What to Expect From the Biden-Putin Summit

[2tallbill]

Back when Obama was president he was playing checkers and
Putin was playing chess. Now with Dementia boy as president
Biden is playing Hide and go seek, and Putin is playing I will
look for you tomorrow.

I am surprised that Team Biden is going to let Russia know how
feeble and diminished Biden is, especially as Joe was never very
bright to begin with.

Biden could crap his pants and the Western press will report it
as a success. Look at the silliness that Time magazine writes
about. No good can come from this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin got Alaska back, with team Biden
at the helm.

What to Expect From the Biden-Putin Summit
https://time.com/6053298/putin-biden-summit/

[AvHdB]

There have been a number of summits between the various presidents of The United States and V. Putin.

When you have a President who says to the V. Putin 'you are a killer' and earlier told Putin that 'he had no soul' I fear the summit will be wilted salad with mayo dressing. As I understand things V. Putin has the same team from the very first summit today, J. Biden has . . . Wynken, Blinken, and Nod.

[Markje]

Hmm lets see,

In one corner we have Putin, who has a good idea what the state of the country (Russia) is and relatively few problems people are protesting about.

And then you have Biden, who hasn't managed to unite america as he promised. BLM is still running rampant, defunding-the-police calls have not quieted down and other problems. And so far, he hasn't made any effort to charm the republican/conservatives so they remain hostile to his presidency.

And from that situation he wants to cry about Russian / Belarussian internal politics, when his own house is a mess.

[Gipsy]

One wonders as to why the US have asked for and pushed so hard to get this meeting!!!

[2tallbill]

One wonders as to why the US have asked for and pushed so hard to get this meeting!!!

Team Biden wants to give up American nukes while simultaneously allowing
Russia to keep theirs. It's standard idiot liberal dogma. 

Putin knows he can fleece Team Biden.

[Gipsy]

One wonders as to why the US have asked for and pushed so hard to get this meeting!!!

Team Biden wants to give up American nukes while simultaneously allowing
Russia to keep theirs. It's standard idiot liberal dogma. 

Putin knows he can fleece Team Biden.

 

[AvHdB]

Putin knows he can fleece Team Biden.

I fear a high school class president could accomplish this!

[Texan77]

Hmm lets see,

In one corner we have Putin, who has a good idea what the state of the country (Russia) is and relatively few problems people are protesting about.

And then you have Biden, who hasn't managed to unite america as he promised. BLM is still running rampant, defunding-the-police calls have not quieted down and other problems. And so far, he hasn't made any effort to charm the republican/conservatives so they remain hostile to his presidency.

And from that situation he wants to cry about Russian / Belarussian internal politics, when his own house is a mess.

He has a 60 per cent positive poll, the population likes him and the number is climbing. BLM quiet at home since he got elected. Defund the police has gone by the wayside. Kinda out dated old news.

Billy may not agree but that is what is really happening.

[Contrarian]

Hmm lets see,

In one corner we have Putin, who has a good idea what the state of the country (Russia) is and relatively few problems people are protesting about.

And then you have Biden, who hasn't managed to unite america as he promised. BLM is still running rampant, defunding-the-police calls have not quieted down and other problems. And so far, he hasn't made any effort to charm the republican/conservatives so they remain hostile to his presidency.

And from that situation he wants to cry about Russian / Belarussian internal politics, when his own house is a mess.

He has a 60 per cent positive poll, the population likes him and the number is climbing. BLM quiet at home since he got elected. Defund the police has gone by the wayside. Kinda out dated old news.

Billy may not agree but that is what is really happening.

People with dementia have no clue as to what is really happening.

[Texan77]

People with constant conspiracy theories are really the clueless ones. Beside most of what Biden wants to talk about with Putin is Ukraine. Markje is so out of it he does not know why the talks are even happening. Putin wants us to sell less arms to Ukraine and Biden wants Russia to be less threatening to Ukraine. Yes they may talk about other things too but every thing else is a side note.  And no, I do not think anything serious about nuclear arms are going to happen here. I do not think anything new about Belarus is going to come out of this. I really doubt if any easing of sanctions against any body is going to come out of this. A more stable border between Russia and Ukraine may or may not come out of this. That is yet to be seen.

[AvHdB]

The reality is the personalities of V. Putin and J. Biden are quite different. V. Putin has a clear mandate to protect Russian interests. J. Biden has so many different (special interests) and is seriously compromised in my opinion. I suspect Ukraine will be on the agenda and it will remain as the status qou. V. Putin can not back down and J. Biden can not push further.

If the meeting ends with out becoming a I would consider it a success.

What will be interesting is to see how the various 'news' reports spin the meeting.

[AvHdB]

What is interesting is one of the first foreign leaders to visit the White House latter this summer will be V. Zelensky.

