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Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« on: July 14, 2020, 05:42:09 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53398487

Huawei: UK prepares to change course on 5G kit supplier

Oh, I can't WAIT to hear the reasoning behind this latest policy reversal ...




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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2020, 07:02:57 AM »
So, it's true...we are 'America's puppet'..

BBC News - Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53403793

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2020, 12:20:57 PM »
I'm on the fence about it as we dont have enough facts.

So, it's true...we are 'America's puppet'..

Boris has rolled over and acquiesced to the demands of the US. He doesn't want to scupper the trade deal I expect.

Ostensibly to make a point about China's security law in Hong Kong. Which isn't our business as we gave HK back to China.

If it's just hardware that poses no spying risk, it's a pointless exercise to replace what is already fitted. And somebody will have to pay. End users probably.

Are alternative suppliers standing by at similar money?

George Galloway - not someone I frequently agree with - has wrote a piece on it that is actually right on the money IMO: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/494732-china-uk-huawei-5g/
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2020, 01:44:44 PM »
Oh, I can't WAIT to hear the reasoning behind this latest policy reversal …


I told you back in May but it failed to register with you. Boris created "Project Defend" which is a national security policy change. This decision of his had no input from America. It has everything to do with stopping support for hostile governments.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-pm-johnson-orders-for-plans-to-end-reliance-on-chinese-imports-the-times/ar-BB14qVRT?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2020, 03:44:54 PM »
Some how I couldn't imagine Vlad allowing another country to be messing about with the telecoms systems..

The bloody chinks have their fingers in just about the whole of the UK.. they don't even need to start a war.. it would be easy switch off the Nuclear power I bet they are laughing at the Uk just like the rest of the world..

Mini sold to the krauts ..

Land Rover sold to the Indians

BA sold to the Spanish

Airports sold off on the cheap.. actually the Uk have no f++++ airports you got to laugh..

Not much left really its a National disgrace..

I even laugh her in Russia when I see Russians driving around in the new Mini with a Union Jack roof all proud to have a British brand.. yeah right.. :laugh:

Same with Land Rover and Range Rover they think they have an Iconic British brand.. naaaaaa some indian firm owns it now who make tin can cars.. :laugh:

All a joke really

No futer in the Uk anymore for anyone.. feel sorry for the youngsters growing up in a dead end country.. with little prospect of a good future..

Its all been sold off cheap .. every thing.. not even sure if they own Colmans Mustard anymore.. sad very sad..
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2020, 03:59:05 PM »
I agree we have this problem also. You can not have a long term economy on people buying stuff. Sadly a lot of people over here do not understand this basic concept. We needed to start having these trade wars a long time ago. It is hard to reverse something that has been fifty years in the making.

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2020, 04:41:18 PM »
Once upon a time every thing was made in England.. well nearly..

The good old days when you could be proud to be British..


I think it has been all planned all along over the last 50 years all part of the plan to enslave the population.. ;D

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2020, 09:45:50 PM »

I told you back in May but it failed to register with you.

Unlike you, BillyB .. I DO know about comms kit and firmware and the tests done on Huawei kit.

This is Boris caving in to pressure from the USA - having to take a side at a time when the UK HAD an excuse to say, we are independant and free-thinking

FFS we are allowing a Chinese Nuc power station to be built on our soil..  This is FAR more to do with a trade war than 'security' ..




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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2020, 03:24:09 AM »

Of course the UK is following Papa USA orders to remove the telecoms.. They have been doing what Uncle Sam says for a long time. Uncle Sam says "Have a shit" the UK has a shit!!  :laugh:

The last big shit cost about 150,000 lives when Tony crooked Blair even lied for Uncle Sam ...

Yeah all frigging hypercritical cos China own just about every thing in the UK in any case.. they sold then bloody lot to them.. the end of the day every thing is run by China one switch and off goes the power :laugh:

Boris is as bad as the rest of them.. just like all the US Presidents all SELF SELF SELF...

The UK is just fooooooked and if your living in the UK now you already know this but just doi not want to admit it..
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2020, 09:59:44 AM »

Unlike you, BillyB .. I DO know about comms kit and firmware and the tests done on Huawei kit.

This is Boris caving in to pressure from the USA - having to take a side at a time when the UK HAD an excuse to say, we are independant and free-thinking

FFS we are allowing a Chinese Nuc power station to be built on our soil..  This is FAR more to do with a trade war than 'security' ..

The article I provided said Boris wants to stop buying products from hostile nations. He didn't say he wants to stop buying Huawei and is only targeting China. You're imagining things. People complain when their nation buys foreign products and lose jobs. Now when Boris wants to get away from that, they complain again. Go figure.
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2020, 10:07:20 AM »


Unlike you, BillyB .. I DO know about comms kit and firmware and the tests done on Huawei kit.

