Afghanistan: Another Lost American War

[Texan77]

You may wish to add pulling out of Afghanistan allowing theTaliban to successfully overrun the country in a matter of weeks, which shows that the 20yrs which the US were involved there, was a complete and utter waste of time money and dead/injured personel..
Now the US are frantically trying to extract in the region of 200,000 Afgans who assisted them during this time... Same story as Vietnam/Iraq..
The only ones who benefitted from the failed excoursion was the US armourments/bomb/missile/military aviation industries/companies..
AND those senators/delegates whom received financing from said sources...

You got twenty years of less less terrorism all over Europe, Russia and China. Give it w few years and see where the world will be.

[Gipsy]

You may wish to add pulling out of Afghanistan allowing theTaliban to successfully overrun the country in a matter of weeks, which shows that the 20yrs which the US were involved there, was a complete and utter waste of time money and dead/injured personel..
Now the US are frantically trying to extract in the region of 200,000 Afgans who assisted them during this time... Same story as Vietnam/Iraq..
The only ones who benefitted from the failed excoursion was the US armourments/bomb/missile/military aviation industries/companies..
AND those senators/delegates whom received financing from said sources...

You got twenty years of less less terrorism all over Europe, Russia and China. Give it w few years and see where the world will be.

Tex, let us remind ourselves exactly where these (so called) terrorists originated from....

[Steveboy]

You may wish to add pulling out of Afghanistan allowing theTaliban to successfully overrun the country in a matter of weeks, which shows that the 20yrs which the US were involved there, was a complete and utter waste of time money and dead/injured personel..
Now the US are frantically trying to extract in the region of 200,000 Afgans who assisted them during this time... Same story as Vietnam/Iraq..
The only ones who benefitted from the failed excoursion was the US armourments/bomb/missile/military aviation industries/companies..
AND those senators/delegates whom received financing from said sources...

You got twenty years of less less terrorism all over Europe, Russia and China. Give it w few years and see where the world will be.

You got twenty years of less less terrorism all over Europe  Thank you soooo much.. what would we do without you.. any chance of clearing your junk out of Europe also??

[BillyB]

You may wish to add pulling out of Afghanistan allowing theTaliban to successfully overrun the country in a matter of weeks, which shows that the 20yrs which the US were involved there, was a complete and utter waste of time money and dead/injured personel..
Now the US are frantically trying to extract in the region of 200,000 Afgans who assisted them during this time... Same story as Vietnam/Iraq..
The only ones who benefitted from the failed excoursion was the US armourments/bomb/missile/military aviation industries/companies..
AND those senators/delegates whom received financing from said sources...

Trump had a plan and deal with the Taliban to pull out our troops May, 2021 on the condition that there will be no fighting. Biden left without a peace plan. We know the history of leaving without a plan. Biden has experts advising him what will happen if we pull out without an agreement. Now the Taliban seized cities, a billion dollars worth of US military vehicles and equipment. What the media hasn't reporting is that the Taliban will slaughter our friends and rape their wives and children. Biden didn't make a a poor decision. Biden wanted this just like he wanted the border crisis where illegal immigrants flowed into our country.

[Gipsy]

You may wish to add pulling out of Afghanistan allowing theTaliban to successfully overrun the country in a matter of weeks, which shows that the 20yrs which the US were involved there, was a complete and utter waste of time money and dead/injured personel..
Now the US are frantically trying to extract in the region of 200,000 Afgans who assisted them during this time... Same story as Vietnam/Iraq..
The only ones who benefitted from the failed excoursion was the US armourments/bomb/missile/military aviation industries/companies..
AND those senators/delegates whom received financing from said sources...

You got twenty years of less less terrorism all over Europe, Russia and China. Give it w few years and see where the world will be.

Going, going, gone... just like the US (The land of the brave  ) running away from Afghanistan in the middle of the night, the Taliban have taken the country in just over a week...
They (Taliban) have added billions of dollars worth of arms/amunition/equipment to their arsenal thanks to the US..
Thank you America..!!!!

