Russian Coronavirus Vaccine

[rosco]

Yes the vaccine Russia is making may work just fine . Putin is doing this for political gain and is taking the risk. If it works then he is a genus and if it does not then RT news will cover it up.

How very open minded of you Tex.

[andrewfi]

Yes the vaccine Russia is making may work just fine . Putin is doing this for political gain and is taking the risk. If it works then he is a genus and if it does not then RT news will cover it up.

How very open minded of you Tex.

How well do you think Texan77's irony detection circuitry works?

[Texan77]

When was the last time you read a scathing article about Putin in RT news?  Leader in the USA, western Europe and even Ukraine get them every week if not everyday. But Putin is so perfect he never gets one. FAKE!!!!

Russia is producing a low tech vaccine where UK and the US are work on a high text new way to producing them. The vaccine has less foreign material which hopefully will make safer but it is now being work on to see if that is really the case by having a clinical trail involving over thirty thousand people in many countries and all age groups. The vaccine in the that Russia is producing is made by taking the live virus and killing it separating the parts they want. Modernia and oxford vaccine are manufactured to have no left over parts hopefully making it safer. Nothing is proven until it is proven that is why it is being tested.

If the USA did what Putin did you guys would be all over us about safety issues but because Russia did it then they are first there the greatest even if the only thing they did was skip testing. North Korea could of done that.

[BillyB]

State controlled media will keep us informed if it works and will tell us it's not causing long term health effects. Putin's going to be president till 2036. He has an image to protect. Hopefully hundreds of millions of Russians don't get hurt over this stunt. Since Russia won't release any data on this vaccine, it could be an existing vaccine in their medicine cabinet that already been through trials and they're simply relabeling the bottles for COVID. The other Russian vaccines in development are going through phase 2 and 3 trials before being released because Russian medical scientists know that is the right thing to do.

[Manny]

Russia is producing a low tech vaccine

Ooh, another geneticist and tropical disease expert. What with Moby's imaginary qualifications that have no name, you two could team up and made one months ago. 

What on earth does it matter how the vaccine is made if its safe and does the job?

[BillyB]

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has volunteered the Filipino people to test out the new Russian vaccine with himself to be the first taking the vaccine. Philippines will enter an agreement with Moscow to test, produce and supply the vaccine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippines-duterte-says-russia-vaccine-093309483.html

The Philippines in 2016 was the first nation to use dengue vaccine Dengvaxia in a mass programme, but a botched rollout led to claims several dozen children had died after being vaccinated.

[Texan77]

Ooh, another geneticist and tropical disease expert. What with Moby's imaginary qualifications that have no name, you two could team up and made one months ago. 

What on earth does it matter how the vaccine is made if its safe and does the job?

OK take your family, children and get then. The problem is it might be safe then it might not. What part of un tested do you not get?

[Manny]

Ooh, another geneticist and tropical disease expert. What with Moby's imaginary qualifications that have no name, you two could team up and made one months ago. 

What on earth does it matter how the vaccine is made if its safe and does the job?

OK take your family, children and get then. The problem is it might be safe then it might not. What part of un tested do you not get?

I refer you to reply #8. No need to repeat myself.

[Manny]

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has volunteered the Filipino people to test out the new Russian vaccine with himself to be the first taking the vaccine. Philippines will enter an agreement with Moscow to test, produce and supply the vaccine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippines-duterte-says-russia-vaccine-093309483.html

You're learning how the world moves on without the good old US of A.

You blokes are still messing about and these countries are getting on with it. 

[andrewfi]

Russia is producing a low tech vaccine

Ooh, another geneticist and tropical disease expert. What with Moby's imaginary qualifications that have no name, you two could team up and made one months ago. 

What on earth does it matter how the vaccine is made if its safe and does the job?

Only one problem, the Russian solution is very far from being 'low tech'. That Texan77 has been programmed to think so and accept it as fact shows the fundamental lack of knowledge supporting his programmed opinion.

The sad thing is that learning the truth is extremely easy, so easy, that being so poorly informed is a matter of personal choice.

[BillyB]

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has volunteered the Filipino people to test out the new Russian vaccine with himself to be the first taking the vaccine. Philippines will enter an agreement with Moscow to test, produce and supply the vaccine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippines-duterte-says-russia-vaccine-093309483.html

You're learning how the world moves on without the good old US of A.

You blokes are still messing about and these countries are getting on with it. 

Do you recommend Trump asking Putin to supply Americans with their vaccine since you believe it's a good thing some world leaders are embracing it? Any medical experts out there think releasing the vaccine right now is a good thing? I haven't read any articles by medical experts saying positive things about the Russian vaccine. The rules already have been relaxed for all vaccines in development. Relaxing all rules and cutting more corners significantly magnifies risk. The cure may be worse than COVID. Does anybody know if Putin will allow medical professionals and teachers to opt out from taking the vaccine?

