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Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« on: October 28, 2021, 12:06:46 AM »
Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War 1940


Greek soldiers fighting the Italian invaders in 1940.

The Greco-Italian War (Italo-Greek War, Italian Campaign in Greece; in Greece: War of '40) took place between the kingdoms of Italy and Greece from 28 October 1940 to 23 April 1941.

This local war began the Balkans Campaign of World War II between the Axis powers and the Allies and eventually turned into the Battle of Greece with British and German involvement. On 10 June 1940, Italy declared war on France and the United Kingdom. By September 1940, the Italians had invaded France, British Somali land and Egypt. This was followed by a hostile press campaign in Italy against Greece, accused of being a British ally. A number of provocations culminated in the sinking of the Greek light cruiser Elli by the Italians on 15 August (the Christian Dormition of the Mother of God festival).

On 28 October, Mussolini issued an ultimatum to Greece demanding the cession of Greek territory, which the Prime Minister of Greece, Ioannis Metaxas, rejected.

Italy's invasion of Greece, launched from Italian-controlled Albania, was a fiasco: six divisions of the Italian Army, badly organized and insufficient to manage a full-scale invasion, encountered unexpectedly tenacious resistance by the Hellenic Army and had to contend with the mountainous and muddy terrain on the Albanian–Greek border. By mid-November, the Greeks had stopped the Italian invasion just inside Greek territory.

As the British bombers and fighter aircraft struck Italy's forces and bases, the Greeks completed their mobilization and counter-attacked with the bulk of their army to push the Italians back into Albania – an advance which culminated in the Capture of Klisura Pass in January 1941, a few dozen kilometres inside the Albanian border. The defeat of the Italian invasion and the Greek counter-offensive of 1940 have been called the "first Axis setback of the entire war" by Mark Mazower, the Greeks "surprising everyone with the tenacity of their resistance".

The front stabilized in February 1941, by which time the Italians had reinforced the Albanian front to 28 divisions against the Greeks' 14 divisions (though Greek divisions were larger). In March, the Italians conducted the unsuccessful Spring Offensive. At this point, losses were mutually costly, but the Greeks had far less ability than the Italians to replenish their losses in both men and materiel, and they were dangerously low on ammunition and other supplies. They also lacked the ability to rotate out their men and equipment, unlike the Italians. Requests by the Greeks to the British for material aid only partly alleviated the situation, and by April 1941 the Greek Army only possessed 1 more month's worth of heavy artillery ammunition and was unable to properly equip and mobilize the bulk of its 200,000–300,000 strong reserves.

Adolf Hitler decided that the increased British intervention in the conflict represented a threat to Germany's rear, while German build-up in the Balkans accelerated after Bulgaria joined the Axis on 1 March 1941. British ground forces began arriving in Greece the next day. This caused Hitler to come to the aid of his Axis ally. On 6 April, the Germans invaded northern Greece ("Operation Marita"). The Greeks had deployed the vast majority of their men into a mutually costly stalemate with the Italians on the Albanian front, leaving the fortified Metaxas Line with only a third of its authorized strength. Greek and British forces in northern Greece were overwhelmed and the Germans advanced rapidly west and south. In Albania, the Greek army made a belated withdrawal to avoid being cut off by the Germans but was followed up slowly by the Italians. Greece surrendered to German troops on 20 April 1941 and to the Italians on 23 April 1941.[e] Greece was subsequently occupied by Bulgarian, German and Italian troops. The Italian army suffered 102,064 combat casualties (with 13,700 dead and 3,900 missing) and fifty thousand sick; the Greeks suffered over 90,000 combat casualties (including 14,000 killed and 5,000 missing) and an unknown number of sick.


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2021, 08:53:15 AM »
Interesting read.

There was a romantic movie made, based on historical facts from a novel called Captain Corelli's Mandolin. It depicts the latter events in this period.

The 'ending' certainly confirms the adage 'love and war make for strange bed fellows'. What are your thoughts on the battle on Cephalonia?
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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2021, 12:39:25 PM »
Interesting read.