[BillyB]

Biden says the Taliban aren't the North Vietnamese army. You won't see people fleeing from the embassy. Biden says it's highly unlikely the Taliban will overrun the country.

https://t.me/RealGenFlynn/518


Afghani president flees the country as Taliban enters Capital.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/afghanistan-president-flees-country-as-taliban-enters-kabul_3949448.html?v=ul


Biden just gave the Taliban everything we built for the Afghanistan government and strategic military bases.

Thank you America..!!!!

You know we got bad government yet you think Americans who are trying to make America and the world a better place are beating a dead horse. Since the election, I come to realize most men are weak and do nothing but simply complain instead of taking action. My wife loves me for being strong when the situation is dire. She doesn't want her future kids living in a shithole of a country. Part of the reason Afghanistan is going south is because there's not enough real men in the country that would face the thugs in the Taliban. Afghani men need other men to protect them and their families. I don't think we need to be there to protect them forever but Trump's peace plan should've been adopted by Biden. Biden doesn't want peace. He wants chaos.

[andrewfi]

Billykins, what do you think you are doing?

I come to realize most men are weak and do nothing but simply complain instead of taking action.

All you are doing is complaining and, I will add fantasising. You might want to think about what your wife is telling you.

You're not doing anything, you don't even know what is happening around you. You're not being strong, you're weak. You retreat from reality and go into a fantasist fugue state - it's a pattern! Right now, if what you told us is accurate, your wife is busy feeling the opposite of what you are dreaming about.

[BillyB]

Andrew, hopefully a female and hopefully she's human, could tolerate you enough just enough to want to make a life with you so you won't be so miserable. Until that happens, keep telling us being single and lonely is what you want.


Generals do not leave behind military equipment including drones if they had a say. If they were ordered to evacuate, they would tell the soldiers to drive the equipment off the base and load other equipment on planes, trains, and trucks. But they were ordered to leave everything behind, including the terrorist prisoners the Taliban just released. Biden just gave the Taliban something to humiliate when they are shown driving our equipment in a victory parade. World media will make sure we see that.

Afghanistan can go back into the Stone ages and stone women for reading books.


Two true stories that Biden was part of.

https://t.me/realx22report/3514


Look who's sitting in the Afghan Presidential Palace today.

https://t.me/disclosetv/4033


While American Big Tech censors president Trump, the Taliban leader is still allowed to speak to the world on their platforms. It's a crazy world and crazy will come to you if it isn't stopped.

https://t.me/realx22report/3515

[Texan77]

Going, going, gone... just like the US (The land of the brave  ) running away from Afghanistan in the middle of the night, the Taliban have taken the country in just over a week...
They (Taliban) have added billions of dollars worth of arms/amunition/equipment to their arsenal thanks to the US..
Thank you America..!!!!

No body would move troops during a time some could plan attack in a war zone. You bitch if we go to Afghanistan, bitch if we stay in Afghanistan, bitch if we leave.  Is that all you do is bitch, bitch, bitch?

[AvHdB]

Going, going, gone... just like the US (The land of the brave  ) running away from Afghanistan in the middle of the night, the Taliban have taken the country in just over a week...
They (Taliban) have added billions of dollars worth of arms/amunition/equipment to their arsenal thanks to the US..
Thank you America..!!!!

You bitch if we go to Afghanistan, bitch if we stay in Afghanistan, bitch if we leave.  Is that all you do is bitch, bitch, bitch?

    

[andrewfi]

Texan77, I think even you would have to admit the withdrawal from Afghanistan has ended up being incredibly incompetent. A failure of intelligence that cascaded down (or up) to lead to a vision of the world that is as securely connected to reality as anything that Billykins could come up with.

Bear in mind that the USA has been occupying Afghanistan for 2 decades, how could the occupiers know so little about the resistance forces in the country?

This is a failure for the USA and occupying allies. The failure will, obviously, reflect upon perceptions of the USA elsewhere - how could it be otherwise?


On a smaller scale, I wonder if there is any part of Billy's life where he is in touch with reality?

So, no big reveal from Billy's idol?

What kind of reality do these people inhabit. Is what we see with the Billies in the USA on a micro level related to macro level failures of the Washington regime?

[BC]

Texan77, I think even you would have to admit the withdrawal from Afghanistan has ended up being incredibly incompetent. A failure of intelligence that cascaded down (or up) to lead to a vision of the world that is as securely connected to reality as anything that Billykins could come up with.

