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Re: Team Biden/Harris
« Reply #175 on: April 02, 2024, 09:14:15 AM »
District Attorney's in New York are refusing to prosecute offenders for any but
the most horrible crimes — such as murder or overstating the valuation of
property in a bank loan application. 

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« Reply #176 on: April 02, 2024, 09:28:05 AM »
This is what I have been saying. Nearly all of the people who worked with Donald Trump came out against him as being bad for the country.

Trump's lieutenants are smeared for life having associated with him. They
have ONLY one option, that is to REPENT to the leftist establishment. Who
doesn't know this? The woke mob will put any company out of business
who hires a previous Trump associate.

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« Reply #177 on: April 16, 2024, 05:52:34 AM »
Lefty's get a different standard of justice.

Clinton and the DNC faced no criminal prosecution, but only had to pay a modest $100,000 in fines for covering up at least $1 million they paid to Fusion GPS through the Perkins Cole law firm to fund the infamous, unverified Steele dossier. This started the entire phony 2 year long Russia-gate spectacle.

Trump gives his lawyer $130,000 to give to Stormy Daniels to hush up then it's a
prosecutable crime in New York. However if you are illegally here and brutally beat
or rape someone, you are let go without bail.

Trump gives $130K and causes no harm vs $1 million to hold the entire country
hostage for two years.

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« Reply #178 on: April 16, 2024, 08:36:32 AM »
Why is it that Trump and the 'right' are always whining about being somehow mistreated? It's an old, worn-out tune. The same laws and regulations apply to all.

Don't cry foul before the jury is selected. Ultimately they will decide.

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« Reply #179 on: April 16, 2024, 12:23:55 PM »
Why is it that Trump and the 'right' are always whining about being somehow mistreated? It's an old, worn-out tune. The same laws and regulations apply to all.

LOL.  You don't understand how any of this works.

Let's take a look at Trump's inflation of the value of his properties, which, although a common practice in the NYC area (I know; I lived in NY and the NYC metro area for 30 years), only Trump seems to be being prosecuted for it. Why is that, if, as you say, the same laws and regs apply to all?

The loans in question were made decades ago, and fully repaid. The counterparty, Deutsche Bank, is a sophisticated business entity with throngs of lawyers, accounts and appraisers who are fully capable of determining the value of the Trump properties on their own.

Deutsche was also eager to continue to do business with Trump every year since.

So, riddle me this: Why is Trump - and only Trump - being prosecuted?  Because his is a political enemy of the Democratic Party, who are DESPERATELY trying to both punish him for defeating Stumbles McPantsuit in 2016 and also to damage his election chances against Joe Biden.  Simples.  Also Attorney General Letitia James knows that "A.G." also means "Almost Governor."

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« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2024, 03:25:43 AM »

LOL.  You don't understand how any of this works.

Maybe I do :)

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Let's take a look at Trump's inflation of the value of his properties, which, although a common practice in the NYC area (I know; I lived in NY and the NYC metro area for 30 years), only Trump seems to be being prosecuted for it. Why is that, if, as you say, the same laws and regs apply to all?

On our highways, many people speed.  Only some are caught.  If a town cop, in this case Leticia James catches the only red Ferrari in town speeding and issues a ticket, you can bet she will be on the lookout next time she's out patrolling.  Trump, our red Ferrari is known for speeding and has been caught several times prior, i.e. the Trump Foundation case resulting in a 2 million dolla fine and probably some other civil fraud cases she monitors like Trump University, etc etc.  Why would that be unfair? Bottom line Trump digs his own holes and makes them very obvious and easy to find.

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The loans in question were made decades ago, and fully repaid. The counterparty, Deutsche Bank, is a sophisticated business entity with throngs of lawyers, accounts and appraisers who are fully capable of determining the value of the Trump properties on their own.

Deutsche was also eager to continue to do business with Trump every year since.

