What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?

[Contrarian]

My wife is Russian but was born in Baku Azerbaijan.  When asked by someone we don't really know, she will say she is  from Azerbaijan because some Americans hate Russians!

The TV and internet tells them to dislike Russians and being good little zombies they oblige. Sad really.

Thank you for your honest answers.... about Zombies that obligate!

I can only imagine or guess of what would have happened if it was me making such  statement!

 

If you made such a statement about chauvinistic Russian zombies and their disrespectful attitudes towards Ukrainians as perpetuated in the Russian media?

Yeah you might be cut off from some nookie by your wife. 

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[andrewfi]

My wife is Russian but was born in Baku Azerbaijan.  When asked by someone we don't really know, she will say she is  from Azerbaijan because some Americans hate Russians!

Similar to the way that quite a few USAians tend to pass themselves off as Canadians when they travel outside the USA. Whether they actually need to do so, I am not sure. Personally, I rather think that those travellers have been affected by the propaganda fed to them.

[andrewfi]

I just saw some comments about the outcome of the meeting today, 10/2/22, between Lavrov and Truss in Moscow. It did not go well.

Lavrov commented that the British side was poorly prepared. During the meeting, he apparently did a sanity test. He asked Liz Truss if the UK was willing to recognise the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Voronezh and Rostov regions. Truss replied in the negative.

The more astute readers will recall that these are heartland regions of Russia. That Liz Truss was so poorly prepared that she did not even know these areas were not part of the areas disputed by the UK displayed a high level of incompetence that led Lavrov to later comment that the talks were "Like A Mute Talking To A Deaf Person".

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5207486

What is the point in these people going to Moscow if they have nothing to add to the dialogue? It looks more akin to posturing for a few media soundbites in the UK than any diplomatic purpose.

[yankee]

My wife is Russian but was born in Baku Azerbaijan.  When asked by someone we don't really know, she will say she is  from Azerbaijan because some Americans hate Russians!

Similar to the way that quite a few USAians tend to pass themselves off as Canadians when they travel outside the USA. Whether they actually need to do so, I am not sure. Personally, I rather think that those travellers have been affected by the propaganda fed to them.

Andrew, are you suggesting that my wife is/was reacting to propaganda?

[Contrarian]

I just saw some comments about the outcome of the meeting today, 10/2/22, between Lavrov and Truss in Moscow. It did not go well.

Lavrov commented that the British side was poorly prepared. During the meeting, he apparently did a sanity test. He asked Liz Truss if the UK was willing to recognise the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Voronezh and Rostov regions. Truss replied in the negative.

The more astute readers will recall that these are heartland regions of Russia. That Liz Truss was so poorly prepared that she did not even know these areas were not part of the areas disputed by the UK displayed a high level of incompetence that led Lavrov to later comment that the talks were "Like A Mute Talking To A Deaf Person".

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5207486

What is the point in these people going to Moscow if they have nothing to add to the dialogue? It looks more akin to posturing for a few media soundbites in the UK than any diplomatic purpose.

Exactly. Pretty pathetic really.

Anyone on this forum (except for Tex) would make a better diplomat than that.

I would be disgusted and just throw her out, were I Lavrov. Just what is the point?

[andrewfi]

Andrew, are you suggesting that my wife is/was reacting to propaganda?

How can I know that?

However, I am very sure that many people saying things like you have reported are. After all, that's the point of propaganda. One is programmed by it.

If one were aware of the propaganda, then one would likely not be affected. The sentiments and attitudes held by those who have been successfully propagandised are honestly held, no matter how erroneous the sentiments and attitudes might be.

Please reread my post above to understand what I wrote.

[yankee]

Andrew, are you suggesting that my wife is/was reacting to propaganda?

How can I know that?

However, I am very sure that many people saying things like you have reported are. After all, that's the point of propaganda. One is programmed by it.

If one were aware of the propaganda, then one would likely not be affected. The sentiments and attitudes held by those who have been successfully propagandised are honestly held, no matter how erroneous the sentiments and attitudes might be.

Please reread my post above to understand what I wrote.

I asked you a simple yes or no question and is seems that you are unwilling or incapable of answering.

[andrewfi]

Yankee, what do you want me to say?

I have no way of knowing whether she has been propagandised or not.

If that is too hard for you, I can only suggest getting in some remedial reading lessons. Don't be ashamed to ask. The average reading standard in the USA is around 6th grade.