It would not surprise me if he returns to Ukraine with a MAP too membership in NATO.

[Texan77]

Biden had no plans to have this summit until Putin put all those weapons on the border of Ukraine a month ago.  The troops went home but the weapons are still in place. The only card Putin has in this is he could invade Ukraine. No other area is there any common ground other than to reduce tensions in Ukraine. No other reason to have any talks. North stream 2 maybe a bargaining chip in all of this. It is not likely to complete without some type of security deal between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine in Nato and as a EU member is also likely to be talked as part of any deal.

If Russia invades Ukraine all the areas it invades sees all industry stop and he ends up with millions of hungry people that need food, heath care and pensions paid. Then there would be on going security risk of the occupation as there would be up risings and sabotage. Then increased sanctions from the west on top of that. It would not do much to help the Russian federation build any type of improved financial capability any time soon.  It is not an easy win for Russia even though the invasion goes well and they hold the territory.

[Gipsy]

Biden had no plans to have this summit until Putin put all those weapons on the border of Ukraine a month ago.  The troops went home but the weapons are still in place. The only card Putin has in this is he could invade Ukraine. No other area is there any common ground other than to reduce tensions in Ukraine. No other reason to have any talks. North stream 2 maybe a bargaining chip in all of this. It is not likely to complete without some type of security deal between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine in Nato and as a EU member is also likely to be talked as part of any deal.

If Russia invades Ukraine all the areas it invades sees all industry stop and he ends up with millions of hungry people that need food, heath care and pensions paid. Then there would be on going security risk of the occupation as there would be up risings and sabotage. Then increased sanctions from the west on top of that. It would not do much to help the Russian federation build any type of improved financial capability any time soon.  It is not an easy win for Russia even though the invasion goes well and they hold the territory.

What utter codswallop Tex, where on earth do you get such doo da from??
I think that you may find after this meeting something a lot different to that what you are dreaming about..
Firstly, it was Biden who asked for the meeting, that's fact..
Secondly, The discussions will most be about climate change, the US "New world order" desire to impose a 15% tax on all massive corporations, read Amazon, Google and the like, which would include Yandex in the FSU, and Biden wanting Russia's help to attempt to curb China's growing influence in the world, for which he, Biden, will offer some concessions..
The will possibly also discuss Navalny and the guy taken from the plane recently in Belarus.
Ukraine will probably get a mention, but only in a small limited way, and to respond to your bunkum about Russia being afraid of US weapons sent to Ukraine, kindly explain what use they have been up to yet, as the "Rebels" seem to have everything under control against this super-duper stuff.
As for joining The EU and or NATO, well, that's "pie in the sky", and something along those lines may well be a nudge to increase the current conflict which will not be in both sides interest..
I don't know where you get your information from concerning Russian weaponry being left in situ, yes, probably some old stuff has been left deliberately, but from what I've seen, all the "good stuff" has gone home..
When will you "Get it", Ukraine is a failed, bankrupt state and has been for at least the last 15yrs, which nobody wants, not Russia, not the EU, and certainly not the US, as can be seen by Biden NOT including discussing his plans for this meeting with them.

[Gipsy]

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It would not surprise me if he returns to Ukraine with a MAP too membership in NATO.

 

[2tallbill]

People with constant conspiracy theories are really the clueless ones. Beside most of what Biden wants to talk about with Putin is Ukraine. Markje is so out of it he does not know why the talks are even happening. Putin wants us to sell less arms to Ukraine and Biden wants Russia to be less threatening to Ukraine. Yes they may talk about other things too but every thing else is a side note.  And no, I do not think anything serious about nuclear arms are going to happen here. I do not think anything new about Belarus is going to come out of this. I really doubt if any easing of sanctions against any body is going to come out of this. A more stable border between Russia and Ukraine may or may not come out of this. That is yet to be seen.

The way these things work is that Biden's team met Putin's team months
ago and hashed out whatever they could agree on. Then Biden and Putin
meet for a photo op.

Joe has been bad mouthing Putin publicly and the USA has been getting cyber
attacks possibly from Russia, but who really knows? Whatever they are meeting
about has already been decided.

If team Biden did this right, there is absolutely nothing for Joe to do or say.
If Team Putin decides to throw a curveball at this late date then Team Biden
is screwed.

Whatever happens, the media will pretend like Biden is the second coming of
Churchill and Putin is the Devil.

[Texan77]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

[AvHdB]

There is indeed a fair amount a new military hardware along he border with Ukraine. So what?

V. Putin does not want or need a shooting war. 

The sentiment in Ukraine as opposed to the acceptance on Georgia and Moldova is strongly anti-Russian. My opinion Putin misjudged the reality and is going to lose his Queen (Ukraine).