This is Boris caving in to pressure from the USA - having to take a side at a time when the UK HAD an excuse to say, we are independant and free-thinking

FFS we are allowing a Chinese Nuc power station to be built on our soil..  This is FAR more to do with a trade war than 'security' ..

The article I provided said Boris wants to stop buying products from hostile nations. He didn't say he wants to stop buying Huawei and is only targeting China. You're imagining things. People complain when their nation buys foreign products and lose jobs. Now when Boris wants to get away from that, they complain again. Go figure.

As ever, BillyB, you choose to 'respond' to a thread while ignoring the point .. You know f'all about Huawei 5G kit and any 'risk' ..  *I* know it's tested and where...


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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2020, 10:20:20 AM »
Some how I couldn't imagine Vlad allowing another country to be messing about with the telecoms systems..

The bloody chinks have their fingers in just about the whole of the UK.. they don't even need to start a war.. it would be easy switch off the Nuclear power I bet they are laughing at the Uk just like the rest of the world..

Mini sold to the krauts ..

Land Rover sold to the Indians

BA sold to the Spanish

Airports sold off on the cheap.. actually the Uk have no f++++ airports you got to laugh..

Not much left really its a National disgrace..

I even laugh her in Russia when I see Russians driving around in the new Mini with a Union Jack roof all proud to have a British brand.. yeah right.. :laugh:

Same with Land Rover and Range Rover they think they have an Iconic British brand.. naaaaaa some indian firm owns it now who make tin can cars.. :laugh:

All a joke really

No futer in the Uk anymore for anyone.. feel sorry for the youngsters growing up in a dead end country.. with little prospect of a good future..

Its all been sold off cheap .. every thing.. not even sure if they own Colmans Mustard anymore.. sad very sad..

Steve,
I find that we have a lot of topics in common.

A similar scenario is -
Would UK use communication hardware produced by Nazi Germany or USSR?!?

Very simple.

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2020, 10:37:27 AM »
A similar scenario is -
Would UK use communication hardware produced by Nazi Germany or USSR?!?


China's is more like a drug dealer keeping customer's hooked with cheap products. That may not be a reason to cut them off but they do lots more like stealing intellectual property.
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2020, 07:26:28 PM »


Unlike you, BillyB .. I DO know about comms kit and firmware and the tests done on Huawei kit.

This is Boris caving in to pressure from the USA - having to take a side at a time when the UK HAD an excuse to say, we are independant and free-thinking

FFS we are allowing a Chinese Nuc power station to be built on our soil..  This is FAR more to do with a trade war than 'security' ..

The article I provided said Boris wants to stop buying products from hostile nations. He didn't say he wants to stop buying Huawei and is only targeting China. You're imagining things. People complain when their nation buys foreign products and lose jobs. Now when Boris wants to get away from that, they complain again. Go figure.

As ever, BillyB, you choose to 'respond' to a thread while ignoring the point .. You know f'all about Huawei 5G kit and any 'risk' ..  *I* know it's tested and where...

It is amazing but also quite sad ms. Nowhere on this thread do we discuss any 'risk'. You are, as you have done repeatedly, trying to frame a discussion by stating that a poster said this when we are not discussing that issue on this thread.

Perhaps it would make the Moderators work easier if at least you remained on point. If on another thread a poster made a comment than reply on that thread regarding that matter. Perhaps reading the thread before posting is an idea.
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2020, 09:23:30 PM »
It is amazing but also quite sad ms. Nowhere on this thread do we discuss any 'risk'. You are, as you have done repeatedly, trying to frame a discussion by stating that a poster said this when we are not discussing that issue on this thread.

AvHdB,

As we are discussing possible reading  deficiencies, may I point out:

 *I* started this thread and I really do know about Huawei kit.. and this is why I started the thread .. Huawei have spent at lot of dosh to pay for their kit to be tested in a place called Banbury and followed UK suggestions to make their firmware more robust.. but no backdoors or ticking bombs have been found that would allow spying.

The UK govt know this, so why the flip-flop ?

WHY are you commenting on a thead when you

1/ know b'all about the subject

2/ are 'guilty' of doing the VERY thing you're moaning about ..?


Perhaps it would make the Moderators work easier if at least you remained on point. If on another thread a poster made a comment than reply on that thread regarding that matter. Perhaps reading the thread before posting is an idea

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2020, 04:33:32 AM »
*I* started this thread and I really do know about Huawei kit..

Again we're back to me, me , me.......I did this.....I did that.  (:)

You might have started the thread but we can only guess what you wanted to talk about. Just take a look at your topic heading;

"Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next?"