[Contrarian]

Yankee, what do you want me to say?

I have no way of knowing whether she has been propagandised or not.

If that is too hard for you, I can only suggest getting in some remedial reading lessons. Don't be ashamed to ask. The average reading standard in the USA is around 6th grade.

Yankee I would take that as a no. 

[andrewfi]

Yankee, what do you want me to say?

I have no way of knowing whether she has been propagandised or not.

If that is too hard for you, I can only suggest getting in some remedial reading lessons. Don't be ashamed to ask. The average reading standard in the USA is around 6th grade.

Yankee I would take that as a no. 

That would be a mistake. I commend you to read my posts above and perhaps to enquire into the possibility of remedial literacy classes. Your local library might be able to help you in that regard.

[Contrarian]

I don't care if it's a yes, a no, a maybe or anything else.

There are at least two parts of literacy: the ability to speak or write in clear understandable English, and the ability to comprehend what one has heard or read.

Here's a suggestion: my written word was directed to Yankee. 

[yankee]

Yankee, what do you want me to say?

I have no way of knowing whether she has been propagandised or not.

If that is too hard for you, I can only suggest getting in some remedial reading lessons. Don't be ashamed to ask. The average reading standard in the USA is around 6th grade.

Then I would suggest that you shut the fku up.

[andrewfi]

Yankee, what do you want me to say?

I have no way of knowing whether she has been propagandised or not.

If that is too hard for you, I can only suggest getting in some remedial reading lessons. Don't be ashamed to ask. The average reading standard in the USA is around 6th grade.

Then I would suggest that you shut the fku up.

Why should your inability to read simple English require me to mute myself?

[andrewfi]

I don't care if it's a yes, a no, a maybe or anything else.

There are at least two parts of literacy: the ability to speak or write in clear understandable English, and the ability to comprehend what one has heard or read.

Here's a suggestion: my written word was directed to Yankee. 

If you have a private message to communicate to a reader of this forum then it is probably a good idea to use the private messaging system.

When you use a public forum then pretty much anyone with a web browser can read and, if they choose, comment or reply to your posts.

The stupid is running high at the moment.

[Steveboy]

We just got 25 sandbags in and picked up some cheap helmets..

Lots of helmets and boots cheap left over from the nazis in 1944..

[cufflinks]

Biden warns Americans to leave Ukraine NOW!

US military will not risk WWII with Russia to evac Yanks who do not leave now.

[Contrarian]

We just got 25 sandbags in and picked up some cheap helmets..

Lots of helmets and boots cheap left over from the nazis in 1944..

I wouldn't be wearing a German helmet in Russia. Some Russian bloke might try to kill you. 

[AvHdB]

We just got 25 sandbags in and picked up some cheap helmets..

Lots of helmets and boots cheap left over from the nazis in 1944..

I wouldn't be wearing a German helmet in Russia. Some Russian bloke might try to kill you. 

  

[Steveboy]

We just got 25 sandbags in and picked up some cheap helmets..

Lots of helmets and boots cheap left over from the nazis in 1944..

I wouldn't be wearing a German helmet in Russia. Some Russian bloke might try to kill you. 

Lots of German boots are appearing all over Siberia due to global warming.. 

[Manny]

I just saw some comments about the outcome of the meeting today, 10/2/22, between Lavrov and Truss in Moscow. It did not go well.

Lavrov commented that the British side was poorly prepared. During the meeting, he apparently did a sanity test. He asked Liz Truss if the UK was willing to recognise the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Voronezh and Rostov regions. Truss replied in the negative.

The more astute readers will recall that these are heartland regions of Russia. That Liz Truss was so poorly prepared that she did not even know these areas were not part of the areas disputed by the UK displayed a high level of incompetence that led Lavrov to later comment that the talks were "Like A Mute Talking To A Deaf Person".

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5207486

What is the point in these people going to Moscow if they have nothing to add to the dialogue? It looks more akin to posturing for a few media soundbites in the UK than any diplomatic purpose.

I agree. She made an absolute and complete tit of herself.

She wants to be party leader and has been busy having herself photographed sat on top of tanks like Maggie did. She probably thought that by going to Russia and scowling in a black fur hat (again like Maggie) on Red Square she would look very Maggie-like and be seen to be "sorting out Putin" or some such.

Utter embarrasment.

[andrewfi]

Apparently, she's running a paid campaign to get her pics on social meeja.