I don't think the evidence supports this common assertion that is often touted by Trump supporters.  Dealing with Trump has been a headache for many lenders, even having to give additional loans and loan forgiveness in attempts to recover something in lieu of nothing.  Trump has also sued banks that have given him loans in ways that resemble blackmail.  Despite being tight-lipped, I  doubt Deutsche Bank or others have been stumbling over each other to offer new loans to Trump or his entities in recent years. Any remaining interests lie with recovering amounts owed and not new lending.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/10/27/report-trump-had-over-280-million-in-debt-forgiven-and-avoided-paying-taxes-on-most-of-it/?sh=2ee0c6597ac4
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/investing/deutsche-bank-trump/index.html

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So, riddle me this: Why is Trump - and only Trump - being prosecuted?  Because his is a political enemy of the Democratic Party, who are DESPERATELY trying to both punish him for defeating Stumbles McPantsuit in 2016 and also to damage his election chances against Joe Biden.  Simples.  Also Attorney General Letitia James knows that "A.G." also means "Almost Governor."

B/B

Another fallacy Trump supporters often mention has been debunked. He is not the only one who has been charged with these felonies. He is, however, one of a few for whom falsifying business records was the top charge. Not surprising at all considering his past record.  Should this be a surprise for the guy in the red Ferrari?  Digging up dirt on ANY candidate REGARDLESS of their political affiliations is par for the course in this age of adversarial politics.  Those who constantly whine are the same ones who attempt throw stones at the glass houses of heir political opponents. In the end it's not all bad if one desires that the temporary occupant of the White House enters with reasonably clean shoes and is not tracking a lot of stinky shit behind them on the way to the Oval Office.

As stated before, Trump digs his own deep holes. His many business and personal liabilities put him under the microscope, and his ego loves the attention, then gleans sympathy from his supporters when the baloon he blows pops in the end. Blame the balloon!!! Blame the air!! Blame anything except Trump the whiny blowhard.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-falsification-of-business-records-rarely-the-top-charge-on-ny-indictments/4222710/

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« Reply #181 on: April 17, 2024, 05:13:01 AM »
If a town cop, in this case Leticia James catches the only red Ferrari in town speeding and issues a ticket, you can bet she will be on the lookout next time she's out patrolling.  Trump, our red Ferrari is known for speeding and has been caught several times prior, i.e. the Trump Foundation case resulting in a 2 million dolla fine and probably some other civil fraud cases she monitors like Trump University, etc etc.  Why would that be unfair?

At least you've admitted that Trump is discriminated against and what you described is harassment. You don't realise it but you just confirmed what B/B told you, is true.

The irony here is that you condone Trump and his red Ferrari being harassed but you would fall over yourself with rage, had your example been blacks with a criminal history, carrying out disproportionate levels of crime and receiving the same attention from the town cop. One is unacceptable but the other is Trump - go get him!!

Tell me you see the hypocrisy here?

Digging up dirt on ANY candidate REGARDLESS of their political affiliations is par for the course in this age of adversarial politics.

Unless they're democrat.

Influential people in many agencies and legal positions, have been proven to have openly attacked, censored, criticised or refused to follow the chain of command and in full view, gone out there way to work against Trump both in and out of office. It's unprecedented and in my opinion, it's a sign of modern politics in the US yet the 'left' will blame the toxic going ons, on Trump.

https://www.tiktok.com/@tuckercarlsonnetwork/video/7358248069604937002?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7345135448354522656

Here's a bloke who was working at the CIA under the Trump presidency and he explains how the agency and the influential democrat loving staff, refused to accept the new president. Every government building has a picture of the US president, except many didn't because of TDS. We then have agencies investigating or working for/against Trump and we're told is 100% impartial.......yea right.


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« Reply #182 on: April 17, 2024, 09:53:03 AM »

LOL.  You don't understand how any of this works.

Maybe I do :)

Nope.  I'm a NY lawyer, I know how NY works, and I know a screwjob when I see one.

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« Reply #183 on: April 17, 2024, 12:50:32 PM »
Thanks for your opinion B/B

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« Reply #184 on: April 17, 2024, 12:56:39 PM »

Tell me you see the hypocrisy here?

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Unless they're democrat.


No hypocrisy. This is just the way adversarial politics works nowadays. Any candidate from any party will be put through the grand political washing machine spin cycle.

