and post 2019, fully produced in Russia...
Range rovers in Russia are NOT a safe buy, any of the models, with the exception of discovery/old defender, although super vehicles, IMHO, they cannot/do not survive without many workshop visits which are extremely expensive... (Got the T shirt)...
Ref IKEA, firstly you must know that Russia hosts several manufacturing sites, much of the produce is exported, also, the days of Russians seeing Ikea as some sort of shopping haven are long gone, better stuff made by other (and foreign on soil) companies is available and much more appreciated...
Your final comment is total BS....
HTH your obvious anti-Russian narrative seemingly based on a distinct lack of knowledge in Russian affairs..
It may be a good idea for you to refrain from visiting Russia until you have opened your eyes as to life in Russia..
Btw, my 11 yrs old x5 has angel eyes, built in Kaliningrad, now with 225,000km on the clock, with no real major repairs needed during this period...
There is much more to Russia, its manufacturing and its life than meets the eyes, maybe you should start learning...
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 10:13:56 PM »
While you might like to fantasize a bit, does Russia have an ASML, MIELE or for that matter BIC? The answer is no, yes it produces products for the home market that are often copies of Western products that are second rate. The average Russian citizen would rather shop at IKEA.

Okay they make glass tea cups!

There is a porcelain production company in St. Petersburg called Lomonosov, the quality produced today is sub par compared to what was produced 40 years ago.

Tell me about a Russian automobile that can compare to either a Ford Explorer or Range Rover Evoque.

As far as I can see Russia loses the brightest and often the most beautiful to the West.


Oh dear Bill, failed again......
Miele, AEG/Electrolux, Bosch/Siemens are only some of the electrics/white goods manufacturers in Russia...
There are also plenty or first class porcelain manufacturers who's products are as good as, if not better than other world wide manufacturers..
Ref your Ford Explorer, pre 2013, the vehicles arrived in Russia semi built and finished in Russia, post 2013, they were fully assembled, and post 2019, fully produced in Russia...
Range rovers in Russia are NOT a safe buy, any of the models, with the exception of discovery/old defender, although super vehicles, IMHO, they cannot/do not survive without many workshop visits which are extremely expensive... (Got the T shirt)...
Ref IKEA, firstly you must know that Russia hosts several manufacturing sites, much of the produce is exported, also, the days of Russians seeing Ikea as some sort of shopping haven are long gone, better stuff made by other (and foreign on soil) companies is available and much more appreciated...
Your final comment is total BS....
HTH your obvious anti-Russian narrative seemingly based on a distinct lack of knowledge in Russian affairs..
It may be a good idea for you to refrain from visiting Russia until you have opened your eyes as to life in Russia..
Btw, my 11 yrs old x5 has angel eyes, built in Kaliningrad, now with 225,000km on the clock, with no real major repairs needed during this period...
There is much more to Russia, its manufacturing and its life than meets the eyes, maybe you should start learning...


BMW X5's are now built in Russia, in Kaliningrad?  That's totally cool and I would love to tour that factory!

Yeah I have lately been of the opinion that Russia has changed a lot in the past 10 years and that unless somebody has actually lived there the past few years they really are not aware of all of the improvements and changes.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2022, 05:32:25 AM »
Avhdb, go do the learning. It ain't hard. Start with the link I helpfully provided. Read Gipsy's post.

Self-enforced ignorance supports only your prejudices. Facts don't care what you think.

No need for you to apologise for your laziness and inadequacy. It's tough to admit that one is wrong and few are strong enough to do as I do.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2022, 09:25:45 AM »
A thought crossed my mind earlier today.

AvHdB was criticising Russia because he couldn't buy a Russian made dishwasher wherever he lives.

I'd pointed out that for many items manufactured in Russia domestic consumption is the primary focus.

It occurred to me that people like avhdb might see that as a bad thing. So I thought I'd very briefly explain why that's not so. Bear in mind that this is not a paid for commentary or paper, it's a forum post...

Russia already has a very strong balance of payments ledger. They export a lot of stuff for a lot of money and import less than they export.
So, they do not need to export to increase their holdings of foreign exchange or to finance economic expansion. These are the primary drivers of export growth - to pay for future economic growth and, in extremis, to pay for current consumption.

A good example of that need was the UK after WW2 when the UK had a mantra of export or die. It was literally true. The UK was so short of money that the overall economy was in danger of collapse.

Britain sacrificed the living standards of its citizens by exporting goods that were badly needed in the UK. That's not the Russian case at all.

