Ancient Aliens, Truth or Fiction?

[2tallbill]

Stop behaving like Andy and engaging in even more childish attempts at logic.

And stop wasting my time.

You made the Infinite Monkey argument in the quote below.
You are not required to read or respond to my comments, so stop
wasting your own time if you find something else more valuable or
productive to spend your time on.

I will comment on threads without seeking your approval or permission.

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"Even renowned physicist Carl Sagan wrote a peer-reviewed paper while at Stanford, that gave an in-depth statistical analysis and explanation for why he believed that not only do aliens exist, but they must have come to Earth at some point in our early history.

The essence of his argument is one of the probabilities. In a Universe that is so large, it is virtually impossible that our one, small, planet could be the only one which as ever generated intelligent life."

[andrewfi]

Confederate, assuming that Carl Sagan wrote as you propose, then it is clear that, like other intelligent people, his thinking changed over time as he learned more.

In the paper linked below he makes a strong case arguing the opposite position. Read it and see!
He and his collaborator look at several models of colonisation and civilisation growth and argue that a successful civilisation capable of interfering on Earth would not do so - they would choose to not do so. That accords with my understanding and reading the paper quickly it made points with which I was already familiar - but did not until now know, that the points had originated with Sagan.
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1983QJRAS..24..113S/0000120.000.html

Isn't it great how intelligent people learn and grow?

Thanks for piquing my curiosity. I learned something just now. Take the same leap for yourself.

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https://vimeo.com/721077055/83b5fb5445

[Manny]

dont you think the odd skeleton or something else one might regard as proof would pop up from time to time?

That no credible proof exists, puts them in the same category as the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, fairies, leprechauns, goblins and Moby's "action" with the Blue Berets. All things that some believe but for which there is no proof.

There's still this. No skeletons, no DNA, none captured, none photographed.

[andrewfi]

But, Manny, Mr Putin is an alien! He proves that aliens walk among us.

Well, that's my theory, I believe it to be a fact, so it must be true.


Nopez, it ain't a theory, it isn't a fact and aliens do not walk among us.

[Steveboy]

dont you think the odd skeleton or something else one might regard as proof would pop up from time to time?

That no credible proof exists, puts them in the same category as the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, fairies, leprechauns, goblins and Moby's "action" with the Blue Berets. All things that some believe but for which there is no proof.

There's still this. No skeletons, no DNA, none captured, none photographed.

The planet is about 5 billion years old in that time there could of been 2/3 civilizations on the Earth.. there should be about another 5 billion years left for Earth before the Sun goes Supernova.. lets say there was a global catastrophe next week and every thing was wiped out .. fast forward 2 billion years .. several solar flares hitting the planet.. the odd rock or two..continental shelf movement there would be pretty well zero records of us Humans .. most fossils are just in the 250 million year old group.. so life could start again and maybe some aliens will visit the next time around..

Im pretty sure my ex wife was an alien..

[andrewfi]

Steve, I kinda doubt that. The numbers speak against it.

A couple of examples:
1) Fossil fuel - natural gas, petroleum. Takes millions of years to form and we are burning through it fast enough that we will deplete the stuff to a point where it is uneconomic to continue to use the stuff with the lifetime of your grandkids, if not much sooner. There's not really time for that to have been generated more than once in the history of the planet.

2) Metal ores - take even longer to create, billions of years. Again, we are eating our way through the earth's deposits such that, again, we will likely run out of economic sources within a generation or two. That stuff was created only once when the planet was very young. Once it is gone, it is gone. So, a previous civilisation would likely have used up the deposits during the life of their civilisation.

Of course, if the predecessors were even more intelligent dolphins who had no use for tools or energy, then maybe - but what're the odds of that?

[Steveboy]

Steve, I kinda doubt that. The numbers speak against it.

A couple of examples:
1) Fossil fuel - natural gas, petroleum. Takes millions of years to form and we are burning through it fast enough that we will deplete the stuff to a point where it is uneconomic to continue to use the stuff with the lifetime of your grandkids, if not much sooner. There's not really time for that to have been generated more than once in the history of the planet.

2) Metal ores - take even longer to create, billions of years. Again, we are eating our way through the earth's deposits such that, again, we will likely run out of economic sources within a generation or two. That stuff was created only once when the planet was very young. Once it is gone, it is gone. So, a previous civilisation would likely have used up the deposits during the life of their civilisation.

Of course, if the predecessors were even more intelligent dolphins who had no use for tools or energy, then maybe - but what're the odds of that?

Yes they could of been dolphins .. and disappeared forever.. or maybe some Amazonian women tribe who never got of some Volcanic Island .. they could of easily disappeared to the earths core..

[AvHdB]

Steve, I kinda doubt that. The numbers speak against it.

A couple of examples:
1) Fossil fuel - natural gas, petroleum. Takes millions of years to form and we are burning through it fast enough that we will deplete the stuff to a point where it is uneconomic to continue to use the stuff with the lifetime of your grandkids, if not much sooner. There's not really time for that to have been generated more than once in the history of the planet.