Written in the style of a 5 year old child with natural English learning disabilities. Mr Perfect not so much......


WHY are you commenting on a thead when you

1/ know b'all about the subject




Unlike you, BillyB .. I DO know about comms kit and firmware and the tests done on Huawei kit.

 .. You know f'all about Huawei 5G kit and any 'risk' ..  *I* know it's tested and where...

Reading the 2 quotes above, who wants to converse with that? What an entitled prat you are.




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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2020, 06:01:50 AM »
Well done, Rosco.

You quote my responses to posters out of context ..so I'm wondering ..  what is your point ..?

Do you disagree that Boris is saying one thing in May and then kow-towing to the US in July, or not ..... ?

If not.. kindly offer a REASON why you believe this complete reversal in policy is 'sound'

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2020, 11:24:34 AM »
offer a REASON why you believe this complete reversal in policy is 'sound'


Boris wants to stop buying products made in hostile nations. Nothing wrong with that policy. If it's going to hurt your business, just say so.
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2020, 11:56:19 AM »
Well done, Rosco.

You quote my responses to posters out of context ..so I'm wondering ..  what is your point ..?

Do you disagree that Boris is saying one thing in May and then kow-towing to the US in July, or not ..... ?

If not.. kindly offer a REASON why you believe this complete reversal in policy is 'sound'

Thank you

I believe you’re trying to lead me down a ready made path by asking me to provide reasons why a reversal of policy is sound.

It’s my belief that in life, anyone is allowed to change their mind or alter their policy as new information comes to light. In business, we may well shake hands on a deal and stay loyal to a supplier but as and when things change in the market place, we can then go in another direction.

You love F1 analogies so let’s use McLaren and Mercedes as a good example.

I understand that some people love to see weakness in government or politicians they don’t support but the reality is, things evolve and it would be irresponsible for any government to charge on because they made up their mind years ago.

Wasn’t it you advocating exactly this regarding Brexit?

In terms of expenditure and wasted resources. I’m not privy to the exact detail but the term cutting your losses now, springs to mind. I think this is a bigger deal for the anti Tory/Boris mob yet legitimately newsworthy.

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2020, 12:06:25 PM »
offer a REASON why you believe this complete reversal in policy is 'sound'


Boris wants to stop buying products made in hostile nations. Nothing wrong with that policy. If it's going to hurt your business, just say so.

All true. If China is a hostile nation and the government believe carrying on regardless would be an error, then they should be applauded for this decision. The problem is, the remoaners will complain regardless.

You also make a good point regarding Moby’s involvement in this. He’s particularly emotional about the decision which could mean he loses out in some minor way? Or maybe he’s just creating drama for his agenda, like the Dominic Cummings thing we’ve all forgotten about.

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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2020, 07:32:23 PM »
Perhaps it would make the Moderators work easier if at least you remained on point. If on another thread a poster made a comment than reply on that thread regarding that matter. Perhaps reading the thread before posting is an idea

You being the guy that has forgotten to apologise for telling us a Solzhenitsyn book I read in '74 'wasn't translated into English ( when it was 11 years before ) Perhaps that is your issue ?  :chuckle:

I have no intention to apologize to some one who is lying. Go ahead and quote what I wrote.

That you have fundamental challenges and issues in comprehension is NOT my problem.
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Re: Boris flip-flopping on Huawei, next ?
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2020, 09:10:43 PM »
Back on topic ..The UK govt.. WHY the complete change in policy ?

Has a 'back door' / a 'trojan' been found in Huawei kit we don't know of ?

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2020, 08:40:24 AM »
From what I've seen, the reasoning for the change in policy is not down to 'security' but because U.S. sanctions might make it impossible for Huawei to provide the services contracted for within the UK's telecoms system.

At face value that seems reasonable and is, of course, exactly what the USA hoped to attain when setting illegal sanctions against the company and its home country.

Of course, we do not know the truth behind the change in policy but the stated reason is, at face value, rational.
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2020, 06:50:27 PM »
Russia and China are at war with us. On their end the war is covert and using proxy troops where they deny everything. On our end we are open about it and everyone knows what we are doing. The US is planning the send two carrier groups to the south China sea soon. If China shoot at us you may not get anything from China for years to come. The war gets a little hotter each year without any way for an off ramp.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2020, 12:06:34 AM »
From what I've seen, the reasoning for the change in policy is not down to 'security' but because U.S. sanctions might make it impossible for Huawei to provide the services contracted for within the UK's telecoms system.

Let me get this straight .. andrewfi is saying because country B says you cannot buy from Country A, country C must 'comply' ?