Pursuing autarky is not however the first best option for Russia but it has been forced on the country by the United States.

Autarkybis thus a reaction to external forces. Given that the country has a strong balance of payments it makes sense for Russian businesses to build and meet domestic demand. It also enables the country to focus on building quality and productivity in the market where costs are lowest.

On the whole, Russian exports are of very high quality - often technologically unique. Russian producers have skills to make goods that cannot be emulated elsewhere. For example metallurgy, space technology, weapons.

What's the point of trying to compete on an equal footing in export markets with consumer commodity goods such as dishwashers or home laundry?

I expect that Russia will never be a huge exporter of white goods. Nor be significant in consumer electronics. They are already producing many such items, primarily for domestic consumption but as Gipsy pointed out there are quite a few goods that are what we might call invisible exports. Goods that, unless we look closely we'd not know they came from Russia.

That's kinda like most people still think their new Volvo or Polestar cars come from the EU. Or that their Tesla Model 3 is uniquely US made. Much of the production of those is Chinese.

Soon Tesla will be exporting entire Model 3s from China to the US, rather than just components and assemblies.

Even agricultural products are now invisibly part of what many people eat - Russia is now the swing exporter of grain to the world. Just a few years ago it was a net importer of grain.

The machinery that does the heavy work on farms is now Russian made and guess what, demand for that machinery is such that exports are hardly a priority.

To be fair, the opportunity for this to happen was derived from the foreign exchange from fossil fuels. Just as North Sea oil enabled a change in the structure of the British and Norwegian economies in the late 60s and 70s.

In case anyone is wondering why or how that's different to the USA. Bear in mind that we do not see much in the way of consumer level goods from the USA around the world - much like Russia.

Well, the difference comes down to the balance of payments. For all its exports of primary goods such as fossil fuels, timber and grain, the USA has a terrible balance of payments.

Somehow, the USA must either decrease spending or increase productivity such that its manufacturers are viable and in demand on world markets - or go bust.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2022, 03:07:01 PM »

Russian GDP before it invaded Ukraine in 2013 was 2.3 trillion dollars. Russia GDP today less than 1.5 trillion dollars. Before 2013 Russian GDP was growing after 2013 Russian GDP in decline. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/gdp-gross-domestic-product It is much worse than that as the USA dollar has lost a lot of its value since 2013.

Ukraine GDP in 2014 was 91 billion dollars to today it is 200 billion dollars. Notice Russia's GDP declines and Ukraine grows by more than 100 per cent. Proof Russia is really losing war with Ukraine. I bet you do not read this in RT news. https://www.bing.com/search?q=gdp+of+ukraine+2021&form=ANNTH1&refig=4c9080d562f74792abe0d8fa52a0a912&sp=3&qs=UT&pq=gdp+of+ukraine&sk=EP1UT1&sc=8-14&cvid=4c9080d562f74792abe0d8fa52a0a912

Another invasion of Ukraine likely to have same effect and further reduce Russian GDP. Russia needs this war in Ukraine to cover up the facts it is becoming a failing nation.  It is at the beginning to feel the collapse of its working age population in addition to keep neighbor countries in its sphere of influence at a cost to it rather than a benefit. Militarily it might seem to be a befit to have these countries under its control but long term it is a disaster.

Kazakhstan is latest example of a long-term problem to Russia. This is a country has a pro-Russian government in a country that is 80 per cent Muslim. There is surely not going to be any elections here. Meanwhile the countries Russian population is in decline while its Muslin population is increasing. The current dictator, one of the most corrupt in the world, has been in power for a long time and is getting old. It appears over the next decades it will become increasingly more expensive for Russia to keep this country in its sphere of influence.  Meanwhile China wants this country under its control.

Russia is pumping a bunch of money into Syria. It is just another expense in order to appear worldly and powerful. Militarily it looks great, but it just cost the country money it really does not have when you consider everything else.

Belarus was just fine when Russia was paying enough to be in their spere of influence. When the payments became not so much then the people complained about fake elections. Going forward it is likely to cost Russia more to keep this country under its sphere of influence because look at all the good things happening in Poland just next door and not so much happening in Belarus.

Ukraine war nowhere near ending. It is a cost to Russia to constantly support the Donbas region adventure. Militarily the war continues over the years with no end in sight. It is becoming hard to say they are protecting Russian speakers and Russian are not understand why this war continues against people they do not see as a threat. The area is under population collapse having its population go from 6 million to just 2.5 million people with much of the remaining population very old. But it is an additional expense to Russia and any new territory they take will likely have the same outcome and require more money to support.