There was a romantic movie made, based on historical facts from a novel called Captain Corelli's Mandolin. It depicts the latter events in this period.

The 'ending' certainly confirms the adage 'love and war make for strange bed fellows'. What are your thoughts on the battle on Cephalonia?


Obviously fighting for your freedom it is a heroic action especially when fighting a superior enemy well armed and after 6 months finally nearly push them in the Adriatic Sea, it  was an ingretible feat by the Greeks and the first win of the western allies.

Has it crossed your mind the fact, that despite many people on the video mentioned, that the Greeks gave their Allies the first win against the Axis Powers, and prepared the conditions for their final defeat?

The extra 2 months delay for the Germans and their attack against Russia, also the winter conditions, assisted the Russians to finally protect Moscow and prepared their army for the attack which ended up by them invading Berlin first ..... and the rest it's History.

Are you aware that Germany has never paid any reparations which amount to hundreds of $ billions, for destroying and burning down more than 3,000 villages and the 1000's of Greeks executed for their resistance against their occupation?

Of courses the only people paid reparations on a yearly basis by Germany, are the Zionists Jews!!!!!

Regarding Captain Corelli's Mandolin was just a film.... and I am not aware if the story was true, neither I am interested.

As about your despicable offending Trolling and appalling behaviour to divert the attention from my post and its theme it is unforgivable and don't expect me to be civilised towards you! Typical nasty behaviour from an ugly Zionist.

Why are you hating the Greeks and blame me for what Great Alexander and his people did to the Jews, 2000 years ago when your ancestors were forced to move away from Palestine and found safety in Egypt?  Is that the real reason why Jews hate and are jealous of the Greeks or you are simply a nasty race?

Look the Zionist  daily nasty and criminal actions against the real owners and occupiers of Palestine. Stalin was right when he sent the Russian Jews in Siberia to make their own republic, Birobidzhan. (Birobidzhan is a town and the administrative centre of the Jewish Autonomous O blast, Russia, located on the Trans-Siberian Railway, near the China–Russia border.)

I would appreciate if you avoid trolling on my posts and please avoid making any nasty comments.



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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2021, 01:29:59 PM »
Are you aware that Germany has never paid any reparations which amount to hundreds of $ billions, for destroying and burning down more than 3,000 villages and the 1000's of Greeks executed for their resistance against their occupation?

Absolutely there was a case for reparations but many argue that the reparations
in the Treaty of Versailles following WWI were one of the root causes of WWII.
My view is that appeasement was the number one root cause, but I wasn't
around at the time to pass out advice.

After the war of course we help rebuild Germany and Japan, but left all our worn
torn allies to mostly fend for themselves. I imagine that there could easily be a
thousand debates about what should have been done

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2021, 01:41:39 PM »
“For some reason, lots of terrible things start here and then spread. The Cold War was one. It didn't start in Berlin - it started in Athens in December 1944; the contagion in the eurozone started here in 2010. We are perfectly capable as Europeans of messing things up unnecessarily.”

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2021, 07:09:47 PM »
“For some reason, lots of terrible things start here and then spread. The Cold War was one. It didn't start in Berlin - it started in Athens in December 1944; the contagion in the eurozone started here in 2010. We are perfectly capable as Europeans of messing things up unnecessarily.”

Y. Varoufakis

I like this guys point of view and opinions, fascinating!

Yanis Varoufakis was and probably still is in the pocket of G. Soros. he admited in a TV interview......

When he was a Minister of the Greek economy, together with PM Tsipras they asked in a referendum to accept or not the IMF and EU conditions about their loans and the 62% OXI (NO) result changed to YES. and instead of using the NO result to blackmail the EU and the IMF to wipe out the loans they sold Greece to the financiers at 8 am GMT of the EU special meeting!  I was watching live the financial markets with my son...... and all markets  were going down....... all he had to say to them was ... sorry I am going home until you make a decision to wipe out my country's all debts to EU and IMF.