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« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2024, 03:07:38 PM »
No hypocrisy. This is just the way adversarial politics works nowadays. Any candidate from any party will be put through the grand political washing machine spin cycle.

Except for one party, that's theoretical, and they know they will be protected.  Thus the Special Counsel in the Biden classified docs case basically said he was declining to prosecute because Biden is a doddering old man.  Biden certainly wasn't when he took the documents, and unlike Trump, he was never entitled to have them (as VP; Trump, being  President, could have.)

I am not particularly worried about either guy having them given their former offices (at the relevant times) but it's pretty clear that the DC Insiders Club wants to make sure that Trump "gets got", and the Lawfare Party is waging Lawfare.

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« Reply #186 on: April 19, 2024, 01:48:40 AM »

Except for one party, that's theoretical, and they know they will be protected.  Thus the Special Counsel in the Biden classified docs case basically said he was declining to prosecute because Biden is a doddering old man.  Biden certainly wasn't when he took the documents, and unlike Trump, he was never entitled to have them (as VP; Trump, being  President, could have.)

Considering your background, I'm surprised you support your opinion with yet another Trumpian talking point that disregards substantial aspects of Hur's reasoning for not charging Biden, notably the differences between Trump and Biden's investigations.  I guess you missed my replies to your posts in the following thread discussing Hur's report.

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.msg552336.html#msg552336

I'd enjoy your reading on that topic.

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I am not particularly worried about either guy having them given their former offices (at the relevant times) but it's pretty clear that the DC Insiders Club wants to make sure that Trump "gets got", and the Lawfare Party is waging Lawfare.

B/B

Ahh... another unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, 'Deep State' and other variations. As far as Lawfare goes, I find it interesting that Trump and his supporters find grounds to complain at all considering his consistent usage of Lawfare to further his own business interests. The bottom line is that Trump enjoys pushing the envelope and crossing lines.  Now that the Law quickly catches up to him and his pals, his only defense is to whine and claim foul.  Just look at the long list of Trump lawyers who ended up indicted, pleaded guilty, went to jail, and were disbarred for their dealings related to Trump.  Others may follow.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/04/04/ex-trump-doj-official-jeffrey-clark-violated-ethics-rules-panel-finds-here-are-all-the-former-presidents-lawyers-now-facing-consequences/

Quite a few of them in these mugshots.



Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for contempt.




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« Reply #187 on: April 19, 2024, 07:53:18 AM »

Ahh... another unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, 'Deep State' and other variations. As far as Lawfare goes, I find it interesting that Trump and his supporters find grounds to complain at all considering his consistent usage of Lawfare to further his own business interests. The bottom line is that Trump enjoys pushing the envelope and crossing lines.  Now that the Law quickly catches up to him and his pals, his only defense is to whine and claim foul.  Just look at the long list of Trump lawyers who ended up indicted, pleaded guilty, went to jail, and were disbarred for their dealings related to Trump.  Others may follow.

More evidence of weaponizing the justice system.

The Dem's indict all the witnesses, especially attorney's so when they testify, they can announce
that they have have been indicted. They also want to raid any and all defense attorney's offices
because the constitution is not for them. Their is no constitution if you go against the left.

Why did they want Trumps tax returns for so many years?
So they could go after anyone who did business with him.

Doing business a the man who defeated Hillary?? !! ??
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« Reply #188 on: April 19, 2024, 05:11:08 PM »
Considering your background, I'm surprised you support your opinion with yet another Trumpian talking point that disregards substantial aspects of Hur's reasoning for not charging Biden, notably the differences between Trump and Biden's investigations.  I guess you missed my replies to your posts in the following thread discussing Hur's report.

You are still operating under the misapprehension that this is anything but a kangaroo court trial

I'd enjoy your reading on that topic.

So I did not reply to that particular post, but we have covered that topic before: you are taking an indictment and assuming it to be a neutral, factual document... it is not.  It is the prosecutions allegations.  It would be like me citing Trump's answer in the civil case and saying "See?  Totes innocent." 

Ahh... another unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, 'Deep State' and other variations.

