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Re: What's Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2022, 01:28:36 PM »
Until today no offensive weapons by the West have been supplied to Ukraine that I am aware off.

No, the west is arming Ukraine.

The US is funding 5% of their military budget it was reported here a few days ago and arms are being sent says CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/23/politics/ukraine-us-second-weapons-shipment/index.html

And Boris has started arms shipments: https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1483533100542046208

Reported in UK media too: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/17/uk-supplying-ukraine-with-anti-tank-weapons-mps-told

The US reportedly has boots on the ground: https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1485376452451311619

Hunter Biden must need a new job at another Ukrainian utility company to pay for all the hookers and drugs.

This makes interesting reading too, Wapo caught with its pants down publishing warmongering articles by BAE director: https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1485616628230283266

Former US military members. If that is true they are not authorized by the US government to be there, they are free lancers, as AvHdB mentioned.

The anti-tank weapons are defensive. What's wrong, were you hoping that Russia would drive a couple hundred tanks into Ukraine without being blown up by soldiers hoping to do their best to defend the sovereignty of their own country? That's rich.

And both the USA and Germany have been supplying battlefield medical supplies, in the event of an invasion.


BTW I agree about the hypocrisy of the BAE director writing something for WA PO without identifying who he really is.

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2022, 04:28:08 AM »
Looks like Russia is giving the EU/USA a cake of its own making:

A large military sea-excersize has been announced. The Russian fleet will deploy 60 fighter-jets, 180 large ships, over 1000 large guns and 10.000+ soldiers and support of the fleet to:

International waters just off the coast of south-ireland. Although Russia assured Ireland it has nothing to fear, the military capability to fire upon irish coasts is very much present.

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'Not welcome'
The Russian naval exercise at this site is also a cause for concern in Dublin. While the Russians practice outside Ireland's territorial sea, they do so within the Green Island's exclusive economic zone. The Russian navy wants to practice shooting missiles and naval artillery there.

Irish Defense and Foreign Minister Simon Coveney is concerned about Russia's naval exercise.Ⓒ REUTERS
These exercises are "not wanted now", Irish Defense and Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney told the Kremlin at the beginning of this week. "We are not in a position to prevent them, but I have made it unequivocally clear to the Russian ambassador to Ireland that they are not welcome." Coveney, among other things, has ordered air traffic control to divert planes that would fly over the area.

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https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/292353323/ook-kopzorgen-over-russen-op-wereldzeeen

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Re: What's Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2022, 06:10:42 AM »
Former US military members. If that is true they are not authorized by the US government to be there, they are free lancers, as AvHdB mentioned.

What, like little green men?  :prophead:

The anti-tank weapons are defensive.

Weapons are weapons. We don't know what's being sent. What we do know is up to now, Germany and Croatia are having no part of any of it.

Want gas? Stay out of it. That's a lever I'd use too.

What's wrong, were you hoping that Russia would drive a couple hundred tanks into Ukraine without being blown up by soldiers hoping to do their best to defend the sovereignty of their own country? That's rich.

I think you're confusing Donbass with Ukraine.

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Re: What's Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2022, 03:58:06 PM »
Former US military members. If that is true they are not authorized by the US government to be there, they are free lancers, as AvHdB mentioned.

What, like little green men?  :prophead:

The anti-tank weapons are defensive.

Weapons are weapons. We don't know what's being sent. What we do know is up to now, Germany and Croatia are having no part of any of it.

Want gas? Stay out of it. That's a lever I'd use too.

What's wrong, were you hoping that Russia would drive a couple hundred tanks into Ukraine without being blown up by soldiers hoping to do their best to defend the sovereignty of their own country? That's rich.

I think you're confusing Donbass with Ukraine.

Manny your talking the same as before Kyrm.
Russia, goes in takes it over, then sets up a vote it controls,
seems Legit eh :ROFL:

Ukraine is partly a mess, because Russia helped  keep it that way
so it could be controlled, now folks upset Russia is not aloud to control
or enter a Failed state ( Ukraine) Go figure.