He is simply a clown..... whern talking together with other financial educated people, like the one who replaced him.  E Tsakalotos. I watched him many times before getting involved in politics, under Soros orders and he was crap discussing economics.

Did you cook any of my recepies?

Together with my excellent cook, (wife),  we compete who is going to make the best Greek or Russian food. No crap frozen Fish and chips.



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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2021, 09:20:03 AM »
Did you cook any of my recepies?

Together with my excellent cook, (wife),  we compete who is going to make the best Greek or Russian food. No crap frozen Fish and chips.

You are a brave man. Not sure I want to be in competition with a Russian woman in the kitchen, there knife skills are quite advanced.  :laugh:

Yes I have prepared some food based on the recipes that you present. No one has died. Thank You! My favourite so far is Arni Fricassé.

As an observation you expect the user have somewhat advanced culinary skills. This to some degree is surprising that in the country of J. Child’s this is not the reality. In a well known chain of kitchen stores I listened to a woman ask for a thermometer to see if she boiled the water to the correct temperature.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2021, 12:08:51 PM »
Did you cook any of my recepies?

Together with my excellent cook, (wife),  we compete who is going to make the best Greek or Russian food. No crap frozen Fish and chips.

You are a brave man. Not sure I want to be in competition with a Russian woman in the kitchen, there knife skills are quite advanced.  :laugh:

Yes I have prepared some food based on the recipes that you present. No one has died. Thank You! My favourite so far is Arni Fricassé.

As an observation you expect the user have somewhat advanced culinary skills. This to some degree is surprising that in the country of J. Child’s this is not the reality. In a well known chain of kitchen stores I listened to a woman ask for a thermometer to see if she boiled the water to the correct temperature.


OMG! ROFLMAO!  :ROFL:

She couldn't tell by the very fact that the water was indeed boiling? Or that it wasn't boiling? Good gawd I have heard it all!

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2021, 12:21:47 PM »
Did you cook any of my recepies?

Together with my excellent cook, (wife),  we compete who is going to make the best Greek or Russian food. No crap frozen Fish and chips.

You are a brave man. Not sure I want to be in competition with a Russian woman in the kitchen, there knife skills are quite advanced.  :laugh:

Yes I have prepared some food based on the recipes that you present. No one has died. Thank You! My favourite so far is Arni Fricassé.

As an observation you expect the user have somewhat advanced culinary skills. This to some degree is surprising that in the country of J. Child’s this is not the reality. In a well known chain of kitchen stores I listened to a woman ask for a thermometer to see if she boiled the water to the correct temperature.


OMG! ROFLMAO!  :ROFL:

She couldn't tell by the very fact that the water was indeed boiling? Or that it wasn't boiling? Good gawd I have heard it all!

I am a terrible cook and rarely endeavor to do so other than I can cook a very good steak but most men can.

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2021, 02:06:03 PM »
Have spent some time trying to understand the nature of what Wiz notes initially. I can only say it is a plate of ravioli, with spatzel, mixed with damos.

The one take away indeed the resistance that the Greek army gave and sacrificed was helpful, perhaps even essential in defeating the Nazis especially at the start of the 2nd World War.
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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2021, 11:02:20 PM »
Doing further research. While fascinating I will let Wiz comment on the veracity of the link below.

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2021, 08:26:51 AM »
Have spent some time trying to understand the nature of what Wiz notes initially. I can only say it is a plate of ravioli, with spatzel, mixed with damos.

The one take away indeed the resistance that the Greek army gave and sacrificed was helpful, perhaps even essential in defeating the Nazis especially at the start of the 2nd World War.

Tell that to the Russians.... who finally defeated Nazi Germany!

Reading all your other posts here, It is very clear, Zionist Ugly troll AvHdB - Arlov, that you are  trying to rewrite history and at the same time ridicule myself and my Greek Cookery Book which I was kind enough to reply to your devious request.