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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2022, 04:09:59 PM »
While Andrew makes some valid points, the simple reality is Russia for generations can not invent, bring to market and export a product. Ok glass tea cups.

There is not an equivalent of Apple or ASML in Russia. In fact though the Soviet Union was one of the first Nations to splash the Apple hardware.  There is not a MIELE or GM equivalent in Russia designed and built purely as Russian product. Certainly they can produce for there own domestic market a dishwasher, foodstuffs or garments.

Please do explain where a BMW X 5 is designed and engineered. Worth noting GM did assemble vehicles in Kalingrad/Koningsberg but the design occurred and component production took place in the US. To give some perspective LADA the last time I looked is owned by the French, I seem to recall Renault.

Farm production depends often on the cards one draws, a good year or two and you can export, otherwise one needs to import.

It is not an anti-Russian post just simple realities and facts.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
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RUSSIA v US & NATO
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2022, 10:15:53 PM »
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As a diversion of my normal occupation, when I can’t sleep, have been reading the RUA new posts. Soon I come to realise that the brainwashed Americans, from their Zionist owned MM/Radio/Tv etc, together with the RUA Comet Member/Fandom, Mr B.B know all with his vulgar attacks against other members of the Board, as they have nothing to support the US position regarding the USA confrontation with Russia in Ukraine, decided to start trolling the views of serious posters, like Andrew, Mark etc……. So to avoid all their crap, on the other thread that I started earlier too ……decided to post here as more appropriate and added a new name for the title,  (see the New title above ).

Due to the seriousness of the situation of the East v West/NATO confrontation and obsession with the brainless insistence of the Alzheimer president of the USA to play the game for their huge Defence industry.

If the US/NATO send more troops and weapons to Ukraine, the logical and only solution is for Russia to undertake PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKES, -along the lines of Israel who regularly doing 'pre-emptive strikes' against Iran and Syria. Israel gets away with these outrageous attacks because it is backed by the US.

Of course Russia can do it too, for its actual and vital defence because it WILL BE backed by China, Iran and N.Korea etc and Putin already offered to the Cold War fun club, in Kazakhstan, his resolve and how organised and ready Russia is. Of course China etc have NO CHOICE in backing Russia, because if they don't, they know they will be next on the list for Western style regime change. I hope China etc are preparing themselves for this too but probably are ready after the warning to USA regarding Taiwan. It is a crunch year and unless Westerners wake up and rein-in hegemonic, suicidal maniacs like Biden, Blinken and Stoltenburg, we will, probably, experience WW3.

Russia in clear way for the whole world to see asked to leave them alone but arrogant west refuses so I am asking all Yankee and NATO lovers, on this site, what do you expect next?

Russia for many years was nice to you because of very patient man in Moscow. This man did his best to explain collective west what is two plus two. Stupidity in the west is so high that he failed in doing so. When Putin displayed his latest weapons/technology in 2018. you all laughed or paid no attention. When finally Pentagon woke up and said they may really have what they say they have, it was too late.

All Russian forces based on land, sea, submarine and air are being modernised with latest hypersonic missile technology in conventional and nuke form. All Yankee hypersonic missile technology tests failed so far.

Russian Strategic air defence Intercontinental land based ballistic missile force is 80% modernised, compare to Yankee Pershing missiles being 50 years old.

Electronic warfare and high power energy beams. Russia is far ahead. Air defence. S400 - S500 are high tech results of old Soviet SAMs. Back then attacking  the backside  of Geary Powers and John McCain. Yankee Patriots were no match.

My previous comment regarding US and NATO boats in the Black sea are sitting ducks......was laughed by the pro - Americans but I will suggest... keep your eyes open.

Russian land based, Bastion or Hypersonic air launched Kinzal conventionally tipped missiles are the end of the road for Yankee carriers or their navy. Three working Yankee carriers are floating coffins for the entire crew. This is how Putins two plus two lesson to the west may end up.

I will agree, but how can you explain this to brainwashed Americans, who believe in superior US high tech military and argue that the US had hypersonic missiles since the late 1950s.

Putin once said; 'It's hard to argue people who mix up Austria with Australia'.

Unfortunately I see very dark clouds on the horizon. Since the NATO is insisting on poking the Bear and the Bear cannot allow another Barbarossa military build up on her borders, I can see a devastating Russian First Strike with conventional weapons, warning that if they won't surrender nukes will fly too.