The reality is, if Russia leaves Ukraine alone, in time with thier resources
they could grow into a successful country, who wants that ( everyone)
Except Russia. Hmmm me thinks why they are playing this giant game of chicken.
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2022, 05:57:37 PM »
It was the US that moved the goalposts. Crimea had to be done.

This is 100% Odiferous fertilizer.

As to your assertion it was always going to happen, I'd disagree. I don't recall ever reading about or discussing that.

Crimea "had to be done" because - and I have this from the mouths of Russians that I know - "it was always on the agenda, and the opportunity presented itself."


Perhaps your recollection is flakey and you are referring to the referendums the inhabitants of Crimea asked for to rejoin Russia that Ukraine denied?

You mean the unlawful screwjob of a fake "referendum" made in violation of Ukrainian law?  Organizing and holding the referendum on Crimea's accession to Russia was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine.  Per Article 73 of the 1996 Constitution of Ukraine and also Article 3 of the 2012 Ukrainian law, territorial changes can can only be approved via a referendum where all the citizens of Ukraine are allowed to vote, including those that do not reside in Crimea.

Russia invaded Ukraine, illegally seized the Crimea, illegally held a referendum that was always going to go the way they wanted.  There is a process for secession which was not observed, period, full stop, the end.

Who knows?  Maybe an All-Ukraine Referendum would have given the same result.  It changed the balance of power in the remainder of Ukraine to anti-Russian.  I similarly wonder if Tories would mind never losing another election if they let Scotland go.  Ofc, if the EU invaded Scotland and held a vote, my guess is that the English would scream bloody murder over it.

They would be right to do so.  Just like Ukraine is.

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2022, 09:10:47 PM »
It appears that most people seem to forget that Crimea was an Autonomous Republic of Crimea and not under the total control of the Ukrainian Constitution........ and the people of Crimea, a very large Minority had every right to have a referendum, according to the rules of UN. What happened over there it's pretty obvious that the US Hegemon twisted the arms of all other smaller nations who had close supervision of the CIA etc.

Back in 2005 when I was touring Crimea, for expansion of my travel business, I was very surprised to discover that everybody I was coming into contact had a Russian passport and where telling me openly.......about it! Every contract I signed over there was supported by a Russian Passport!

Finally I would suggest everybody on this board to visit the numerous pages on this board to read and learn of what it took place in Kiev in 2014 against the legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych. Mrs Victoria Nulan, the USA ambassador Geoff Pyat and Mr John McCain had nothing to do organising all those demonstrations and killings of so many people.....I guess  all of them must have been decorated with the Medal of Peace for their services by their Government of the time!

Is it a strange coincidence that most people running the Ukraine the past few years after the coup d'etat were almost all Khazarian Jews and attended before the coup d'etat a party and all above mentioned, and more, were present including the current ex boxer mayor of Kiev!........Look this board to see the photos posted .... then.. if they have not been deleted, because I was running my hobby board then......  tiphat
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Re: What's Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #131 on: January 28, 2022, 07:14:38 AM »
Russia moves to decisive action

Putin, at the collegium of the Ministry of Defense on New Year's Eve, for the first time bluntly stated that Russia, in response to the promotion of the military structure into the sphere of influence of Russia and to the aggressive actions of NATO led by the United States, will respond adequately, using not only diplomatic, but also military-technical methods.

And this means that in the event of a conflict, the Russian army will hit the centers of planning and controlling the aggression of the West. That is, strikes will not be carried out on all military bases and not on all large cities, but on strategic facilities from where military operations are planned and from where orders are sent to the troops of Russia's Western opponents and their minions!

Thus, the number of military bases and the number of countries that are part of NATO will be militarily neutralized in one strike, although several missile shock waves from water, from under water, from land, air and space cannot be ruled out!
And the NATO countries, and of course the United States, when discussing Russia's proposals for strategic stability in the world, should first of all think about the losses that they will suffer in the event of a war with Russia and China - it is these geopolitical associations that will collide in the event of hostilities!

Russia in this clash has a great advantage in that its territory is so vast that in any case, even with atomic bombings, some people will survive, while in the United States and especially in Europe, the population density far exceeds the population density of Russia and the atomic the war will destroy most of the inhabitants of these countries.

