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Nordstream II
« on: February 24, 2021, 02:38:44 PM »
While discussing life on Mars and stocks and shares there was never a thread started on NordStreamII

Below is a link regarding this project and interesting observations from Andrew (albeit on another topic) regarding this gas pipeline from Russia to Germany Note I have truncated a fair amount of the below post, my excuses.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream


But there's more. The president has made it clear that he is not in favour of Nordstream II. He and his team have been pressuring government leaders across Europe to end the project. It is almost certain that the Navalny thing is being represented to Trump as a useful tool to implement to get Merkel, in particular, to end the project from the German side. Of course, it does not matter whether the Navalny thing is real or not, Truth is not important in such cases. The importance is the pressure that can be brought to bear upon the targets.

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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2021, 06:04:54 AM »
It seems that the pipelaying for Nordstream 2 has just finished, announced by President Putin in Saint Petersburg.

Президент России на Питерской пленарке: «2,5 ч назад завершена работа по укладке первой Нитки СПГ-2»
Не скрою, долгожданная новость.
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President of Russia at the St. Petersburg plenary: ′′ 2,5 hours ago, the work on laying the first LNG-2 thread was completed ′′
I can't hide it, the long-awaited news.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 06:48:46 AM »
From what I hear, the first of 2 pipelines is completed from end to end, it now needs to be connected to a) the sending pumping station, and b) to the receiving station.
It will then be pressure tested, and inspected for any faulty connections (welds) again, before it can be certified, cleaned, and filled ready to begin supplying gas.
This will be undertaken whilst the second pipeline is being completed.
All being well, one and possibly both legs will be put into service by the beginning of winter, or at the latest by the end of the year.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2021, 07:12:11 AM »
Yeah apparently, testing should commence by the end of this month, June.

My guess, the pipe will carry gas commercially before the German elections even if it is only a symbolic amount.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2021, 08:31:55 AM »
Biden did basically lift, to the dismay of the bootlickers in the US senate, any remaining sanctions concerning Nordstream 2 as a goodwill gesture to Germany in an attempt to bolster a somewhat fractured relationship.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2021, 08:47:01 AM »
Not lifted, just not being applied at this time.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2021, 08:56:07 AM »
Oh brother. Of course he can lift, remover, waive, not apply, reapply or whatever his bosses tell him to do.

If one googles/Duckduckgos the info, one will see a number of different adjectives/verbs to describe the situation.

For example:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-lifted-sanctions-nord-stream-2-almost-completely-finished


The point is the US is not pressing the action and the pipeline can be completed. Stop your nonsense.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2021, 01:29:13 PM »

Putin Tells Merkel whatever you do at the wedding night you'll be ............

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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2021, 02:36:55 PM »
There's a difference between not applying sanctions and removing them.

Think of it this way, a traffic cop might choose not to give you a ticket for speeding. That does not meaning the laws about speeding have been removed.

There's a big difference. Also, the only sanctions not being applied are in respect of German entities. And yes, that is designed to butter up the Germans and in aprt the buttering up comes because the population has been told what you, Danchik reported. The entities under sanction know the difference.

That reporting is inaccurate does not change the truth. That, as you have previously indicated you understand, is a part of the process of misleading people.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2021, 05:28:53 PM »
Whichever way you look at the problem, the fact is the Pipeline is nearly finished........
and soon Germany will have it's secure and cheaper source of Gaz, comparing with the USA Offers.

I am sure the Russians are happy with the end result!

Let's have patience to see what's next on the road for the Empire going down
and how long will take!

I read somewhere else a guess of 2030 could be the year!

Personally I think will take longer!

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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2021, 02:39:46 AM »
My guess, Wiz, would be not so much happy as satisfied. The project was one which Russia, at the highest levels, was not keen on. It took a fair amount of persuasion from Germany, again at the highest level to get the project under way.

I think its fair to say that the project has probably proceeded as the Russian side expected it would - and that's not a good thing.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2021, 04:39:04 AM »
There's a difference between not applying sanctions and removing them.

Think of it this way, a traffic cop might choose not to give you a ticket for speeding. That does not meaning the laws about speeding have been removed.

There's a big difference. Also, the only sanctions not being applied are in respect of German entities. And yes, that is designed to butter up the Germans and in aprt the buttering up comes because the population has been told what you, Danchik reported. The entities under sanction know the difference.

That reporting is inaccurate does not change the truth. That, as you have previously indicated you understand, is a part of the process of misleading people.
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2021, 06:15:42 AM »
My guess, Wiz, would be not so much happy as satisfied. The project was one which Russia, at the highest levels, was not keen on. It took a fair amount of persuasion from Germany, again at the highest level to get the project under way.

I think its fair to say that the project has probably proceeded as the Russian side expected it would - and that's not a good thing.

That's correct as far as I know, and the persuasion used by the German Government was to underwrite the total cost of the project against it not being built/completed, which is why Merkel has been keen to avoid having to repay Russia 10/11 billion $..
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Nordstream II
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2021, 12:27:15 PM »
Whichever way you look at the problem, the fact is the Pipeline is nearly finished........
and soon Germany will have it's secure and cheaper source of Gaz, comparing with the USA Offers.

I don't think that US gas is a realistic or viable alternative. I think that
the USA could send Europe a trickle in case the Euros offended Russia
or pissed them off in some way and needed an emergency supply.