[Manny]

Do you recommend Trump asking Putin to supply Americans with their vaccine since you believe it's a good thing some world leaders are embracing it?

Again, for the inattentive, I refer you to reply #8.

Any medical experts out there think releasing the vaccine right now is a good thing? I haven't read any articles by medical experts saying positive things about the Russian vaccine.

Can you read Cyrillic? Do you read Russian media? Breaking news: You'll not find anything positive about Russia on American media. Who'da thunk it? 

[rosco]

Russia is producing a low tech vaccine

Ooh, another geneticist and tropical disease expert. What with Moby's imaginary qualifications that have no name, you two could team up and made one months ago. 

What on earth does it matter how the vaccine is made if its safe and does the job?

Only one problem, the Russian solution is very far from being 'low tech'. That Texan77 has been programmed to think so and accept it as fact shows the fundamental lack of knowledge supporting his programmed opinion.

The sad thing is that learning the truth is extremely easy, so easy, that being so poorly informed is a matter of personal choice.

Both Tex & Billy have been programmed to assume that anything foreign, has to be low tech, untrustworthy, cheap or corner cutting. Worse still, if it’s Russian, North Korean or anyone else in uncle Sams naughty corner, it’s a con.

Anything not coming out of the greatest country in the world is second rate ya’ll. 

[BillyB]

Do you recommend Trump asking Putin to supply Americans with their vaccine since you believe it's a good thing some world leaders are embracing it?

Again, for the inattentive, I refer you to reply #8.

Post #8 doesn't answer my question. Try again.

Can you read Cyrillic? Do you read Russian media?

If you have an article I'm asking for, post it and I'll read it.

[AvHdB]

Would any of you take the Russian covid vaccine?

Once a few thousand others have had it and if nobody has turned into a vegetable, why not?

If Putin's daughter has been done, he must be confident enough.

What happened to the good old US of A and how its vaccine will be first? 

If I were Putin, I'd make it very expensive to the US and supply conditional on removal of sanctions.

This is post #8.

It seems to me Russia has created a the equivalent of a new vehicle, something like a three wheeled car. Wait the Brits did that! What was the nick name, Plastic Pig?

But it is amusing to see Manny indicating how Russian foreign policy perhaps .should be conducted. Worth noting if ms stated the above there would a flurry of neggy posts. But wait there is an entire thread how the sanctions do not work!

[andrewfi]

Lots of misinformation and lack of understanding going on in this thread. I get it, almost none of you have the will or ability to learn from primary sources and so you get programmed to a greater or lesser degree.

So, to put that right, end misinformation here's an interview with the 'creator' of the primary Russian coronavirus vaccine candidate: https://meduza.io/feature/2020/07/23/sozdatel-rossiyskoy-vaktsiny-ot-koronavirusa-denis-logunov-dal-meduze-pervoe-bolshoe-intervyu-on-rasskazal-stoit-li-zhdat-privivok-k-sentyabryu-2020-goda

For interest, here's a link to the Russian registration certificate for Sputnik V, the lead vaccine candidate. https://grls.rosminzdrav.ru/Grls_View_v2.aspx?routingGuid=d494c688-0bc6-4c30-9e81-23f043ceb43e&t=

As you'll see, this is equivalent to the USAian emergency use authorisation that permits rapid process of testing - essentially authorising 3rd stage testing including volunteers from high risk groups such as health care workers and educators. Yes, Sputnik V is going through normal testing processes, contrary to uninformed 'opinion' bruited about in English-speaking news/entertainment media.

The vaccine is due to enter phase three trials on August 13th. https://sputnikvaccine.com/about-vaccine/clinical-trials/

Now, can we please stop sounding like a bunch of barking apes and start to sound like averagely intelligent humans?

[msmoby]

Now, can we please stop sounding like a bunch of barking apes and start to sound like averagely intelligent humans?

The clue was andrewfi posting like he was 'teacher' and knew more stuff ... when he has been as guilty of promoting' a non phase three tested vaccine.. 

[rosco]

Now, can we please stop sounding like a bunch of barking apes and start to sound like averagely intelligent humans?

The clue was andrewfi posting like he was 'teacher' and knew more stuff ... when he has been as guilty of promoting' a non phase three tested vaccine.. 

Another example of Moby failing to comprehend what can loosely be described as reading.

[andrewfi]

Lying Moby, why do you lie about EVERYTHING?

1) I 'promote' no vaccine. In what capacity could I possibly do that?
2) Assuming that you can still read, you'd have seen that Sputnik V entered its phase 3 trial on 13th August.
3) Given your words it is clear that I know more than at least yourself (unless you were being dishonest - again and understood correctly the words and links I posted). Given the words of others, it is clear that I know more than some others here as well.

Lying Moby, is this a problem with you losing the ability to read or just more lying - perhaps a bit of both? Please let us know.

[msmoby]

Lying Moby, why do you lie about EVERYTHING?