Those strategists in the West who are constantly pushing Russia around, driving it only into their own borders, should also think about this, which makes it practically defenceless!

I would like to explain why gradually, despite any gestures of friendliness and strategic retreats by Russia, the West is pursuing an aggressive policy, trying not to force Russia to come to terms with the hegemony and geentarmerie functions of the United States and its satellites in relation to the whole world!

... It all started around the eighties of the last century, when the party nomenklatura and top officials came to power in the Soviet Union, who somehow wanted to join the West as partners, albeit younger ones - they were fascinated by the prosperity and satiety of the countries of the "golden billion" , envying the wealth of the Western elites - these, still Soviet philistines, decided to convert power in the Union into material values %u200B%u200Band tried to find in this movement back to the estate state, an ally in the face of the West and, above all, America.

Since the time of Gorbachev, a generation of party members came to power who no longer believed in the ideals of communism and the construction of genuine socialism - in words, these patriots claimed that they had built a nationwide state, that socialism had already been built and was within easy reach of a communist paradise, but the more they talk about it they said, the more obvious their desire for personal well-being became, and flirting with the West allowed them to consider themselves civilized, advanced cosmopolitans, with all the material and power benefits of such a state.

They no longer wanted to work, as the Bolsheviks did after the Revolution, and did not want to die in the event of a war with the West, as communists and Komsomol members died on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War.

They became careerists, strove to get to Moscow, got themselves separate places for recreation, brought in special distributors, which, with a general food shortage, automatically made them a separate layer, reaping all the power benefits of such a state of the country ...

Then came the conceited village boy Gorbachev and flirting with the West turned into a frank surrender of the positions of the USSR, in exchange for the personal glory of a democrat and peacemaker - remember the happy face of this eternal Komsomol member, when the whole West shouted and applauded him, affectionately calling him Gorbiy ...

It was during his time, former Komsomol members were already thrown into power in party and bureaucratic structures accustomed to say one thing, think another, and do a third. All this horde of "foremen of perestroika" thought only about their career, hypocrisy in front of each other, making a party and bureaucratic career through this hypocrisy and hypocrisy.

And then another village boy was found - Yeltsin, also a former Komsomol leader and also conceited, and besides, a narrow-minded party functionary. He led a detachment of Russian nationalists, and playing along with the nationalists in the Soviet republics, he decided to seize power in the country. Obviously, he did this caring only for his career and therefore did not think about the future at all - he wanted to become "Tsar Boris" and for this he was ready for any meanness and betrayal!

In the end, one former Komsomol member, Yeltsin, sat down another Komsomol member, Gorbachev, and, using the support of nationalists from the republics, arranged a shameful sitting in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, as a result of which the Union and the socialist camp, which seemed eternal, collapsed overnight and Russia was left alone, surrounded by a belt of unfriendly limitrophes who received "independence" according to the verdict of this "tsar-drunkard"!

During the reign of Yeltsin, this dictator - "reformer" was surrounded by narrow-minded people from his family clan and such advisers as Burbulis, a former teacher of the history of the CPSU, who did not understand what was happening, and most importantly, did not understand at all the consequences of the counter-revolution and the collapse of the Union, for Russia itself!

And all this court camarilla made an outright fool, a dictator out of the "boss", and gradually, in the terrible nineties, the "new" Russia also began to disintegrate before our eyes!

It cannot be said that in those days there were no protesters against the Yeltsin regime in power, so the execution of the Supreme Council followed, and then the Civil War began in Chechnya, already with Russian nationalists, whom Yeltsin, with his absurd statements like "take as much independence as you can" , fueled nationalist sentiments in the republics. This bloody war ended after the death of "Tsar Boris" tormented by post-alcoholic diseases and pangs of conscience, for the destruction and execution of the White House and its defenders.

This state of collapse and chaos in the country was taken advantage of by the young reformers, led by Yegor Gaidar, who hired American experts and teachers of capitalist reforms in Russia, many of whom directly served in the CIA.
Gaidar, Chubais, Berezovsky, Abramovich and several dozens of young careerists emerged from this muddy environment - specialists in destroying the economy and the country!