Just for your Information Ugly Zionist, I prepared, printed 10 000 copies and published my book in 1995 at no cost to me personally! Today I have sold almost all of them and I have left only 25 copies which I give as a present to my friends and other people. You on the other hand, uncivilised and ugly creature have benefited from my civilised reply to your request and now it is becoming clear your planned nasty game, which is the main characteristic of your tribe. We can't blame Stalin, or the Great Alexander or anybody else who took action against your ugly parasitic tribe!

While I make my efforts to have a civilised conversation with the other members, it is noticeable you are trolling and trying to create a different impression of myself, Greece and the Greek history.

Whatever efforts you make to ridicule my birth country's history and our achievements of more than 5000 years, unfortunately for you, it's still there today. Everybody knows that my Greek Ancestors have offered a lot to the Western current civilisation and I am proud of the Achievements of my Greek Race. Your tribe never had your own Nation to become a race until you fooled or bribed Lord Balfour

Finally we Greeks don't have to live in a Ghetto, like your tribe,  either in our own country or wherever we move to any other country!

In my various searches on the Internet accidentally I come across to this Posting. It makes a  very interesting reading! The 6 Million myth


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2021, 09:37:57 PM »
Tell that to the Russians.... who finally defeated Nazi Germany!

Russia did not defeat the Nazi Germans, it was various efforts and actions of Allied forces that did. I can not find any reference to Soviet soldiers in Normandy or taking back Italy. All participants including Germany suffered horrific losses during this period. The United States enabled The Soviet Union to continue on their front against the Germans at a high cost to Russians I might add.Why don’t you watch this video to give you some intelligence

Please bear in mind The United States was fighting on two fronts, Europe and The Pacific.



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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2021, 12:52:17 AM »
Have spent some time trying to understand the nature of what Wiz notes initially. I can only say it is a plate of ravioli, with spatzel, mixed with damos.

The one take away indeed the resistance that the Greek army gave and sacrificed was helpful, perhaps even essential in defeating the Nazis especially at the start of the 2nd World War.

Tell that to the Russians.... who finally defeated Nazi Germany!

Reading all your other posts here, It is very clear, Zionist Ugly troll AvHdB - Arlov, that you are  trying to rewrite history and at the same time ridicule myself and my Greek Cookery Book which I was kind enough to reply to your devious request.

Just for your Information Ugly Zionist, I prepared, printed 10 000 copies and published my book in 1995 at no cost to me personally! Today I have sold almost all of them and I have left only 25 copies which I give as a present to my friends and other people. You on the other hand, uncivilised and ugly creature have benefited from my civilised reply to your request and now it is becoming clear your planned nasty game, which is the main characteristic of your tribe. We can't blame Stalin, or the Great Alexander or anybody else who took action against your ugly parasitic tribe!

While I make my efforts to have a civilised conversation with the other members, it is noticeable you are trolling and trying to create a different impression of myself, Greece and the Greek history.

Whatever efforts you make to ridicule my birth country's history and our achievements of more than 5000 years, unfortunately for you, it's still there today. Everybody knows that my Greek Ancestors have offered a lot to the Western current civilisation and I am proud of the Achievements of my Greek Race. Your tribe never had your own Nation to become a race until you fooled or bribed Lord Balfour

Finally we Greeks don't have to live in a Ghetto, like your tribe,  either in our own country or wherever we move to any other country!

In my various searches on the Internet accidentally I come across to this Posting. It makes a  very interesting reading! The 6 Million myth


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2021, 02:17:55 AM »
Here we go again, another effort of the Zionist troll to rewrite WWII history posting inaccurate or suitable adjusted information about the American holiday troops in Europe posting a "Video that is not not available  to watch in the  UK" etc.

1) Fistly let me remind you who provoked Hitler & Germany to  start WWII and why?



Here is a comment made regarding the above picture in another site:

From Michael Rivero at whatreallyhappened.com:

This is the headline of March 24th, 1933 reporting the boycott against Germany declared by the world's bankers following Hitler's abandonment of the debt-based banking system imposed on Germany after WWI and the establishment of a monetary system based on fixed units of worth.

