Legal Medical Marijuana

[shakespear]

Well it's been a 42 year absence but I started smoking marijuana again.

Each state is different but here in Ohio you can get a permit for medical use marijuana.  You need to get a medical doctor to approve you after an interview and a review of your medical record.  You can then go to a legal dispensary and buy it like a supermarket.  Price is between $70-$80 for 5.7 grams of flower tops.  You can also get gummies and oils if you prefer. 

I've been using the Indicus strain trying to find something that will help me fall asleep at night.

Anyone else partaking in the "evil weed"?     

[Contrarian]

I've heard that hemp gummies can help to relax or sleep.

[rosco]

A friend of mine is in his mid 50’s & suffers from joint pain (excuse the pun) and arthritis, of which years of rugby didn’t help. He’s bought a weed vape which is illegal over here but discrete. It’s like a flat pen with a THC oil holder housed at the bottom and connected to an app on his phone for management. No smell and I assume healthier than tobacco/weed mix.

He claims to be sleeping well, experiences less pain and has found a dosage that doesn’t blow him away. We call it the peace pipe but I had a shot at his BBQ after a few too many beers earlier this year and refer to it as the breach of the peace pipe.

I had an interesting walk home that evening, I think the wife wanted kiddy reins for me! 

[rosco]

I've heard that hemp gummies can help to relax or sleep.

Yea that’s all the rage over here at the moment. Haribo style gummy bears made with THC oil I’m guessing? I’m thinking younger folks want the hit but smoking isn’t as popular.

[andrewfi]

Rosco, this might be absolutely a case of teaching granny to suck eggs so apologies in advance!

Normally one doesn't vape oil! In fact, it seems that the cases of people dying or being made ill by vaping in the USA last year were doing just that! They were vaping THC/marijuana oil because it was much cheaper than the proper stuff. The oil does not vaporise and it buggers up the lungs in short order. Some vendors do themselves no favours by calling what they sell THC vape oil.

Proper vape fluids use propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin as carriers for the active ingredient.

Marijuana and I are not friends but THC is legal in the UK. I have tried it and found the effect to be mildly relaxing. It is sold in UK vape shops for pain relief and relaxation. Personally I find a high nicotine vape juice to be more effective for relaxation than the THC so I change up to that on occasion. Fortunately I do not seem to find nicotine addictive.

[rosco]

Rosco, this might be absolutely a case of teaching granny to suck eggs so apologies in advance!

Normally one doesn't vape oil! In fact, it seems that the cases of people dying or being made ill by vaping in the USA last year were doing just that! They were vaping THC/marijuana oil because it was much cheaper than the proper stuff. The oil does not vaporise and it buggers up the lungs in short order. Some vendors do themselves no favours by calling what they sell THC vape oil.

Proper vape fluids use propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin as carriers for the active ingredient.

Marijuana and I are not friends but THC is legal in the UK. I have tried it and found the effect to be mildly relaxing. It is sold in UK vape shops for pain relief and relaxation. Personally I find a high nicotine vape juice to be more effective for relaxation than the THC so I change up to that on occasion. Fortunately I do not seem to find nicotine addictive.

I'd need to ask more to clarify exactly what he has but I understand that what he has, isn't legal and it was quite expensive, in fact more so than a bag of weed. The 'oil' was £150 on its own and it was a dark web sort of purchase rather than just a simple adapted vape machine from a street vendor. I have heard about those ones too.

[andrewfi]

Ah, that's more clear. There's a thing whose name I don't recall that can use weed or oil. It's a different principle to vaping. IIRC it's more akin to shisha.

The reason I made the point above was the health and safety issue. I didn't want other people reading the thread to get the idea that vaping cannabis oil was safe - it isn't!

I found out about the thing in the USA after being told by several people that vaping was going to kill me - something I was sure was untrue - so I did a bit of research.

[BillyB]

I went to the doctor for some back pain. He said it was degenerative disease which means I'm getting old. He told me the back pain may never go away but he can prescribe medicine. I asked if the medicine has side effects and can cause other health issues. He said yes. I told him to keep the medicine, I'll live with the pain.

[Danchik]

Well it's been a 42 year absence but I started smoking marijuana again.