Bear in mind that the USA has been occupying Afghanistan for 2 decades, how could the occupiers know so little about the resistance forces in the country?

This is a failure for the USA and occupying allies. The failure will, obviously, reflect upon perceptions of the USA elsewhere - how could it be otherwise?


On a smaller scale, I wonder if there is any part of Billy's life where he is in touch with reality?

So, no big reveal from Billy's idol?

What kind of reality do these people inhabit. Is what we see with the Billies in the USA on a micro level related to macro level failures of the Washington regime?

The Taliban have had many months to plan, and execute their re-entry as a governing force.  The 'heart' of the Afghani people was never with our attempt to instill our form of democracy; a lesson that should have been learned long ago.  The Bush/Cheney regime however went ahead anyway, with the vague excuse of chasing Bin Laden.  The only thing the US offered was employment.  I believe even the Taliban profited from this.

Obama, kept the ruse going, and Trump thought he was stronger, promised, but did not pull the plug during his time either.  In the end, staying any longer was untenable.  We wore out our welcome long ago.  Other countries pulled out immediately, not wasting a minute of time.  Of course it was hoped all would happen in a more orderly fashion, the Taliban saw the opportunity for a 'win' and took to the offensive to claim it.

If our folks get out without much loss of life, which the Taliban promised in return for our promised exit in May, which was extended, fine.  It's over, finally.

We can only hope that the mideast will be able to normalize in a peaceful fashion, also having learned that war is never a viable option.

[BC]

On a smaller scale, I wonder if there is any part of Billy's life where he is in touch with reality?

So, no big reveal from Billy's idol?

Nope.

That simple.

[Manny]

So in synopsis, it seems Trump threw in the towel, told the Taliban they had won and the Yanks were pulling out. Biden happily went along with it and it's took only a week or two for the Taliban to take control of the country.

On social media people are likening it to Vietnam. Its a shit show there now as Brits and Yanks flee before the Muslims arrive at the airport. We probably all saw the footage of the panic at the airport, the last place of refuge.

Afghanistan: Defence Secretary admits ‘some people won’t get back’ as British nationals in race to leave

So what do we make of this? The US has admitted defeat and walked away after twenty years. They've essentially handed control to the Taliban, who would have took it one way or another. The president has fled. It seems the US will recognise the Taliban as the official government. Russia and China are already opening up diplomatic channels. Russia is providing military support at the border of Turkmenistan to keep the Taliban out.

Some say this is the final nail in the coffin for Western and American hegemony: US withdrawal from Afghanistan is the sun setting on western hegemony

The US is offering vast sums of cash to the Taliban in order to allow evacuations to proceed. That must come as a suprise to Murricans whose media has been lying to them for two decades.

After the failures that are Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, have we seen the end of the US invasion roadshow? Or will they find another country to invade and occupy in the next few months?

[andrewfi]

BC, agree with all of the above. However, it is blindingly obvious that nobody with influence in the USAian hierarchy expected the rapidity of this outcome. The military and political leadership have been caught with their pants down, rusty sheriff stars on display to the world.

For example, it is clear that the Taliban had implemented a new command structure, that they had been in negotiations with political and military groups across the country and that they had a completely different schedule than that expected by the occupiers. If these new factors had been known, or even suspected, then the actions of the occupation forces would have been very different these past weeks.

[Steveboy]

So in synopsis, it seems Trump threw in the towel, told the Taliban they had won and the Yanks were pulling out. Biden happily went along with it and it's took only a week or two for the Taliban to take control of the country.

On social media people are likening it to Vietnam. Its a shit show there now as Brits and Yanks flee before the Muslims arrive at the airport. We probably all saw the footage of the panic at the airport, the last place of refuge.

Afghanistan: Defence Secretary admits ‘some people won’t get back’ as British nationals in race to leave

So what do we make of this? The US has admitted defeat and walked away after twenty years. They've essentially handed control to the Taliban, who would have took it one way or another. The president has fled. It seems the US will recognise the Taliban as the official government. Russia and China are already opening up diplomatic channels. Russia is providing military support at the border of Turkmenistan to keep the Taliban out.