This simple change had turned Germany's economy around to the point where TIME Magazine declared Hitler their man of the year for his success in revitalizing Germany. But such a system was a direct threat to the profits of the bankers.

The bankers, terrified that the rest of the world would see the obvious advantages in the new German system, set about to wreck the new German economy and by so doing set the stage for WWII.
But, take a close look at the story at the left in which it is reported that the total Jewish population of Germany in 1933 was only 600,000!   

So I am asking you AGAIN where the 6 Million number came from?
Was this number part of the link I gave you yesterday....... The-6-million-myth


From Wikipedia

2) Under the codename Operation “Barbarossa,” Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941. This was the largest German military operation of World War II.

The military history of the United States in World War II against the Axis Powers, started the 7 December 1941 after the attack on Pearl Harbour. During the first two years of World War II, the United States had maintained formal neutrality as made official in the Quarantine Speech delivered by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1937, while supplying Britain, the Soviet Union, and China with war material through the Lend-Lease Act which was signed into law on 11 March 1941.

Following the "Greer incident" Roosevelt publicly confirmed the "shoot on sight" order on 11 September 1941, effectively declaring naval war on Germany and Italy in the Battle of the Atlantic. In the Pacific Theatre, there was unofficial early US combat activity such as the Flying Tigers.

The war in Europe involved aid to Britain, her allies, and the Soviet Union, with the US supplying munitions until it could ready an invasion force. US forces were first tested to a limited degree in the North African Campaign and then employed more significantly with British Forces in Italy in 1943–45, where US forces, representing about a third of the Allied forces deployed, bogged down after Italy surrendered and the Germans took over.

Finally the main invasion of France took place in June 1944, under General Dwight D. Eisenhower. Meanwhile, the US Army Air Forces and the British Royal Air Force engaged in the area bombardment of German cities and systematically targeted German transportation links and synthetic oil plants, as it knocked out what was left of the Luftwaffe post Battle of Britain in 1944. Being invaded from all sides, it became clear that Germany would lose the war. Berlin fell to the Soviets in May 1945, and with Adolf Hitler dead, the Germans surrendered.


It is pretty clear from the above that, while USA while they were supporting the war efforts of the Europeans by supplying munitions and other help.....the Jewish Banksters were having a ball at the end of the world, as usual, making big profits.

I also remember reading somewhere that it was the  American Jewish Banksters who financed Hitler to come to power too. I know that the Lend Lease arrangement was  long term investments,, the British paid you with their Gold and Putin paid the last full payment in 2006. 

3)
How BIG was the Red Army in WW2?


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2021, 03:13:01 AM »
The anti Semite rears his ugly head again.
WizASS, the oily waiter, must have had too much Metaxa today.

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I am not Anti Semite because your tribe (the Jews) have not lived in Palestine for over 2000 years before 1947 and you are making a False accusation.  The real Semites are the Palestinians who have lived there in Palestine, after the Jews were chased out 2000 years ago, by the Greek warriors.  Your tribe managed to bribe  "Lord Balfour" to make his declaration. for their return from the Jewish Diaspora around the globe to Palestine! 

If the above it is not correct then ...  prove me wrong other wise shut up ugly crock

You are simply ugly and jealous  of my  Greek Apollo  race, not tribe like yours   and still I am able to entertain Only beautiful women, unlike your ugly MAG.. with your wonderful mentally defected character.

I have never disputed your comments about yourself as you happen to know better.:

As you are a clever crock........Can you also explain to me why your Tribe lives in Ghetto's around the world and not like all other local people?


Your own statement for your self!



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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2021, 06:56:38 AM »
The anti Semite rears his ugly head again.
WizASS, the oily waiter, must have had too much Metaxa today.

:coffeeread:

I am not Anti Semite because your tribe (the Jews) have not lived in Palestine for over 2000 years before 1947 and you are making a False accusation.  The real Semites are the Palestinians who have lived there in Palestine, after the Jews were chased out 2000 years ago, by the Greek warriors.  Your tribe managed to bribe  "Lord Balfour" to make his declaration. for their return from the Jewish Diaspora around the globe to Palestine! 