^ This is just a declaratory statement.  A lot of the right's "conspiracy theories" are adding up.  Remember "Russia Gate"?  That was "conspiracy theory" that Trump got impeached over.  Except it was Bullshit.  And the FBI KNEW it was fake because they investigated it as part of the Michael Sussman investigation.  Hunter's laptop? "CONSPIRACY THEORY!" cries the left.  Except it was legit.  Your team's track record ain't so great on this stuff.

There have been attempts to topple Trump from before Day 1 of his presidency.  He caught the Deep State sleeping; they are going to do everything they can to prevent a second Trump presidency.  The Will to Power on the Left is STRONG.  That's why they are throwing EVERYTHING at him, thus the bullshit allegations about loans that were made and repaid years ago. 


As far as Lawfare goes, I find it interesting that Trump and his supporters find grounds to complain at all considering his consistent usage of Lawfare to further his own business interests. The bottom line is that Trump enjoys pushing the envelope and crossing lines.

Immaterial.  The state has a monopoly on violence.  To the extent Trump avails himself of the courts he is not going to put someone in jail.

Just look at the long list of Trump lawyers who ended up indicted, pleaded guilty, went to jail, and were disbarred for their dealings related to Trump.  Others may follow.

Well yeah, because they are targeting his allies and attempting to deny him representation. 

The surest way to learn that an election was rigged is that you get sent to jail for SAYING it was rigged.

Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for contempt.

Trump is in the middle of a presidential campaign.  I suspect it will be his last, win or lose. The Left wants to muzzle him - but jailing a candidate in the middle of a presidential campaign is, for the time being, beyond the pale even for the Left.  For now.

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« Reply #189 on: April 20, 2024, 12:42:38 PM »
Here I fixed it for you.

Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for contempt.
Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for Defending himself/running against a democrat.


Please tell me that you believe in free speech. Biden/The DNC/The leftist press can all talk
publicly about the case saying anything they want unchecked but you think that the defendant
who is running for political office can't? The judge has ZERO legal grounds to do anything of the
sort.

There is no law, judge or leftist that can take away or modify the first amendment.
 
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« Reply #190 on: April 20, 2024, 02:07:40 PM »

You are still operating under the misapprehension that this is anything but a kangaroo court trial

If so, the jury is sure to acquit.

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So I did not reply to that particular post, but we have covered that topic before: you are taking an indictment and assuming it to be a neutral, factual document... it is not.  It is the prosecutions allegations.  It would be like me citing Trump's answer in the civil case and saying "See?  Totes innocent." 

Indeed, the topic of the classified documents was covered. You seemed to criticize the timing and lack of a subpoena, and I provided a copy dated 11 May 2022 requesting all classified documents. The search at Mar a Lago was in early August, IIRC, after DOJ learned boxes had been moved around, etc. Had Trump fully complied, I doubt he would face further proceedings on that matter. 


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^ This is just a declaratory statement.  A lot of the right's "conspiracy theories" are adding up.  Remember "Russia Gate"?  That was "conspiracy theory" that Trump got impeached over.  Except it was Bullshit.  And the FBI KNEW it was fake because they investigated it as part of the Michael Sussman investigation.  Hunter's laptop? "CONSPIRACY THEORY!" cries the left.  Except it was legit.  Your team's track record ain't so great on this stuff.

IIRC, most of those theories have been fully debunked, with a few resulting in hefty fines and other actions. Mueller issued his report, and Durham was appointed by Trump's own DOJ head Barr to follow up on the conspiracy angles.

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There have been attempts to topple Trump from before Day 1 of his presidency.  He caught the Deep State sleeping; they are going to do everything they can to prevent a second Trump presidency.  The Will to Power on the Left is STRONG.  That's why they are throwing EVERYTHING at him, thus the bullshit allegations about loans that were made and repaid years ago.


Ditto for Hillary. Par for the course.  As far as Deep State goes, I would call it Deep Pockets that the Supreme Court allowed in Citizens United v. FEC 5-4 party-line split.  Need I say more?

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Immaterial.  The state has a monopoly on violence.  To the extent Trump avails himself of the courts he is not going to put someone in jail.

It is interesting that he lost so many cases. The lawsuits he 'won' most often were settled, or the other parties simply gave up due to litigation costs and other factors. It's a different equation when the federal and state governments don't give up on his frivolous antics.