Some say this is the final nail in the coffin for Western and American hegemony: US withdrawal from Afghanistan is the sun setting on western hegemony

The US is offering vast sums of cash to the Taliban in order to allow evacuations to proceed. That must come as a suprise to Murricans whose media has been lying to them for two decades.

After the failures that are Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, have we seen the end of the US invasion roadshow? Or will they find another country to invade and occupy in the next few months?

Or will they find another country to invade and occupy in the next few months? They already have and its the longest occupation since WW2.. They got US bases all over Europe.. When are they leaving for Christs sake!!

[BC]

Agree with you as well Andrew.

The US continues to play checkers, while the rest of the world plays chess.

It used to be that economy and military, with a bit of added respect and principles presented an overwhelming political force on the world stage.

Nowadays our economy has much bubble, and little substance whilst the military has learned its limitations over the last 60 years.  As for respect and principles..  well, over the last years we have shown we are no different than others, and in some ways even worse off.  Our divisiveness and exceptionalism have evolved into weaknesses instead of strengths.

Like it or not, we're now relegated to trying to work with others rather than exercising unilateral strength.

[andrewfi]

Agree with you as well Andrew.

The US continues to play checkers, while the rest of the world plays chess.

Yeah, I read today that the USA is now trying to bribe the Taliban with huge amounts of money to allow their embassy staff and other Americans to leave the country safely.

The Taliban had already said that they intended to let all foreigners who wanted to leave have free passage out of the country. I have a feeling that following their discussions with the Russians and Chinese over the past few weeks that the Taliban will have taken a leaf from the Russian playbook and will do their best to live up to the commitments they have already made in respect of free passage, women's rights, amnesty for all government and occupation support staff. It won't be perfect, I am sure, but they are in a position to make a point with their neighbours that can stand them in good stead into the future.

[NS1]

Sadly the US does not seem to learn.
Russia tried this, the US have tried other places similar
 and have failed and one would hope learn for future.
But why do I think this will be repeated elsewhere.

[NS1]

The US will always keep bases in Europe for many reasons,
and many want them there for those same reasons.
Hopefully the US has learned, but I somehow doubt it.

[Wiz]

So in synopsis, it seems Trump threw in the towel, told the Taliban they had won and the Yanks were pulling out. Biden happily went along with it and it's took only a week or two for the Taliban to take control of the country.

Some say this is the final nail in the coffin for Western and American hegemony: US withdrawal from Afghanistan is the sun setting on western hegemony

The US is offering vast sums of cash to the Taliban in order to allow evacuations to proceed. That must come as a suprise to Murricans whose media has been lying to them for two decades.

After the failures that are Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, have we seen the end of the US invasion roadshow? Or will they find another country to invade and occupy in the next few months?

The US will always keep bases in Europe for many reasons, and many want them there for those same reasons. Hopefully the US has learned, but I somehow doubt it.

BERLIN IS WASHINGTON'S VASSAL UNTIL 2099?

The former head of the West German Military Intelligence has issued a book revealing secret details of a 1949 US-German treaty, alleging America and its allies have been deliberately suppressing the nations sovereignty. 04/04/2008

March 29, 2008 (the date of publication in Russian)

BERLIN IS WASHINGTON'S VASSAL UNTIL 2099?

Ex-head of MAD reveals shocking details of the 1949 US-German secret treaty

Top intelligence officers rarely reveal secret strings, pulling the nation's political mechanism. Publication of a book like The German card. The obscure game of secret services, authored by Gerd-Helmut Komossa (Gerd-Helmut Komossa. DIE DEUTSCHE KARTE. Das verdeckte Spiel der geheimen Dienste. Ares-Verlag, Graz 2007. – 230 S.), is an exceptional occurrence. Raising very sensitive issues, the author appeals to the core of German identity that had been deliberately suppressed for decades by the United States and its allies.

The book is focused on contradictions between the United States and Germany, sometimes very strong but not supposed to be discussed in public. It was published in Austria, and its distribution in Germany may encounter certain difficulties today. Still, the very fact of its appearance indicates that the German intelligence community is increasingly dissatisfied with the role of a vassal of the United States (the definition applied to Europe by Zbigniew Brzezinski), imposed on Western Germany after World War II.