If the above it is not correct then ...  prove me wrong other wise shut up ugly crock

You are simply ugly and jealous  of my  Greek Apollo  race, not tribe like yours   and still I am able to entertain Only beautiful women, unlike your ugly MAG.. with your wonderful mentally defected character.

I have never disputed your comments about yourself as you happen to know better.:

As you are a clever crock........Can you also explain to me why your Tribe lives in Ghetto's around the world and not like all other local people?


Your own statement for your self!



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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2021, 07:04:57 AM »
Wiz if you wish to start a separate thread on a different subject, please feel free to do so. We have though discussed the 6 million before.

Back to the subject. While not a modern battle this is an interesting & defining moment in Ancient Greek history.


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2021, 09:02:55 AM »

I am not Anti Semite because your tribe (the Jews) have not lived in Palestine for over 2000 years before 1947 and you are making a False accusation.  The real Semites are the Palestinians who have lived there in Palestine, . . .

To those who know and understand history and language Wiz your ignorance is appalling. Curious Wiz did they graduate you from ‘kindergarten’?
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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2021, 08:58:35 PM »
Wiz if you wish to start a separate thread on a different subject, please feel free to do so. We have though discussed the 6 million before.

Back to the subject. While not a modern battle this is an interesting & defining moment in Ancient Greek history.



When I have to start a separate thread with another subject, I don't need to ask your permission....... You don't own this board... you are just a  Zionist Troll in a mission and very jealous of the achievements of the Greeks over the past 5000 years. You are welcome to study and admire our history...... as long as you don't try to change the truth. I don't remember discussing with you  the 6 Million myth....... Any how the Internationl Red Cross, that was able to visit the camps... gave out very different numbers.
 
Small clarification: In the video you posted it was not explained clearly why the Greeks lost the battle and died there.. in Thermopiles. Their leader Leonidas together with 300 fighters stopped the invading army.......in the very narrow passage.

As most times happens there was a local Traitor "Efialtis" (Nightmare) who showed Xerxes, a secret path to the back of the Greek fighters........Leonidas understood that his army would be surrounded. He then told those who wanted to leave but 700 Thespians and 300 Spartans remained. and all died. there.

Watch these 2 videos......

%u0397 %u03BC%u03AC%u03C7%u03B7 %u03C4%u03C9%u03BD %u0398%u03B5%u03C1%u03BC%u03BF%u03C0%u03C5%u03BB%u03CE%u03BD The battle of Thermopiles


next video is mostly In English


PS: I learned our History at school and that was over half a century ago and I am entitle to forget some things.

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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2021, 11:47:14 AM »
Wiz if you wish to start a separate thread on a different subject, please feel free to do so. We have though discussed the 6 million before.

Back to the subject. While not a modern battle this is an interesting & defining moment in Ancient Greek history.



When I have to start a separate thread with another subject, I don't need to ask your permission....... You don't own this board... you are just a  Zionist Troll in a mission and very jealous of the achievements of the Greeks over the past 5000 years. You are welcome to study and admire our history...... as long as you don't try to change the truth. I don't remember discussing with you  the 6 Million myth....... Any how the Internationl Red Cross, that was able to visit the camps... gave out very different numbers.
 
Small clarification: In the video you posted it was not explained clearly why the Greeks lost the battle and died there.. in Thermopiles. Their leader Leonidas together with 300 fighters stopped the invading army.......in the very narrow passage.

As most times happens there was a local Traitor "Efialtis" (Nightmare) who showed Xerxes, a secret path to the back of the Greek fighters........Leonidas understood that his army would be surrounded. He then told those who wanted to leave but 700 Thespians and 300 Spartans remained. and all died. there.

Watch these 2 videos......

%u0397 %u03BC%u03AC%u03C7%u03B7 %u03C4%u03C9%u03BD %u0398%u03B5%u03C1%u03BC%u03BF%u03C0%u03C5%u03BB%u03CE%u03BD The battle of Thermopiles


next video is mostly In English


PS: I learned our History at school and that was over half a century ago and I am entitle to forget some things.
Wiz, Thank you for the background and additional videos.