If Europe was smart, they would set up as many options as possible without
relying too heavily on any single option. Global politics and interests are in
constant transition and flux. You don't want to have any one of your suppliers
to have too much influence or power over your economy or your affairs.

That's my two kopecks,

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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2021, 01:04:59 PM »
Bill,
Germany imports gas from Russia, Norway and Holland, though Holland will have little to no gas left by 2030approx.
They could, in an emergency, draw LNG from Spain.
Russia has been a reliable gas supplier to Germany since 1973, so why do you feel that they will turn tail all of a sudden, that's simply a very silly suggestion.
LNG from the US, apart from being much more expensive than Russian gas, is a dirty gas, and needs an expensive cleaning process before it is useable in Germany's gas turbines, or even in domestic boilers.
Add to that, that The US are slowly becoming a large importer of Russian LNG, some of which gets offloaded in Poland ffs..
They are already a large importer of Russian oil now, so maybe, that's what this upcoming meeting is all about..
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2021, 08:10:08 AM »
Right, so now that Europe is freezing a bit over and Nordstream II is (temporary?) not an option, where does Europe get its gas from....

Not only America's LNG but also ... Asia!

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/760944296/eerste-tankers-met-vloeibaar-gas-uit-azie-naar-van-kou-bibberend-europa
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2021, 10:18:15 AM »
Right, so now that Europe is freezing a bit over and Nordstream II is (temporary?) not an option, where does Europe get its gas from....

Not only America's LNG but also ... Asia!

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/760944296/eerste-tankers-met-vloeibaar-gas-uit-azie-naar-van-kou-bibberend-europa

Why isn't Nordstream II an option? I thought it was concluded and now pumping gas to Germany... ???
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2021, 12:59:53 PM »
Right, so now that Europe is freezing a bit over and Nordstream II is (temporary?) not an option, where does Europe get its gas from....

Not only America's LNG but also ... Asia!

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/760944296/eerste-tankers-met-vloeibaar-gas-uit-azie-naar-van-kou-bibberend-europa

Why isn't Nordstream II an option? I thought it was concluded and now pumping gas to Germany... ???

Political pressure from the US on Germany...
NS2 has not been certified, and most probably will not be certified until mid 2022..
Once certified, Gazprom can only use 50% of the pipeline due to new EU rules, the other 50% has to be open for other suppliers, this presents others with a major headache as they do not have any pipelines anywhere near to transit their gas to NS2 start point...
Before you ask, no, they cannot use Gazprom's pipelines...
It should be remembered that Gazprom is fulfilling all of its contracted supplies on time, and also at about 350$ 1000cm, which is thereafter being sold to the highest bidder, so who is making the money???
Non contracted supplies are being transported and sold at market price by Gazprom also...
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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2021, 04:56:37 PM »
Right, so now that Europe is freezing a bit over and Nordstream II is (temporary?) not an option, where does Europe get its gas from....

Not only America's LNG but also ... Asia!

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/760944296/eerste-tankers-met-vloeibaar-gas-uit-azie-naar-van-kou-bibberend-europa

Why isn't Nordstream II an option? I thought it was concluded and now pumping gas to Germany... ???

Political pressure from the US on Germany...

NS2 has not been certified, and most probably will not be certified until mid 2022..
Once certified, Gazprom can only use 50% of the pipeline due to new EU rules, the other 50% has to be open for other suppliers, this presents others with a major headache as they do not have any pipelines anywhere near to transit their gas to NS2 start point...
Before you ask, no, they cannot use Gazprom's pipelines...
It should be remembered that Gazprom is fulfilling all of its contracted supplies on time, and also at about 350$ 1000cm, which is thereafter being sold to the highest bidder, so who is making the money???
Non contracted supplies are being transported and sold at market price by Gazprom also...

Thank you for the very important  information you posted regarding the North Stream II pipeline. but I just wonder if you read or took notice of my previous post:

BERLIN IS WASHINGTON'S VASSAL UNTIL 2099?

What I understood since I read all about Germany from The former head of the West German Military Intelligence who has issued a book revealing secret details of a 1949 US-German treaty, alleging America and its allies have been deliberately suppressing the Nation's Sovereignty.

Taken into consideration the above information, the number of bases around Germany, Italy and the other parts of the EU members and the NATO partners all controlled by the USA, unfortunately they will push Russia and China to the end for their own Survival.

I just read elsewhere that Biden has approved increased spending for their arms etc.......of around 700 billion Dollars above everything else....... so I guess they are preparing themselves for a fight with Russia.... in Ukraine.

All that is part of the Plan for the NEW Century.........prepared several years ago for the Governments of USA.

Question: Having invaded Afghanistan 20 years ago...... this year finally escaped like chicken from Kabul, running for their lives.

I suggest think this scenario because, I am afraid, they will not hesitate to destroy this world.

Check the background of Covid 19, who ordered the Bio-tests in Wughan and paid for the tests........and you will find out who spread it!   It is all out there......... and have names.

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Re: Nordstream II
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2021, 08:49:57 PM »
This may be of interest to some..

https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/MicrosoftEdgeDownloads/dda8e8cb-ef4d-4711-8dbe-b06cfdc3fe5d/international-gas-trade-in-the-netherlands%20(1).pdf

Although a little outdated, this gives an insight into LNG in Europe..
https://www.kslaw.com/attachments/000/006/010/original/LNG_in_Europe_2018_-_An_Overview_of_LNG_Import_Terminals_in_Europe.pdf?1530031152

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