Gerd-Helmut Komossa reveals the uncomfortable truth about the post-war conditions, dictated by the US and its allies. The state treaty, dated May 21, 1949 and classified by BND as top secret, suggests restrictions of state sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Germany, introduced for a period until 2099. These restrictions include the provision that the winning coalition exercise complete control over Germany's mass media and communications; that every Federal Chancellor is to sign the so-called Chancellor Act; that the gold reserve of Germany is kept under arrest.

In fact, all the German Chancellors, including the incumbent Chancellor Angela Merkel, pay their first foreign visit necessarily to the United States. The whole spectrum of German political parties is supervised by a special Washington-based controlling body, while local US-licensed media serve as a more sophisticated means of brainwashing than the Nazi propagandist machine. Meanwhile, Germany's territory is still occupied by US troops.

This astonishing picture is not a fancy concoction of a political leftist. It is drawn by a military man whose mind has accumulated the experience of several crucial stages of development of the European civilization and Germany in particular. Gen. (Ret.) Gerd-Helmut Komossa took part in World War II and later in the Cold War. Possessing huge amounts of information, he analyzes the existing mechanisms of global policy with strong criticism.

Joining the Wehrmacht in 1943 as a volunteer, Komossa served at the Eastern front. Between May 1945 and April 1949, he was a prisoner of war. In the USSR, he got acquainted with many Russians who appeared to be quite different from the image imposed by the official Nazi propaganda.

Since 1956, he served in the German Bundeswehr, re-established under certain conditions. The abovementioned secret treaty admitted that the German sovereignty is sufficient for the right to build up military forces. According to the Constitution, the troops of the Federal Republic of Germany are carrying put exceptionally defensive functions. However, the Western coalition was pursuing different goals. It needed an army in new uniforms but with the same skills as the Nazi soldiers, perfectly fighting on land, on sea and in the air, and irrecusably abiding orders. Such a type of soldier was essential not only for the occasion of possible military collision with the Soviet bloc but also for fulfilling global missions. The coalition required at least 500,000 German soldiers. In addition, the newly-built army was supposed to purchase weapons and materiel solely from the United States.

During the last two decades, Washington has been trying to force Germany into military partnership in globalistic control. However, the massive effort to get Germany involved in US operations in Somali and Bosnia, as well as in campaigns in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan, has brought about a reverse result, sparking a shift in approach in German strategic circles. The implicit discontent with American policy and essential difference in views on the role of the German people in current history eventually reached a critical dimension.

Since mid-1990s, the attitude of many German military to the United States, and significantly also towards NATO, has essentially changed. Though most of the German officers were not originally inclined against America, a lot of them being educated in the United States, they are now experiencing disappointment and even disgust with Washington's policies. These officers realize that the hegemonistic policy is destined for destruction of socioeconomic systems of particular nations and whole regions, while the so-called order Washington is trying to impose is just a synonym for chaos.

Gerd-Helmut Komossa, in his former capacity of MAD (Military Counterintelligence) Director, was frequently called "a soldier with political thinking". Today, he openly denounces the Bundeswehr's involvement in foreign interventions, referring to the army's constitutional duties.

Meanwhile, Washington urges Germans to go fighting. Conceding to the pressure, Berlin deployed a contingent of troops to Afghanistan. But even this was not sufficient for NATO bosses. Recently, NATO General Secretary Jaap de Hoop Scheffer accused the Bundeswehr of idleness in military operations in the region, and insisted that Germany "increase flexibility" and expand its military mission to the southern regions of Afghanistan.

In his book, Komossa inquires whether the state of affairs when young Germans are recruited in the national army for fulfilling overseas goals for other nations, could be acceptable. The map of operations, supposed to involve German troops, far exceeds the European continent, and has nothing to do with German national interests. "Do Germans expect this from the Bundeswehr? Would they like their soldiers to be called assassins again?" he asks.

However, the United States and its allies don't care much for moral problems. As the secret treaty is valid until 2099, Germans are supposed to go and fight where they are told to.