Here, I only briefly describe the difficult moments in the modern history of Russia, in fact, many, and of course those who called themselves the intellectual elite of the nation, took part in this process of destroying the Soviet Union!

I cannot but say that reforms were necessary for the USSR back in the days of Brezhnev, that is, at a time when life in the country gradually stopped, there was a gradual separation of power and people, including the party elite and millions of ordinary party members!

Since the time of stagnation, the party machine has already reproduced in the power of mediocrities and philistines, which gave rise not only to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but hundreds and hundreds of young provincials - careerists. They became party and state power, after the death of a generation of old communists who survived the war, which contributed to the emergence of new bureaucrats who turned into outright traitors to the communist idea!
                                                           
It was these "new communists" who ruined the Soviet economy and instead of reforms like those of Deng Xiao Ping, they decided to replace socialism with the original capitalism.

In other words, the reforms expected by all went towards the restoration of capitalism, the power of small-town bourgeois without clan and tribe, and this became the determining reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union!
But Russia was once again lucky - Yeltsin, who no longer understood what he was doing, dying of alcoholism, nevertheless found and chose a former committee member - a young and strong-willed economist and administrator Putin - who became, after the death of Boris Yeltsin, the new President of Russia.

For this rare reasonable act of Yeltsin, the country, for all that, should be grateful to him and excuse at least some of those stupidities and crimes that he committed!
I have written more than once about the merits and demerits of the current President of Russia, and therefore I will not dwell on this ...

Today, the containment of Russia by the hypocritical West, with the help of economic sanctions, has already turned into a real economic-information war, and Russophobia cultivated by the West since the end of Yeltsin's reign has already turned into a hybrid war, which once again put Russia on the brink of destruction.
However, largely due to the reasonable policy of Putin and his associates, today the moment has come when, despite the sanctions, Russia has strengthened and restored the strength of the army, although the internal split in Russian society has not yet been completely overcome.

And Russia finally realized that attempts to improve relations with the West will sooner or later end in war, only on conditions and under circumstances favorable to the West!

In my opinion, this is the main reason why the leadership of the country and the army switched from persuading partners to "live together" to actions to defend their right to sovereignty and independence from the arrogant West, which today, after decades of unequal relations, argues something like this :
"How dare Russia, which we smashed to smithereens in the nineties, try to restore the former status quo again and claim the title of superpower! Now we will show them who is the "king of the hill" in the modern world, first by strangling it with economic sanctions, isolating it from the whole "rest of the world", and then, at an opportune moment, we will bomb it, as Yugoslavia was bombed and destroyed!

By this "common world" they mean, first of all, themselves, and therefore, today's strategists in Washington are trying to realize a long-standing desire to crack down on Russia and the political legacy left after the Second World War, ignoring the UN and creating its pro-Western counterpart - the "union democracies" - which will be completely dependent on the United States and its satellites in Europe ...

... In conclusion of this short and confused article, I want to warn optimists that the struggle against US hegemony is just beginning and this new Cold War may eventually turn into the Third World War. This should be remembered by politicians not only in Russia and China, but above all in Europe and America!


Article posted at the end of December 2021. by Vladimir Kabakov at  "What is the Truth".
and here too: Russia moves to decisive action

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #132 on: January 28, 2022, 11:13:20 AM »
It is seems Wiz is on the sidelines cheering on for a battle between Russia and it’s supposed enemies. Nothing surprising there.

The reality is though it is not the politicians or bankers who suffer but rather the common folk. Reading the rather disjointed article posted above I can not find any academic credentials for Vladimir Kabakov. Anyone else want search and discover who he is, credentials or political affiliations?
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #133 on: January 28, 2022, 11:25:34 AM »
. . . legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych . . .

Lets do simples here the convicted criminal V. Yanukovych was stripped by his own party of his position and ordered to stand trial in court in Kiev. He choose to run like a scarred dog to Russia.

Here is an interesting fact guess where V. Yanukovych is from ? . . . the Donbas, well what a surprise (and in my opinion he is a traitor to the citizens of Ukraine.)

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2022, 12:04:25 PM »
. . . legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych . . .

Lets do simples here the convicted criminal V. Yanukovych was stripped by his own party of his position and ordered to stand trial in court in Kiev. He choose to run like a scarred dog to Russia.