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Well yeah, because they are targeting his allies and attempting to deny him representation.


My opinion most of 'em are idiots.  The smarter ones took notes names and and otherwise covered their asses.


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The surest way to learn that an election was rigged is that you get sent to jail for SAYING it was rigged.

62 lawsuits decided by judges from both sides of the political spectrum say it was not rigged.  Trump and Pals did much more than open their mouths to whine about it.  I'll accept 'allegedly' for the moment :)

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Trump is in the middle of a presidential campaign.  I suspect it will be his last, win or lose. The Left wants to muzzle him - but jailing a candidate in the middle of a presidential campaign is, for the time being, beyond the pale even for the Left.  For now.

B/B

The right is still trying to muzzle Biden as well.  If Trump gets jailed in the middle of the campaign it will be for contempt.  His own doing if he so chooses.

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« Reply #191 on: April 20, 2024, 02:12:01 PM »
Here I fixed it for you.

Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for contempt.
Even right now he is practically begging the judge in his case to throw him in jail for Defending himself/running against a democrat.


Please tell me that you believe in free speech. Biden/The DNC/The leftist press can all talk
publicly about the case saying anything they want unchecked but you think that the defendant
who is running for political office can't? The judge has ZERO legal grounds to do anything of the
sort.

There is no law, judge or leftist that can take away or modify the first amendment.

https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/limits-free-speech

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« Reply #192 on: April 21, 2024, 09:28:37 AM »
worth a read


I can give you the text of the first amendment, it really is worth a read as well. I am not required
to dig through a link and find legal reasoning for your arguments. If you have a specific argument
about how a judge can gag Trump from speaking about a political trial held during the course of
an election. Then state it and make your case.

The elected far left thinks that they can shut down anything they disagree with. The left believes that
the constitution does not apply to them. Disagreeing with the far left is a crime, so they can jail and
destroy you.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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« Reply #193 on: April 21, 2024, 09:56:39 AM »
worth a read

Your point was that there are exceptions. However they are so rare and so infrequent that it
almost never happens, that a legitimate exception is made. The far left think that they if they
don't like the speech then they can censor it and silence it. That is exactly what is being done
here. 

There has never been a case of silencing a candidate running for public office in the history of
the USA since the US constitution has been ratified. You can't find one and neither can the
judge in this case.

Yet you posted above as if Trump should be jailed for speaking out.





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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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« Reply #194 on: April 21, 2024, 10:04:51 AM »
Now that the Law quickly catches up to him and his pals, his only defense is to whine and claim foul.  Just look at the long list of Trump lawyers who ended up indicted, pleaded guilty, went to jail, and were disbarred for their dealings related to Trump.  Others may follow.

It is a crime to disagree or run against the left. They will go after everyone who thinks like you do.
Others will follow, because they can not allow any dissent. The far left ideology can only exist in a
vacuum any logical arguments against it and it all unravels. 
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Re: Team Biden/Harris
« Reply #195 on: April 21, 2024, 02:08:03 PM »
If so, the jury is sure to acquit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sure.  You might want to familiarize yourself with the work of the Innocence Project.

Indeed, the topic of the classified documents was covered. You seemed to criticize the timing and lack of a subpoena, and I provided a copy dated 11 May 2022 requesting all classified documents. The search at Mar a Lago was in early August, IIRC, after DOJ learned boxes had been moved around, etc. Had Trump fully complied, I doubt he would face further proceedings on that matter.

I did not criticize the lack of subpoena, I criticized the method by which it was handled, which, especially for a former president, was highly bullshit.

They are turning this into a circus, for example, the pre-dawn raid on the home Roger Stone - at which a CNN crew, completely coincidentally and without any prior coordination just HAPPENED to be present for - a man then in his mid 60s with no history of violence.  Typical protocol would have to arrange, via his attorney, for Stone to turn himself in, but doing that doesn't make for good TV and doesn't taint the jury pool.

IIRC, most of those theories have been fully debunked, with a few resulting in hefty fines and other actions. Mueller issued his report, and Durham was appointed by Trump's own DOJ head Barr to follow up on the conspiracy angles.