Perhaps ask someone to explain in Greek to you the exact meaning of what I wrote regarding staying on topic and/or starting a new topic on a different subject.

Take care, Av


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2021, 12:31:25 AM »
Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War 1940


Greek soldiers fighting the Italian invaders in 1940.

The Greco-Italian War (Italo-Greek War, Italian Campaign in Greece; in Greece: War of '40) took place between the kingdoms of Italy and Greece from 28 October 1940 to 23 April 1941.

This local war began the Balkans Campaign of World War II between the Axis powers and the Allies and eventually turned into the Battle of Greece with British and German involvement. On 10 June 1940, Italy declared war on France and the United Kingdom. By September 1940, the Italians had invaded France, British Somali land and Egypt. This was followed by a hostile press campaign in Italy against Greece, accused of being a British ally. A number of provocations culminated in the sinking of the Greek light cruiser Elli by the Italians on 15 August (the Christian Dormition of the Mother of God festival).

On 28 October, Mussolini issued an ultimatum to Greece demanding the cession of Greek territory, which the Prime Minister of Greece, Ioannis Metaxas, rejected.

Italy's invasion of Greece, launched from Italian-controlled Albania, was a fiasco: six divisions of the Italian Army, badly organized and insufficient to manage a full-scale invasion, encountered unexpectedly tenacious resistance by the Hellenic Army and had to contend with the mountainous and muddy terrain on the Albanian-Greek border. By mid-November, the Greeks had stopped the Italian invasion just inside Greek territory.

As the British bombers and fighter aircraft struck Italy's forces and bases, the Greeks completed their mobilization and counter-attacked with the bulk of their army to push the Italians back into Albania - an advance which culminated in the Capture of Klisura Pass in January 1941, a few dozen kilometres inside the Albanian border. The defeat of the Italian invasion and the Greek counter-offensive of 1940 have been called the "first Axis setback of the entire war" by Mark Mazower, the Greeks "surprising everyone with the tenacity of their resistance".

The front stabilized in February 1941, by which time the Italians had reinforced the Albanian front to 28 divisions against the Greeks' 14 divisions (though Greek divisions were larger). In March, the Italians conducted the unsuccessful Spring Offensive. At this point, losses were mutually costly, but the Greeks had far less ability than the Italians to replenish their losses in both men and materiel, and they were dangerously low on ammunition and other supplies. They also lacked the ability to rotate out their men and equipment, unlike the Italians. Requests by the Greeks to the British for material aid only partly alleviated the situation, and by April 1941 the Greek Army only possessed 1 more month's worth of heavy artillery ammunition and was unable to properly equip and mobilize the bulk of its 200,000-300,000 strong reserves.

Adolf Hitler decided that the increased British intervention in the conflict represented a threat to Germany's rear, while German build-up in the Balkans accelerated after Bulgaria joined the Axis on 1 March 1941. British ground forces began arriving in Greece the next day. This caused Hitler to come to the aid of his Axis ally. On 6 April, the Germans invaded northern Greece ("Operation Marita"). The Greeks had deployed the vast majority of their men into a mutually costly stalemate with the Italians on the Albanian front, leaving the fortified Metaxas Line with only a third of its authorized strength. Greek and British forces in northern Greece were overwhelmed and the Germans advanced rapidly west and south. In Albania, the Greek army made a belated withdrawal to avoid being cut off by the Germans but was followed up slowly by the Italians. Greece surrendered to German troops on 20 April 1941 and to the Italians on 23 April 1941.[e] Greece was subsequently occupied by Bulgarian, German and Italian troops. The Italian army suffered 102,064 combat casualties (with 13,700 dead and 3,900 missing) and fifty thousand sick; the Greeks suffered over 90,000 combat casualties (including 14,000 killed and 5,000 missing) and an unknown number of sick.