Here is an interesting fact guess where V. Yanukovych is from ? . . . the Donbas, well what a surprise (and in my opinion he is a traitor to the citizens of Ukraine.)



Once the people of Ukraine saw his opulent mansion on the property he owned they realized he was corrupt to the core. That is if they had not already realized that. However there's no doubt that the people who replaced him are also thieves. So then the question is, was it worth it?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/former-president-viktor-yanukovychs-sprawling-mansion-now-abandoned

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #135 on: January 28, 2022, 12:14:06 PM »
. . . legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych . . .

Lets do simples here the convicted criminal V. Yanukovych was stripped by his own party of his position and ordered to stand trial in court in Kiev. He choose to run like a scarred dog to Russia.

Here is an interesting fact guess where V. Yanukovych is from ? . . . the Donbas, well what a surprise (and in my opinion he is a traitor to the citizens of Ukraine.)



Once the people of Ukraine saw his opulent mansion on the property he owned they realized he was corrupt to the core. That is if they had not already realized that. However there's no doubt that the people who replaced him are also thieves. So then the question is, was it worth it?

That is a core problem with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact most nations were able to replace the Communist Party structure with reformed political foundations. If one compares say Poland and The Czech Republic with say Belarus and Ukraine the contrast is clear. Are the governments in Warsaw and Praag perfect, no. They are responsive to the public though.

In fits and starts Kiev moves in this direction and I suspect this is what scares Putin the most.
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #136 on: January 28, 2022, 12:37:20 PM »
. . . legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych . . .

Lets do simples here the convicted criminal V. Yanukovych was stripped by his own party of his position and ordered to stand trial in court in Kiev. He choose to run like a scarred dog to Russia.

Here is an interesting fact guess where V. Yanukovych is from ? . . . the Donbas, well what a surprise (and in my opinion he is a traitor to the citizens of Ukraine.)



Once the people of Ukraine saw his opulent mansion on the property he owned they realized he was corrupt to the core. That is if they had not already realized that. However there's no doubt that the people who replaced him are also thieves. So then the question is, was it worth it?

That is a core problem with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact most nations were able to replace the Communist Party structure with reformed political foundations. If one compares say Poland and The Czech Republic with say Belarus and Ukraine the contrast is clear. Are the governments in Warsaw and Praag perfect, no. They are responsive to the public though.

In fits and starts Kiev moves in this direction and I suspect this is what scares Putin the most.



Probably so. I read an article the other day that although the Soviet Union ended the ancestors of the people who committed genocide against the Russian and Ukrainian people are still in power throughout Russia. There's never been an accounting for what they did to millions of innocent people.

What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will be non-functional on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

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https://news.yahoo.com/state-dept-vows-nord-stream-220026490.html


https://news.yahoo.com/consequences-nord-stream-2-russia-170327411.html

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #137 on: January 28, 2022, 12:45:17 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #138 on: January 28, 2022, 02:06:48 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #139 on: January 28, 2022, 03:52:05 PM »
It is seems Wiz is on the sidelines cheering on for a battle between Russia and it’s supposed enemies. Nothing surprising there.

The reality is though it is not the politicians or bankers who suffer but rather the common folk. Reading the rather disjointed article posted above I can not find any academic credentials for Vladimir Kabakov. Anyone else want search and discover who he is, credentials or political affiliations?


Personally I have the mental capacity and ability to read the articles or comments of both sides and then make up my own mind about it! Obviously I am not part of any of the two opposing sides neither happy of what I read and fully understand who was/is behind everything. I am also fully aware that my life will be affected from any action, one way or another, that may be taken over there, from all sides!

History says that most of the politicians, after the declaration of independence in 1991 before V.Yanukovych run for his life, were from Donbus too, as also the Oligarchs behind them.

V. Yanukovych made a big mistake to run away, for his life and he did not stayed to wait for the killers, in his luxury house who were shooting and killing people, to catchup with him. I suggest you search and find where they were trained for 5 years, maybe you know already!

Finnaly I am not sure that all posters on this board have "Academic Credentials" to post comments and their views or anything else foe that matter! 
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #140 on: January 28, 2022, 04:59:57 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.

Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia?

And what do you know about Russia? You don't live there.....  ;D

These two members from USA have visited almost every town and city there  and most importantly have advance knowledge of what President Putin and cronies are planning to do....... IF........they were attacked!

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #141 on: January 28, 2022, 05:52:03 PM »
. . . legally elected Government of  Viktor Yanukovych . . .

Lets do simples here the convicted criminal V. Yanukovych was stripped by his own party of his position and ordered to stand trial in court in Kiev. He choose to run like a scarred dog to Russia.

Here is an interesting fact guess where V. Yanukovych is from ? . . . the Donbas, well what a surprise (and in my opinion he is a traitor to the citizens of Ukraine.)


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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #142 on: January 28, 2022, 07:54:22 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #143 on: January 28, 2022, 08:55:08 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


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I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2022, 11:12:32 PM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       tiphat

I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!



Pretty obvious that the EX-Hegemon USA is still dreaming having a completely control of the whole planet and they can do whatever they like in any other independent state.

Unfortunately for them a new very powerful group has been created (Russia, China, India) who are not afraid to go against the will of the Ex Hegemon USA.

All states involved in this confrontation are independent states and the US together with its NAtO Allies can do nothing more then provoking the Russian Bear.

The truth of the matter is the collapse of the $Dollar is not far!
Soon the USA will have huge inflation economical problems because most countries will not use the Dollar for any trading!.


With reference to the Criminal past of V. Yanukovych I don'r remember seen anything come out in the open. If you have any just let us know, otherwise you are just Liars!

The facts are that we all know, who financed and created the Orange Revolution and then in 2014 all the demos and killings in Ukraine, thanks to Ms Victoria NULAN.... and was the USA via your Ambassandor G. Payat and the jewish Mrs V. NULAN.

Dear B.B any evidence pls? Please enlighten us.!



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PS : I just heard on teh radio LBC, it has been reported that a Russian Submarine passed the straits of the English channel Unnoticed and is doing rocket test on the International waters.......south of Ireland........

I guess the Russians are thick and stupid lot and have not thought anything regarding protection of  their Gas Pipeline  North stream 1 & 2.

Also I just heard on LBC Radio that " The British PM is going to visit Putin for a chat!" may he wants to make a deal to buy some Russian Caviar for his parties on 10 Downing street offices....... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #145 on: January 29, 2022, 03:32:11 AM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


NS1 & 2 are fully insured against damage/destruction and/or sabotage...
Contracts carry clauses called "Force Majeure"..
Intentional/accidental sabotage would likely cause an international incident, whereby those responsible would be found and appropriately punished, also being asked to pay compensation/restitution costs..

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #146 on: January 29, 2022, 03:34:36 AM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       tiphat

I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!

Do you also have a newspaper route??
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2022, 07:24:26 AM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       tiphat

I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!

Do you also have a newspaper route??
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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2022, 08:15:19 AM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       tiphat

I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!

Do you also have a newspaper route??
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat


Well like AvHdb I did have one when I was a teen however I hated getting up so early so quit after only about 6 months.  :laugh:

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Re: What’s Driving USA Brinkmanship against Russia?
« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2022, 11:09:26 AM »
What do you think about the US state department declaring that if Russia invades Ukraine the Nord Stream pipeline will end up on the bottom of the water it traverses? That is a rather stark warning to Russia.

My opinion there will be NO shots fired and as we post The West and Russia will move forward via diplomacy.

If the Nord Stream 2 was damaged/destroyed it would be costly for Russia to say the very least.




Do tell as to why this would be costly, and why for Russia??

Lets see Russia signs contract to supply gas to Western Europe. New and primary pipeline (Nord Stream) is destroyed.

Russia will than need to supply gas transiting through Ukraine to meet it contracts. A ten year old with a news paper route and a flat tire on his bike can figure this out.


 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       tiphat

I was thinking something similar but you nailed it!

Do you also have a newspaper route??
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat


Well like AvHdb I did have one when I was a teen however I hated getting up so early so quit after only about 6 months.  :laugh:

It was a good transcontinental men’s lough.  :)


 

 

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