2) Metal ores - take even longer to create, billions of years. Again, we are eating our way through the earth's deposits such that, again, we will likely run out of economic sources within a generation or two. That stuff was created only once when the planet was very young. Once it is gone, it is gone. So, a previous civilisation would likely have used up the deposits during the life of their civilisation.

Of course, if the predecessors were even more intelligent dolphins who had no use for tools or energy, then maybe - but what're the odds of that?

Yes they could of been dolphins .. and disappeared forever.. or maybe some Amazonian women tribe who never got of some Volcanic Island .. they could of easily disappeared to the earths core..

For myself I would rather eat with her than fight her.

[dorbradavid]

Im pretty sure my ex wife was an alien..

lol 

[andrewfi]

Im pretty sure my ex wife was an alien..

lol 

Some guys seem to be extraordinarily unfortunate in their mate selection.
One can only hope that they improve to an extraordinary degree.

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dont you think the odd skeleton or something else one might regard as proof would pop up from time to time?

That no credible proof exists, puts them in the same category as the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, fairies, leprechauns, goblins and Moby's "action" with the Blue Berets. All things that some believe but for which there is no proof.

There's still this. No skeletons, no DNA, none captured, none photographed.

That's not true the Smithsonian and others were instrumental in hiding away giant skeletons found right here in the USA. Our DNA has clearly been manipulated.

If you're truly interested then you need to begin to do the research and there's tons of it. There's a retired British military specialist on UFO's right there in the UK.

Why not start by reading or hearing some of his opinions? Honestly you're too busy with your business and other stuff so you only read quick fake news articles.

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A Controlled Narrative

"While stories of this nature sound fantastical, there are numerous reports of skeletons of the same size appearing in newspaper articles from The New York Times and other reputable sources. The majority of these reports occur during the mid to late 19th century, which Vieira sees as being the turning point in a censored narrative that has now dominated our history textbooks. He says he thinks that awareness of both the mounds and giants was common knowledge during this primarily agrarian time. There is even supposed reference to it from Abraham Lincoln. In a written account of a speech that he was preparing to give at Niagara Falls, he wrote,

“The eyes of that species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara, as ours do now.”


https://www.gaia.com/article/giant-skeletons-have-been-found-buried-in-mounds-across-america

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"Many of these discoveries were sent to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C., seemingly never to be heard about again. The Smithsonian's own records describe at least 17 giant skeletons in annual reports. This book examines a possible cover-up initiated by Smithsonian scientists starting in the late 1800s. The origins of “the tall ones” has been shrouded in mystery for centuries, but this book reveals where they came from, why they got so large, and the reason for their downfall, using the latest scientific research, genetic data, native myths, news reports, and ethnological research. This has become one of the most gripping stories of the last few centuries and for the first time the truth of the giants of North America has been revealed. This book also reveals: - How early explorers to America witnessed these giants first-hand, including Sir Francis Drake, John Smith and even some of the early presidents. - Legends and myths that talk of cannibalistic, red-haired giants. - Strange inscriptions, metal armor, mummified remains, and sophisticated technologies buried with the skeletons. - How secret societies such as the Rosicrucians, Freemasons and Theosophists all claim the existence of giant humans in the past as historical fact in their literature. - How the giants may be connected to the Denisovans from Siberia, the Nephilim of Bible tradition, and other ancient cultures."


https://www.amazon.com/Giants-Record-Americas-History-Smithsonian/dp/0956786510/ref=sw_ttl_crh_rh_sim_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0956786510&pd_rd_w=kwiYt&content-id=amzn1.sym.186db2d2-8006-440e-ba30-ebd2cdcc4fbc&pf_rd_p=186db2d2-8006-440e-ba30-ebd2cdcc4fbc&pf_rd_r=RNTN3Q5H01R84T08WDBA&pd_rd_wg=HCMSt&pd_rd_r=313988a5-7591-4eda-b116-e75c808825d0

[2tallbill]

The origins of “the tall ones”

The Greeks wrote extensively about Giants

"The giants of Greek mythology--or Gigantes ("the earth-born") as they are named
in the Greek tongue--were a class of oversized and ofttimes monstrous men closely
related to the gods. The most famous of these were the hundred Thracian Gigantes
who waged war on the gods, but there were many others besides including the
handsome giant Orion, the one-eyed Polyphemus and the six-armed Gegenees."₁

Orion was said to be able to walk on water.




1. https://www.theoi.com/greek-mythology/giants.html

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Time to bring this thread back to life! 

This one is about UFO's and missing persons in our national parks.

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Richard Dolan famed UFOlogist and author has an interesting YouTube channel titled
INTELLIGENT DISCLOSURE

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KWKmsYsc2OA

[AJ]

Time to bring this thread back to life! 

This one is about UFO's and missing persons in our national parks.

I've hiked our national.parks a lot.
Both alone and with family.

 But have never seen big foot yet.
Ive had a mountain lion follow me which was creepy enough lol

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Preview, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.

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