Each state is different but here in Ohio you can get a permit for medical use marijuana.  You need to get a medical doctor to approve you after an interview and a review of your medical record.  You can then go to a legal dispensary and buy it like a supermarket.  Price is between $70-$80 for 5.7 grams of flower tops.  You can also get gummies and oils if you prefer. 

I've been using the Indicus strain trying to find something that will help me fall asleep at night.

Anyone else partaking in the "evil weed"?   

I have been known to be in the vicinity of it on occasions, but will only cop to getting a contact high.

The marijuana that's being cultivated today sure and the hell isn't your daddy's weed, it's a helluva lot stronger, or so I hear.

It will be legal soon across the USA once big Pharma and the politicians get itheir hook on the pipeline.

My brother is a connoisseur to say the least. The strains can go as high as 29-30% THC. It was around 4-5% until maybe 20 years ago or so. I can safely say though, the morning after is much better than a night of boozing.

Eating it will be a different high and yes I've done it. It metabolises much differently in the body when eaten, so you have to be extra careful with your dosage. Eating too much can be a problem, I mean a serious problem, for the less experience.

I will say there are more than a few Russians who like to partake.

I went to the doctor for some back pain. He said it was degenerative disease which means I'm getting old. He told me the back pain may never go away but he can prescribe medicine. I asked if the medicine has side effects and can cause other health issues. He said yes. I told him to keep the medicine, I'll live with the pain.

Try some edibles Billy, it will help for sure. Not sure it will cure your problem, but it can definitely ease the pain.

I recommend this book by Dr. John Sarno for back pain, the guy is "the back whisperer". https://jgbukz.ga/read.php?id=EnN2sVVZOAIC.

I don't trust doctors when it comes to back pain. Most are looking to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, and of course skilfully operate on your wallet.

I had back problems and sciatica off and on for a couple of years in the early 2010's and haven't had any problems in the last 5 years after reading this book and following the advice by the good "Doc". It is/was a godsend IMO, and I bless the day I discovered it.

You can read about what other doctors thought about his methods years ago in the book. He (Dr. John Sarno) took a lot of heat from the medical community back in the day until they noticed that his cure rate was 97%. The "best" back specialists were/are lucky to get half that success, even today.

[Manny]

I never developed a taste for the stuff. I tried it as a teenager and wasn’t impressed enough to make it a habit. Most of the people here who smoke it seem to be mentally retarded proles. I can’t comment about the people that claim to take it for medical purposes. I know people claim it helps various conditions. I used to have a girlfriend who smoked it, and it used to drive me up the wall.

It suits the government if people are dossing around at home in a vegetative state. It means they have no time to think about revolutions and protests and politicians can keep stuffing their pockets full of money. If they can tax it, that will suit them.

[andrewfi]

Vaping THC is not the same as smoking cannabis. The chemicals that get a person high are removed from the stuff you vape.

The stuff that helps pain and other things remains.

[shakespear]

Vaping THC is not the same as smoking cannabis. The chemicals that get a person high are removed from the stuff you vape.

The stuff that helps pain and other things remains.

Andrewfi is talking about CBD's.  Here in Ohio anyone on the street can walk into a store and buy CBD's.  Pot with THC is the stuff you have to get a medical prescription to buy.  Each state has their own peculiar laws.  For example in Ohio I can legally buy medical marijuana but for vaping only.  If I roll it into a joint and smoke it I've violated the law. 

There are two species of marijuana:  canabis sativa and canabis indicus.  The former is the type that makes you giddy, and gives you the munchies.  The later makes you calm relaxed and sleepy. 

[AvHdB]

What a bunch of pot heads.

[Orchid]

Well it's been a 42 year absence but I started smoking marijuana again.

Did you mean abstinence?
Nothing can be more enjoyable than clear and healthy mind.
Something is going on in your life, and you are trying to medicate yourself.
I would like to warn you about some basic consequences of using marijuana:
1. It's a depressant, like alcohol. With everyday use, you will develop depression.
2. It's highly addictive.
3. You will gain weight.

Doxepin 10mg before bed will let you sleep like a baby. It also helps with pain and improves mood.
And it's cheap.

Thanks for the legal information.

[Orchid]

I told him to keep the medicine, I'll live with the pain.

Love it! 
Still, there are many nonpharmacological interventions to keep pain under control.