As usual, I haven't .. and your track record of fails makes such suggestions yet another of yours ..

1) I 'promote' no vaccine. In what capacity could I possibly do that?
2) Assuming that you can still read, you'd have seen that Sputnik V entered its phase 3 trial on 13th August.
3) Given your words it is clear that I know more than at least yourself (unless you were being dishonest - again and understood correctly the words and links I posted). Given the words of others, it is clear that I know more than some others here as well.

Lying Moby, is this a problem with you losing the ability to read or just more lying - perhaps a bit of both? Please let us know.

Very simple  :


1/ Could you please check the dates when I posted about stage 3 ?
2/ How long do such trials ( normally ) take and why ?


'Thank you'

[BillyB]

A little info about the Russian and Chinese vaccines that came out. It's basically injecting live harmless cold viruses that carry the target virus's gene to help our immune system recognize the target virus a little better should we later get it. This type of vaccine has been around for decades but not widely used. The downside is that the vaccine won't be very effective since many people already have immunity to the harmless cold virus which would get immediately attacked when injected into bodies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-see-downsides-top-covid-101052832.html

[Steveboy]

Isn't it weird that every where in the news there is stories about the vaccine and how it is coming along..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covering-race-covid-vaccine-speed-063007126.html.   Mind you it is durian shit..

But not a mention anywhere of the Russian vaccine  Nothing!!!    And it's even more funny that lots of stories are bending over backwards to cover China's progress .. that is f**** weird as **** here we have a country that infected half the bloody planet.. has the worst human rights on the planet YET its all kisses and smiles for them..

Russia has developed a vaccine that has been approved, its in their stage trails in Moscow.. and not a single bit of news any where in the Western media.. now that is *****.   ****** weird!!!!!

Im not saying the Russian vaccine works, is the best , is crap.. but no words, no celebrations, no claps nothing..I can see why why Putin is developing his arms fast.. good man! he needs it for all the assholes out there..

[Texan77]

Isn't it weird that every where in the news there is stories about the vaccine and how it is coming along..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covering-race-covid-vaccine-speed-063007126.html.   Mind you it is durian shit..

But not a mention anywhere of the Russian vaccine  Nothing!!!    And it's even more funny that lots of stories are bending over backwards to cover China's progress .. that is f**** weird as **** here we have a country that infected half the bloody planet.. has the worst human rights on the planet YET its all kisses and smiles for them..

Russia has developed a vaccine that has been approved, its in their stage trails in Moscow.. and not a single bit of news any where in the Western media.. now that is *****.   ****** weird!!!!!

Im not saying the Russian vaccine works, is the best , is crap.. but no words, no celebrations, no claps nothing..I can see why why Putin is developing his arms fast.. good man! he needs it for all the assholes out there..

That is not true. There is a lot of comments about Russian and Chinese vaccines that are being used. Everyone hope that being under  tested does not bit them. It is an improvement in the world for any country to not have this problem. In the end this virus will not be controlled until it is controlled everywhere.

[BillyB]

But not a mention anywhere of the Russian vaccine  Nothing!!! 

If the Russian vaccine turns out to be a winner, many nations will buy it but I don't see it happening. My last post had an article saying the first Russian vaccine has a high chance for safety but won't be very effective. It's based off an old way of making vaccines. Russia is developing other vaccines that may be more effective but process is as slow as Western vaccines since they are doing a better job using the trials to evaluate safety and effectiveness.

[Danchik]

The Russian vaccine is a very mild "concoction" of other known drugs for viruses with few if any side effects

Isn't it weird that every where in the news there is stories about the vaccine and how it is coming along..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covering-race-covid-vaccine-speed-063007126.html.   Mind you it is durian shit..

But not a mention anywhere of the Russian vaccine  Nothing!!!    And it's even more funny that lots of stories are bending over backwards to cover China's progress .. that is f**** weird as **** here we have a country that infected half the bloody planet.. has the worst human rights on the planet YET its all kisses and smiles for them..

Russia has developed a vaccine that has been approved, its in their stage trails in Moscow.. and not a single bit of news any where in the Western media.. now that is *****.   ****** weird!!!!!

Im not saying the Russian vaccine works, is the best , is crap.. but no words, no celebrations, no claps nothing..I can see why why Putin is developing his arms fast.. good man! he needs it for all the assholes out there..

That is not true. There is a lot of comments about Russian and Chinese vaccines that are being used. Everyone hope that being under  tested does not bit them. It is an improvement in the world for any country to not have this problem. In the end this virus will not be controlled until it is controlled everywhere.

There's a pretty good chance the virus will never be "controlled", unless you mean that we can add it to the list of things that has the potential to harm us to varying degrees. You know, like colds and flus and a hundred other things.

Best just to deal with it as been the case for everyone going on a year now.  You won't see me in any lines/queues waiting to get injected, that's for sure.