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2021, 09:38:21 AM »
Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War 1940


Greek soldiers fighting the Italian invaders in 1940.

The Greco-Italian War (Italo-Greek War, Italian Campaign in Greece; in Greece: War of '40) took place between the kingdoms of Italy and Greece from 28 October 1940 to 23 April 1941.

This local war began the Balkans Campaign of World War II between the Axis powers and the Allies and eventually turned into the Battle of Greece with British and German involvement. On 10 June 1940, Italy declared war on France and the United Kingdom. By September 1940, the Italians had invaded France, British Somali land and Egypt. This was followed by a hostile press campaign in Italy against Greece, accused of being a British ally. A number of provocations culminated in the sinking of the Greek light cruiser Elli by the Italians on 15 August (the Christian Dormition of the Mother of God festival).

On 28 October, Mussolini issued an ultimatum to Greece demanding the cession of Greek territory, which the Prime Minister of Greece, Ioannis Metaxas, rejected.

Italy's invasion of Greece, launched from Italian-controlled Albania, was a fiasco: six divisions of the Italian Army, badly organized and insufficient to manage a full-scale invasion, encountered unexpectedly tenacious resistance by the Hellenic Army and had to contend with the mountainous and muddy terrain on the Albanian-Greek border. By mid-November, the Greeks had stopped the Italian invasion just inside Greek territory.

As the British bombers and fighter aircraft struck Italy's forces and bases, the Greeks completed their mobilization and counter-attacked with the bulk of their army to push the Italians back into Albania - an advance which culminated in the Capture of Klisura Pass in January 1941, a few dozen kilometres inside the Albanian border. The defeat of the Italian invasion and the Greek counter-offensive of 1940 have been called the "first Axis setback of the entire war" by Mark Mazower, the Greeks "surprising everyone with the tenacity of their resistance".

The front stabilized in February 1941, by which time the Italians had reinforced the Albanian front to 28 divisions against the Greeks' 14 divisions (though Greek divisions were larger). In March, the Italians conducted the unsuccessful Spring Offensive. At this point, losses were mutually costly, but the Greeks had far less ability than the Italians to replenish their losses in both men and materiel, and they were dangerously low on ammunition and other supplies. They also lacked the ability to rotate out their men and equipment, unlike the Italians. Requests by the Greeks to the British for material aid only partly alleviated the situation, and by April 1941 the Greek Army only possessed 1 more month's worth of heavy artillery ammunition and was unable to properly equip and mobilize the bulk of its 200,000-300,000 strong reserves.

Adolf Hitler decided that the increased British intervention in the conflict represented a threat to Germany's rear, while German build-up in the Balkans accelerated after Bulgaria joined the Axis on 1 March 1941. British ground forces began arriving in Greece the next day. This caused Hitler to come to the aid of his Axis ally. On 6 April, the Germans invaded northern Greece ("Operation Marita"). The Greeks had deployed the vast majority of their men into a mutually costly stalemate with the Italians on the Albanian front, leaving the fortified Metaxas Line with only a third of its authorized strength. Greek and British forces in northern Greece were overwhelmed and the Germans advanced rapidly west and south. In Albania, the Greek army made a belated withdrawal to avoid being cut off by the Germans but was followed up slowly by the Italians. Greece surrendered to German troops on 20 April 1941 and to the Italians on 23 April 1941.[e] Greece was subsequently occupied by Bulgarian, German and Italian troops. The Italian army suffered 102,064 combat casualties (with 13,700 dead and 3,900 missing) and fifty thousand sick; the Greeks suffered over 90,000 combat casualties (including 14,000 killed and 5,000 missing) and an unknown number of sick.


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Re: Heroes Fight Like Greeks - Greco-Italian War
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2022, 12:47:27 PM »
While the title of this video is The Campaign of the Balkans, it is a very interesting. It touches on some of the claims and opinions of Wiz. It is quite long almost 2 hours.

It shows the incredible will of The Soviets and how it was essential and aided the Americans and English to muster there attack via France.


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