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Re: RUSSIA v US & NATO
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2022, 06:34:19 AM »

Due to the seriousness of the situation of the East v West/NATO confrontation and obsession with the brainless insistence of the Alzheimer president of the USA to play the game for their huge Defence industry.

If the US/NATO send more troops and weapons to Ukraine, the logical and only solution is for Russia to undertake PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKES, -along the lines of Israel who regularly doing 'pre-emptive strikes' against Iran and Syria. Israel gets away with these outrageous attacks because it is backed by the US.

Russia in clear way for the whole world to see asked to leave them alone but arrogant west refuses so I am asking all Yankee and NATO lovers, on this site, what do you expect next?

My previous comment regarding US and NATO boats in the Black sea are sitting ducks......was laughed by the pro - Americans but I will suggest... keep your eyes open.

Lets do the easy stuff first

PRESENTLY, there are NO NATO or US bases in Ukraine. Thus there are NO US or NATO troops in Ukraine.

The US and Canada provide defensive military capabilities to Ukraine, this is in fact I believe governed by the Budapest agreement.

On a regular basis NATO troops conduct training on Ukraine soil and this is well published beforehand.

Yes the ‘relationship’ between the US and Israel is not healthy and yes Israel is rarely if ever held accountable for its acts against its neighbors.

Russia has nothing to gain in attacking a foreign countries warship anywhere that is International waters, this includes the Black Sea. Unless it is a vessel such as the US Coast Guard vessel that visited the Bulgaria and Romania they can defend themselves.

Hopefully you can understand this without a full on melt down.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2022, 06:56:21 AM »
Below is a link to how deceitful Russia is. Presently there appear to be zero US Naval vessels on the Black Sea.

https://news.usni.org/2021/06/21/positions-of-two-nato-ships-were-falsified-near-russian-black-sea-naval-base
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2022, 08:56:32 AM »
The planet Earth has been round for billions of years and during that time it has been through plate tectonics, solar flares, mass extinctions, multiple extinction even meteorites , volcanic eruptions, tidal waves North and South Pole flipping, multiple ice ages and so on.. Its still spinning around the Sun ok and will be for about 5 billion more years...lol

Russia has been around for a few thousand years been through revolutions, wars, economic crises , mad dictators, meteor impacts, droughts, ice age and lots more..lol

The US has been around for 150 years  :laugh: Has had nothing happen to it other than a civil war.. that is it one civil poxy war.. I doubt it will even last another 50 years..writing is on the wall..
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2022, 09:58:17 AM »
For Russia it is now or never regarding Ukraine:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/russia-has-a-clear-reason-to-invade-ukraine-now-if-talks-fail/

Nice source Cuffy for THE LINK you  PROVIDED............just had a quick look and that is what I discovered about the site: Screaming from far away, part of the USA existing system for AMERICAN PROPAGANDA........  Please go back to sleep and when you wake up.....we can talk! :Zzzzsleep:

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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2022, 11:18:59 AM »
The planet Earth has been round for billions of years and during that time it has been through plate tectonics, solar flares, mass extinctions, multiple extinction even meteorites , volcanic eruptions, tidal waves North and South Pole flipping, multiple ice ages and so on.. Its still spinning around the Sun ok and will be for about 5 billion more years...lol

Russia has been around for a few thousand years been through revolutions, wars, economic crises , mad dictators, meteor impacts, droughts, ice age and lots more..lol

The US has been around for 150 years  :laugh: Has had nothing happen to it other than a civil war.. that is it one civil poxy war.. I doubt it will even last another 50 years..writing is on the wall..


Actually officially it's about 250 years, since 1976.

The USA first began to be settled by the English over 400 years ago.  :coffeeread:
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Re: RUSSIA v US & NATO
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2022, 11:58:21 AM »

Due to the seriousness of the situation of the East v West/NATO confrontation and obsession with the brainless insistence of the Alzheimer president of the USA to play the game for their huge Defence industry.

If the US/NATO send more troops and weapons to Ukraine, the logical and only solution is for Russia to undertake PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKES, -along the lines of Israel who regularly doing 'pre-emptive strikes' against Iran and Syria. Israel gets away with these outrageous attacks because it is backed by the US.

Russia in clear way for the whole world to see asked to leave them alone but arrogant west refuses so I am asking all Yankee and NATO lovers, on this site, what do you expect next?

My previous comment regarding US and NATO boats in the Black sea are sitting ducks......was laughed by the pro - Americans but I will suggest... keep your eyes open.