The German audience will require certain time to digest the shocking information disclosed by General Komossa. The publication of Komossa's "German Card" is one more proof of the world's transformation into a multipolar system. It indicates that Germany is likely to achieve complete sovereignty without waiting for eighty years.

NOTE: This was first published on my old sleepy board on the 3 Oct 2015

 

[BillyB]

Naïve for you guys to think this was simply a bad decision of pulling troops before making sure civilians were pulled out first. No military advisor that cares about lives would tell Biden to do that. It was done on purpose. Joe Biden owed China a favor and although it would costs lives of our friends in Afghanistan, he's repaying China by handing it over to them and the people that aren't friendly to China will be slaughtered. Some of you think this is America's fault and then go an hammer people like myself who wants to Change America by removing the fraud called "Biden" and put in responsible people of integrity to represent America better. Go figure.

Over two weeks ago Taliban flew to China for meeting. China probably told them Biden owes them favors and will get America out of Afghanistan immediately if they promise to do business with China. China also told the Talban get their troops ready to strike

https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/1321

Two weeks ago the media softening us up for what is to come. They write articles that if Taliban takes over, it won't be Biden's fault and it's a good thing China is talking to the Taliban.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/29764

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/29765


Biden says it's highly unlikely the Taliban will overrun the country. He's as confident about that as Obama was with ISIS overrunning things. They both knew better.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/29853


Taliban takes $700 million US embassy. They'll probably give it to China.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/29765


Journalist says he's stuck in Kabul with hundreds of other journalists. If they didn't write articles favorable to the Taliban, they and their families will be slaughtered.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/29745


Female CNN reporter. Look what a difference a day makes in her attire. She reports the Taliban is chanting "Death to America" but they seem friendly. She better not say something that makes them look bad.

https://t.me/disclosetv/4056


Afghanis blocking runway or trying to hitch a ride on the exterior of a C-17 cargo plane, American choppers clear runway. I've heard of up to 7 deaths now from people falling after plane takes off. The other option is slow painful death by Taliban is worse. Mainstream media probably won't show you these videos. They don't want Biden looking so bad.

https://t.me/GeneralMcInerney/1415

https://t.me/joeoltmann/902

https://t.me/disclosetv/4040

https://t.me/disclosetv/4042

https://t.me/disclosetv/4036

https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/1328

https://t.me/realx22report/3528


Afghanis outside White House disgusted with Biden

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1427127865624068096?s=20


After the Taliban names the country "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan", China will humiliate us by officially recognizing the name and new government of Afghanistan at the UN. The Taliban will have victory parades in our military equipment. Our allies such as Taiwan will wonder how reliable we are to their future.

In other news Biden's defense department is pushing hard Critical Race Theory, access to sex change operations and vaccinating 100% of the troops with an experimental vaccine to save them from COVID which has been killing .0001% of our physically fit troops. China is pleased with their investment.

[BillyB]

Trump wouldn't have left Afghanistan without a peace deal guaranteeing no violence. If you guys remembered, Trump had our officials sit down with the Taliban at numerous meetings. We were supposed to leave May 2021 according to Trumps peace deal plan.

Biden owed China a lot of favors. China will be Afghanistan's main business partner now since Biden handed it over to them. I doubt China will allow Russia a piece of the pie. Obama and Hillary used American tax payer money to buy Russian military equipment for the Afghan military to please Russia during the Reset. My guess is the Taliban is going to buy Chinese military hardware from now on with Chinese guaranteeing they will prevent any the return of any NATO affiliated country.

[yankee]

We should compare the British exit from Afghanistan to the American exit.

"More than 16,000 people had set out on the retreat from Kabul, and in the end, only one man, Dr. William Brydon, a British Army surgeon, had made it alive to Jalalabad. "

[andrewfi]

What? Are you suggesting that the USA should reinvade Afghanistan, defeat the forces they face, lay waste to Kandahar and withdraw having successfully set up the country as a buffer state against Russia - the geopolitical objective of the first and second Afghan wars?

If so there's a bit of work to be done, not least because the highly mobile Chinese and Russians are already stepping in.

The world changes. Sometimes history is measured in decades, sometimes in weeks.

By the way, you are, in your post referring to the first Afghan War. And there was not just one survivor.