Yes Putin will be played down in the Western press but he is going to maintain the status quo. For him that is in fact a win. The chance that J. Biden slips (no pun intended) is far greater.

And in my opinion Putin does not care a rats ass about climate change.

[Contrarian]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

Hey old boy, please look up the difference between invasion and evasion.

It gets really annoying trying to read your gibberish, how about proofreading what you write before posting it?

Have your nurse or a younger neighbor help you out.

[Gipsy]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

You are so laughable Tex...

Yes, climate change is likely to be discussed along with Navalny, Belarus, (read human rights from the US of all countries especially after the Washington debacle), cybercrime/attacks, election meddling (Ha ha ha), environmental concerns, along with global warming, and of course the Arctic (which the US wishes to control).

Of course Ukraine will get a mention, but only in a small way, as the US knows that should Ukraine get anywhere near to joining NATO, that may well prove to be the "straw that broke the donkey's back).

With regard to Russia holding exercises for its military anywhere on it's own land, well, that's absolutely NOTHING to do with you USasians, at least the exercise on their own land, (at least 50km away from the Ukraine/Donbass borders) also miles away from any US or NATO controlled land (read Latvia, Poland, Lithuania), unlike your own fellow countrymen.. Causing additional, unwanted, undeserved conflict.

Biden may also wish to discuss Russia' plan to form up to 20 new, fully manned with only professional soldiers and the latest equipment battalions, for placement near its northwestern borders.

Nordstream 2 may also get a mention, and the sanctions placed against Russia over the last 10 years or so, illegally I may add, from the country who wishes to be the worlds government, call the shots and police them worldwide.

But one of the main discussion points, which you may not know anything about, is Biden's desire to have an active US airforce base very near to Afghanistan's border after they finally get their arses out of the country, and as Pakistan has flatly refused them , the only other alternative is in a former FSU country.

With regard to the old equipment left nearby after the exercise's, it was a deliberate action, and I would not be surprised if some of the stuff does not get misappropriated/stolen, and ends up in Donbass..

HTH

[Contrarian]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

You are so laughable Tex...

Yes, climate change is likely to be discussed along with Navalny, Belarus, (read human rights from the US of all countries especially after the Washington debacle), cybercrime/attacks, election meddling (Ha ha ha), environmental concerns, along with global warming, and of course the Arctic (which the US wishes to control).

Of course Ukraine will get a mention, but only in a small way, as the US knows that should Ukraine get anywhere near to joining NATO, that may well prove to be the "straw that broke the donkey's back).

With regard to Russia holding exercises for its military anywhere on it's own land, well, that's absolutely NOTHING to do with you USasians, at least the exercise on their own land, (at least 50km away from the Ukraine/Donbass borders) also miles away from any US or NATO controlled land (read Latvia, Poland, Lithuania), unlike your own fellow countrymen.. Causing additional, unwanted, undeserved conflict.

Biden may also wish to discuss Russia' plan to form up to 20 new, fully manned with only professional soldiers and the latest equipment battalions, for placement near its northwestern borders.

Nordstream 2 may also get a mention, and the sanctions placed against Russia over the last 10 years or so, illegally I may add, from the country who wishes to be the worlds government, call the shots and police them worldwide.

But one of the main discussion points, which you may not know anything about, is Biden's desire to have an active US airforce base very near to Afghanistan's border after they finally get their arses out of the country, and as Pakistan has flatly refused them , the only other alternative is in a former FSU country.

With regard to the old equipment left nearby after the exercise's, it was a deliberate action, and I would not be surprised if some of the stuff does not get misappropriated/stolen, and ends up in Donbass..

HTH

HTH?

I don't think it's possible to help Tex, he is too far gone and he's been believing mockingbird controlled us media propaganda for his entire life.

However I really do appreciate your posts for the rest of us observers. What specifically were you referring to when you said: "especially after the Washington debacle"? Do you mean the breaking into Congress back in January and if so what does that have to do with human rights?

If the USA wants an airbase of some sort within an FSU country Putin should tell him to end the sanctions or go f&%$ himself.

[Gipsy]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

You are so laughable Tex...

Yes, climate change is likely to be discussed along with Navalny, Belarus, (read human rights from the US of all countries especially after the Washington debacle), cybercrime/attacks, election meddling (Ha ha ha), environmental concerns, along with global warming, and of course the Arctic (which the US wishes to control).

Of course Ukraine will get a mention, but only in a small way, as the US knows that should Ukraine get anywhere near to joining NATO, that may well prove to be the "straw that broke the donkey's back).

With regard to Russia holding exercises for its military anywhere on it's own land, well, that's absolutely NOTHING to do with you USasians, at least the exercise on their own land, (at least 50km away from the Ukraine/Donbass borders) also miles away from any US or NATO controlled land (read Latvia, Poland, Lithuania), unlike your own fellow countrymen.. Causing additional, unwanted, undeserved conflict.