[shakespear]

I would like to warn you about some basic consequences of using marijuana:
1. It's a depressant, like alcohol. With everyday use, you will develop depression.
2. It's highly addictive.
3. You will gain weight.

I don't agree with you.  It is a depressant but regular use will not lead necessarily lead to depression.  It is not physically addictive at all and is only slightly mentally addictive.  I smoke right before going to bed and don't eat anything until next morning.  Satavia is the species that gives you the "munchies".  Most strains of Indicus do not have that side effect.

[shakespear]

Trying to buy some flower tops of the Bio-Chem strain by 303 Seeds.  Been told that this is the best strain for sleep.  Can't seem to find any on line for sale.

[shakespear]

I went to the doctor for some back pain. He said it was degenerative disease which means I'm getting old. He told me the back pain may never go away but he can prescribe medicine. I asked if the medicine has side effects and can cause other health issues. He said yes. I told him to keep the medicine, I'll live with the pain.

One of the reasons my doctor approved me for medical marijuana was to get off small dose prescription opioids for pain.  Pot does a great job of pain relief.  You might want to give it a try.

[Orchid]

I don't agree with you. 

I expected that.

[BillyB]

I like the state of mind I'm in. My wife likes the state of mind I'm in. No need to change my mind.

Shakespear, if you are having a hard time sleeping, work and exercise more to get yourself mentally and physically tired. It's an all natural solution and not only will you accomplish a lot, you will have exercised your brain and you'll be in good physical shape. I work two businesses and work extra hard to keep the wife happy. After spending my remaining energy harassing people on the internet, I'm tired at the end of the day and I sleep like a baby.

[Danchik]

Well it's been a 42 year absence but I started smoking marijuana again.

Did you mean abstinence?
Nothing can be more enjoyable than clear and healthy mind.
Something is going on in your life, and you are trying to medicate yourself.
I would like to warn you about some basic consequences of using marijuana:
1. It's a depressant, like alcohol. With everyday use, you will develop depression.
2. It's highly addictive.
3. You will gain weight.

Doxepin 10mg before bed will let you sleep like a baby. It also helps with pain and improves mood.
And it's cheap.

Thanks for the legal information.

There is no evidence that any of the above is scientifically true.

Marijuana is not for everyone and different people will react differently to the "drug". There are some people who should definitely not use it, ever.

There is no scientific evidence that marijuana causes depression with everyday use over time. Marijuana is a depressant drug, which means it slows brain receptors. It also amps up dopamine, so it acts as an antidepressant/stimulant to many. Dosage is also key. It can also act as hallucinogen to some, again depending on dose and person. There are so many factors that go into depression, that to say one thing causes it is disingenuous.

I personally know thousands of healthy, happy people who light up on a regular basis. Businessmen, lawyers, contractors, DOCTORS/nurses, people from all walks of life, all whom are highly productive in their fields.

It's highly addictive - again complete BS for most of the people using it. While there are some who, because of the chemistry of their brain, have a higher chance to become "psychologically" addicted. Nevertheless, marijuana for the vast majority of people isn't addictive. If you want to make an argument that marijuana is psychologically addictive, you won't get much of an argument from me, although again, this affects a small percentage of people.

It certainly isn't anywhere close to being physically addictive like tobacco and alcohol, nor is the "collateral" damage from marijuana use anywhere near what it is for those two "socially" accepted DRUGS. And I won't even get into food chemistry and its negative consequences, but it takes me to this comment.

You will gain weight - huh? This is a ridiculous statement and completely unfounded.

Marijuana should not be used by some people, this is a well known fact. Adolescents/teens should not use it, especially given today's strength. There are always risk factors when taking any drug including many OTC drugs which I assume everyone here has used one time or another. Even food can be addictive, which IMO, suggests an addictive personality.

I'll take a good, clean strain of marijuana over doxepin anyday for sleep, are you kidding me.

Some people swear by CBD's which haver a much lower level of THC. While it's certainly no cure-all, it has been shown to be effective for pain relief, mild depression, insomnia. and especially epilepsy. There is still more research that needs to be done to pinpoint its effectiveness.

Some of the comments here are reminiscent of the movie below; IOW old and outdated. Part of the problem is that marijuana has been stigmatised for generations. Of course, there are downsides to marijuana use for some people, as with most things in life.