Lets do the easy stuff first

PRESENTLY, there are NO NATO or US bases in Ukraine. Thus there are NO US or NATO troops in Ukraine.

The US and Canada provide defensive military capabilities to Ukraine, this is in fact I believe governed by the Budapest agreement.

On a regular basis NATO troops conduct training on Ukraine soil and this is well published beforehand.

Yes the ‘relationship’ between the US and Israel is not healthy and yes Israel is rarely if ever held accountable for its acts against its neighbors.

Russia has nothing to gain in attacking a foreign countries warship anywhere that is International waters, this includes the Black Sea. Unless it is a vessel such as the US Coast Guard vessel that visited the Bulgaria and Romania they can defend themselves.

Hopefully you can understand this without a full on melt down.

Point 1:  When I use larger than 11 points text ...... the owner of this site..... make comments or delete parts of my most......but you are above his riles and criticism.

Point 2: May I remind who started and paid for the uprisng of teh Orange revolusion and later in 2014 for the uprising against the officially elected President Yanukovich?

May I remind you of the video I posted with the speech of the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs of the United States Victoria Nuland (a Jew) where she admited that the USA has spend 2.5 billion dollars.to help UKRAINE to become a democracy!

It wasn't me who planned everything for the uprising in 2014 against the legally elected President Yanukovich, who had to run for his life.. but the American Ambassador Geoffrey Pyat together with Victoria Nulan and finally YOU elected the  khazarian Jew Poroshenko, king of the chocolates......

Point 3: May I remind you that on the 12-13 April 2014 the CIA Director John Brennan had visited Kiev and the attack began hours after the U.S. confirmed that CIA Director John Brennan had visited Kiev  on the weekend of April 12-13 for secret meetings with coup leaders. In other words, Washington gave its approval for the impending attack.

I am sure you are aware and I guess you are approving the 6 Million.....sorry mistake the 10,000
people residents, that were killed in the Dombas -  Kharkov area. It was MarkJE who first reported......long time ago.....must be more by now!

Point 4: When you are not drunk, Read about the Minsk-agreement, signed by Kiev but they don't  implement it! ........  READ the  .Minsk-1 and 2 -agreement

Can anybody trust the Americans and the khazarian Jews of Kiev?

Enough time for you today and do not come back posting  crap!  >:( tiphat
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2022, 01:22:56 PM »
We all understand an accept your using a larger font size. Not a problem for me the bolding is though grotesque and childish. Andrew understands clearly why I post using seraphs.

It is amusing that you do not wish to discuss the points I note above. Suits your MO. If you wish I can post the AIS for the Black Sea, maybe you can find a warship.

The Ukrainian population paid a heavy price for the criminal V. Yanukovych both during his reign and subsequently. Yanukovych tried to steal an election and he lost. Russia also lost but in fact so did Ukraine.

Ukraine has chosen a Democratic path and Western embracing association, it is not running all the time smoothly. But in fact this path is what V. Putin fears the most. Russians see Poland and Ukraine and are distressed at the reality that is the kleptocracy that is Russia today compared to a Democracy.
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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2022, 01:33:44 PM »
The planet Earth has been round for billions of years and during that time it has been through plate tectonics, solar flares, mass extinctions, multiple extinction even meteorites , volcanic eruptions, tidal waves North and South Pole flipping, multiple ice ages and so on.. Its still spinning around the Sun ok and will be for about 5 billion more years...lol

Russia has been around for a few thousand years been through revolutions, wars, economic crises , mad dictators, meteor impacts, droughts, ice age and lots more..lol

The US has been around for 150 years  :laugh: Has had nothing happen to it other than a civil war.. that is it one civil poxy war.. I doubt it will even last another 50 years..writing is on the wall..


Actually officially it's about 250 years, since 1976.

The USA first began to be settled by the English over 400 years ago.  :coffeeread:

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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2022, 01:38:08 PM »
For Russia it is now or never regarding Ukraine:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/russia-has-a-clear-reason-to-invade-ukraine-now-if-talks-fail/

Nice source Cuffy for THE LINK you  PROVIDED............just had a quick look and that is what I discovered about the site: Screaming from far away, part of the USA existing system for AMERICAN PROPAGANDA........  Please go back to sleep and when you wake up.....we can talk! :Zzzzsleep:

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Wizzbuttbanger you old Mega Bold Fonting fossilized YELLING Arsehole Greek Rectal Sex Phooker - People in the USA who yell like you do and disrespect true Combat Warriors eventually get Shot or Firebombed here in the USA which is why we take combat arms very phooking seriously.  Unlike most of you EURO PHOOK SURRENDER MONKEYS willing to get buttgreased by the Rooskies at the first sign of trouble.