Biden may also wish to discuss Russia' plan to form up to 20 new, fully manned with only professional soldiers and the latest equipment battalions, for placement near its northwestern borders.

Nordstream 2 may also get a mention, and the sanctions placed against Russia over the last 10 years or so, illegally I may add, from the country who wishes to be the worlds government, call the shots and police them worldwide.

But one of the main discussion points, which you may not know anything about, is Biden's desire to have an active US airforce base very near to Afghanistan's border after they finally get their arses out of the country, and as Pakistan has flatly refused them , the only other alternative is in a former FSU country.

With regard to the old equipment left nearby after the exercise's, it was a deliberate action, and I would not be surprised if some of the stuff does not get misappropriated/stolen, and ends up in Donbass..

HTH

HTH?

I don't think it's possible to help Tex, he is too far gone and he's been believing mockingbird controlled us media propaganda for his entire life.

However I really do appreciate your posts for the rest of us observers. What specifically were you referring to when you said: "especially after the Washington debacle"? Do you mean the breaking into Congress back in January and if so what does that have to do with human rights?

If the USA wants an airbase of some sort within an FSU country Putin should tell him to end the sanctions or go f&%$ himself.

How many are still incarcerated??

[2tallbill]

Yes, climate change is likely to be discussed along with Navalny, Belarus,
(read human rights from the US of all countries especially after the Washington debacle), cybercrime/attacks, election meddling (Ha ha ha), environmental concerns, along with global warming, and of course the Arctic (which the US wishes to control).

A few platitudes might be mouthed but all negotiations have been
concluded before they filled Air force One with fuel. The idea of Biden
is going to be negotiating anything with world leaders is laughable.

Biden will read aloud whatever is written on his teleprompter and maybe
a few platitudes written on 3x5 cards by his aids but nothing else.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill

[Contrarian]

Wow!!! Putin really cares about climate change or any of that other stuff? Are you talking about the G7 meeting? Yes Biden asked for this after Russia move its weapons near the border and caused a crisis in Ukraine. Russia sent the troops home but left the most of weapons near the border.  No they are not old one and enough to be an evasion force to Ukraine. This was their last war games. Putin is very upset with recent arm sales to Ukraine and so this is the way he tried to get Biden's attention.  It seemed to have worked. The Ukraine leader will meet with Biden in the USA shortly after this summit. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-orders-troop-pullback-keeps-weapons-near-ukraine

You are so laughable Tex...

Yes, climate change is likely to be discussed along with Navalny, Belarus, (read human rights from the US of all countries especially after the Washington debacle), cybercrime/attacks, election meddling (Ha ha ha), environmental concerns, along with global warming, and of course the Arctic (which the US wishes to control).

Of course Ukraine will get a mention, but only in a small way, as the US knows that should Ukraine get anywhere near to joining NATO, that may well prove to be the "straw that broke the donkey's back).

With regard to Russia holding exercises for its military anywhere on it's own land, well, that's absolutely NOTHING to do with you USasians, at least the exercise on their own land, (at least 50km away from the Ukraine/Donbass borders) also miles away from any US or NATO controlled land (read Latvia, Poland, Lithuania), unlike your own fellow countrymen.. Causing additional, unwanted, undeserved conflict.

Biden may also wish to discuss Russia' plan to form up to 20 new, fully manned with only professional soldiers and the latest equipment battalions, for placement near its northwestern borders.

Nordstream 2 may also get a mention, and the sanctions placed against Russia over the last 10 years or so, illegally I may add, from the country who wishes to be the worlds government, call the shots and police them worldwide.

But one of the main discussion points, which you may not know anything about, is Biden's desire to have an active US airforce base very near to Afghanistan's border after they finally get their arses out of the country, and as Pakistan has flatly refused them , the only other alternative is in a former FSU country.

With regard to the old equipment left nearby after the exercise's, it was a deliberate action, and I would not be surprised if some of the stuff does not get misappropriated/stolen, and ends up in Donbass..

HTH

HTH?

I don't think it's possible to help Tex, he is too far gone and he's been believing mockingbird controlled us media propaganda for his entire life.

However I really do appreciate your posts for the rest of us observers. What specifically were you referring to when you said: "especially after the Washington debacle"? Do you mean the breaking into Congress back in January and if so what does that have to do with human rights?

If the USA wants an airbase of some sort within an FSU country Putin should tell him to end the sanctions or go f&%$ himself.

How many are still incarcerated??

Excellent point thank you. And apparently quite a few of them have been physically assaulted by big black prison guards thugs who scream at them "we hate white people".

[Contrarian]

The run up to the meeting with Putin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/summit-with-a-killer-what-to-expect-out-of-bidens-meeting-with-putin-221246020.html