Maybe some of you can relate.

[Danchik]

Trying to buy some flower tops of the Bio-Chem strain by 303 Seeds.  Been told that this is the best strain for sleep.  Can't seem to find any on line for sale.

Are you in Florida yet Shakey? You shouldn't have a problem finding what you want there.

[Orchid]

After spending my remaining energy harassing people on the internet, I'm tired at the end of the day and I sleep like a baby.

    

[Orchid]

One of the reasons my doctor approved me for medical marijuana was to get off small dose prescription opioids for pain. 

We started with the sleep problem. Now there is pain and opioids use.
No more comments!
Thanks for being open-minded.

[Orchid]

Well it's been a 42 year absence but I started smoking marijuana again.

Did you mean abstinence?
Nothing can be more enjoyable than clear and healthy mind.
Something is going on in your life, and you are trying to medicate yourself.
I would like to warn you about some basic consequences of using marijuana:
1. It's a depressant, like alcohol. With everyday use, you will develop depression.
2. It's highly addictive.
3. You will gain weight.

Doxepin 10mg before bed will let you sleep like a baby. It also helps with pain and improves mood.
And it's cheap.

Thanks for the legal information.

There is no evidence that any of the above is scientifically true.

Marijuana is not for everyone and different people will react differently to the "drug". There are some people who should definitely not use it, ever.

There is no scientific evidence that marijuana causes depression with everyday use over time. Marijuana is a depressant drug, which means it slows brain receptors. It also amps up dopamine, so it acts as an antidepressant/stimulant to many. Dosage is also key. It can also act as hallucinogen to some, again depending on dose and person. There are so many factors that go into depression, that to say one thing causes it is disingenuous.

I personally know thousands of healthy, happy people who light up on a regular basis. Businessmen, lawyers, contractors, DOCTORS/nurses, people from all walks of life, all whom are highly productive in their fields.

It's highly addictive - again complete BS for most of the people using it. While there are some who, because of the chemistry of their brain, have a higher chance to become "psychologically" addicted. Nevertheless, marijuana for the vast majority of people isn't addictive. If you want to make an argument that marijuana is psychologically addictive, you won't get much of an argument from me, although again, this affects a small percentage of people.

It certainly isn't anywhere close to being physically addictive like tobacco and alcohol, nor is the "collateral" damage from marijuana use anywhere near what it is for those two "socially" accepted DRUGS. And I won't even get into food chemistry and its negative consequences, but it takes me to this comment.

You will gain weight - huh? This is a ridiculous statement and completely unfounded.

Marijuana should not be used by some people, this is a well known fact. Adolescents/teens should not use it, especially given today's strength. There are always risk factors when taking any drug including many OTC drugs which I assume everyone here has used one time or another. Even food can be addictive, which IMO, suggests an addictive personality.

I'll take a good, clean strain of marijuana over doxepin anyday for sleep, are you kidding me.

Some people swear by CBD's which haver a much lower level of THC. While it's certainly no cure-all, it has been shown to be effective for pain relief, mild depression, insomnia. and especially epilepsy. There is still more research that needs to be done to pinpoint its effectiveness.

Some of the comments here are reminiscent of the movie below; IOW old and outdated. Part of the problem is that marijuana has been stigmatised for generations. Of course, there are downsides to marijuana use for some people, as with most things in life.

I had so much fun with this "scientific" post!!!
--"it slows brain receptors" - there is no such physiological actions like "slowing" receptors. There are agonists, antagonists, patial agonist, inverse......... and so on.
--"It also amps up dopamine" - marijuana has nothing to do with dopamine. It acts on two receptors: CB1 and CB2. The location of those receptors in brain modulates the response. For example, disruption of short-term memory in marijuana users explained by abandance of CB1 receptors in hippocampus.
--"It can also act as hallucinogen" - marihuana is not a hallucinigen. Having hallucinations with marihuana use called PSYCHOSIS.
-- "Marijuana is a depressant drug", and then "There is no scientific evidence that marijuana causes depression with everyday use over time".  just read what you wrote.
--"You will gain weight - huh?" - marijuana is effective in treatment of cachexia in cancer patients.

That's enought. I don't like to write long posts.