Best thing for the USA is to pull out of NATO - quit funding NATO and let the RUSSO-SINO belt and butt boiz blasted roads alliance take over all of EUROPE and AFRICA - will save the USA about $2 Trillion a year in needless defense and trade deficit subsidies.

Putin was merely rattling old Beijing Biden's cage using Ukraine the Same Way the NoRKs would rattle the West's cage with Rockets until Trump told China he will go full nuclear retaliation annihilation if they do not stop little rocket man.

As far as the USA being so far behind Russia and China in Military Technology - Google the UK's Gary McKinnon and discover why the MIC wanted him extradited so badly to stand trial in NSA-MIC controlled courts like the Wikimedia founder Assange.  What did McKinnon discover that the Deep State MIC (Military Industrial Complex) wanted to keep under wraps even today.

Wizzbuttbanger can't see his shoes past his pfat gut so no wonder Wizzer is too ignorant to know of the True Big Picture.

The day the USA fails and falls is the day the entire world dies from airborne nuclear radiation blanketing the earth.

Be careful what you Euro Greek-Way Butt Boiz wish for.

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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2022, 02:30:20 AM »
We all understand an accept your using a larger font size. Not a problem for me the bolding is though grotesque and childish. Andrew understands clearly why I post using seraphs.

It is amusing that you do not wish to discuss the points I note above. Suits your MO. If you wish I can post the AIS for the Black Sea, maybe you can find a warship.

The Ukrainian population paid a heavy price for the criminal V. Yanukovych both during his reign and subsequently. Yanukovych tried to steal an election and he lost. Russia also lost but in fact so did Ukraine.

Ukraine has chosen a Democratic path and Western embracing association, it is not running all the time smoothly. But in fact this path is what V. Putin fears the most. Russians see Poland and Ukraine and are distressed at the reality that is the kleptocracy that is Russia today compared to a Democracy.

When I play in a children's play ground full of trolls, like you,  I use the necessary tools to make deaf or blind people without mental capacity or trolls like you to  understand better my point!  I am not an artist neither a servant of Zionist  Masters, like you. I use my own mind and if that annoys you or you don't like it.... find another playground to play......and more importantly learn to be civilised when you are here and not an idiot when you address me.!

Not afraid to discuss any subject but then I am not in your brain....and if you cannot express your self clearly then it's your fault.

Last try about the boats.

Having watched the video with the Russian plane zooming overhead it was pretty obvious that the US boat had pushed its luck too far and had entered Russian National waters and the Russians dorgot their flowers at home for a nice welcome, actualy they don't give a shit what you are barking about Crimea etc. Nobody gives a shit about your comments any more and Putin makes your Altzimer President to dance "charleston" and obviously your hegemony empire is going down soon.
Lucky that your boat managed to keep the engines running and turned towards Romanian waters for safety..ans if you cannot realise the new circumstances .......your fault NOT MINE.

LITTLE REMINDER: In September 2017 your Government invaded Russian property /a  Consulate in USA and finally closed  down, now you try to close the Consulate in SF California. Well Putin without much fuss ordered your embassy in Russia to reduce its staff of 2000 down to 350 persons equal to their staff in Washington.. At the USA Embassy in Russia you had 2000 personnel staff...... watching every part of Russian state and life........ Guess how many staff are now left in you Moscow Embassy only 350.

Did you read the MINSK 1-2 agreements..... MY God Russia and Putin made you look completely Idiots and you will not try any more to invade Russia space of Influence. I have already alert you But the usual idiots, like you pay No attention.

Now go to sleep and dream about Russian women, and play with your tu tu because you are so ugly that no Russian woman comes near you.

I have more important jobs to do in my life!


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Re: Russia Losing in Ukraine
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2022, 09:40:32 AM »
Did you read the MINSK 1-2 agreements..... MY God Russia and Putin made you look completely Idiots and you will not try any more to invade Russia space of Influence. I have already alert you But the usual idiots, like you pay No attention.

I have more important jobs to do in my life!

Yes I have read them and Russia and there surrogates have voided almost every clause in the Protocols. The Russian politicians are not unlike Italian business partners, shady and untrustworthy.

If you have more important jobs to do please, make sure you wipe your ass before you get off your throne.
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