You recall incorrectly.  The entire RussiaGate thing was a hoax, the Laptop was real, etc. etc.   Nobody has "debunked" Tony Boubalinski either.  Biden is being protected because he is a DC insider.  The Mueller Report was based on fraudulent evidence that the FBI KNEW was fraudulent at the time of the report - they knew that the Steele Dossier was bullshit within 36 hours of it being turned over to them (this was part of the Sussman investigation).

Ditto for Hillary. Par for the course. 

This is a non-sequitur.  And H-rod was (a) never president, and (b) the intelligence apparatus was never deployed against her. 


62 lawsuits decided by judges from both sides of the political spectrum say it was not rigged.  Trump and Pals did much more than open their mouths to whine about it.  I'll accept 'allegedly' for the moment :)

Typically judges will say it's a non-justiciable political question and they give a lot of deference to the executive branches (of the states).  Ask Al Gore, who somehow managed to get the SCOFL to give him a recount in ONLY 3 heavily D counties.  The joke was on him, though; he netted 3 whole votes in the Miami Dade recount.  For some reason he still goes around saying he won, but hasn't gone to prison over it yet. /shrugs

The right is still trying to muzzle Biden as well.  If Trump gets jailed in the middle of the campaign it will be for contempt.  His own doing if he so chooses.

I doubt he will be jailed for contempt, and if so, it will be for a few hours/days. 

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Re: Team Biden/Harris
« Reply #196 on: April 21, 2024, 02:17:14 PM »
The elected far left thinks that they can shut down anything they disagree with. The left believes that
the constitution does not apply to them. Disagreeing with the far left is a crime, so they can jail and
destroy you.


I would characterize them as the "progressive" - a misnomer if there ever was one - Left.  A liberal would defend the right to free speech of someone they disagreed with; the Progressives stroke off at night over using legal coercion and jail to punish and shut-up those they disagree with. 

The First Amendment protects a variety of rights including political speech.  Trying to use fraudulent "bUt muH CONTeMPTz" to muzzle the leader of the opposition party engaging in an active political campaign would not only be breathtakingly unlawful, but it should also be beyond the pale for any rational civil libertarian.  I hope they do it because it immediately turns Trump into a martyr.

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« Reply #197 on: April 22, 2024, 09:15:51 AM »
I would characterize them as the "progressive" - a misnomer if there ever was one - Left. 
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I believe Statist it's far more accurate.
Statist: an advocate of a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control
over social and economic affairs.

Statism: Whether Fascist or Communist, It's The Deadly Opposite of Capitalism

"Over the last few years, a new and immensely clarifying concept has entered public discussion: "statism."
It has been said that he who controls language controls history. The growing use of "statism" may portend
a political sea change, because it pierces a major Leftist-created smokescreen: the placing of fascism on the Right."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/11/13/statism/?sh=6e2bc1ae5f5c
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Re: Team Biden/Harris
« Reply #198 on: April 22, 2024, 09:39:51 PM »
I believe Statist it's far more accurate.
Statist: an advocate of a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control
over social and economic affairs.

Statism: Whether Fascist or Communist, It's The Deadly Opposite of Capitalism

"Over the last few years, a new and immensely clarifying concept has entered public discussion: "statism."
It has been said that he who controls language controls history. The growing use of "statism" may portend
a political sea change, because it pierces a major Leftist-created smokescreen: the placing of fascism on the Right."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/11/13/statism/?sh=6e2bc1ae5f5c

I think it is more totalitarianism than anything else.

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Re: Team Biden/Harris
« Reply #199 on: April 23, 2024, 12:42:07 AM »
I think it is more totalitarianism than anything else.

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Wikipedia in its first paragraph about fascism states:
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

Further down:
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Fascists often advocate for the establishment of a totalitarian one-party state,[13][14] and for a dirigiste[15][16] economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through economic interventionist policies.
In this quote however, I see more the current left with Biden. They want the democrats to be the -only- choice, by activly trying to deny the republicans their main candidate (Trump) access to a well-run campaign.

However trying to brand someone / some party as fascist is near impossible
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Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have long debated the exact nature of fascism.[27][page needed] Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."

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