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When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« on: April 22, 2020, 05:10:38 PM »
With the Chinese gift a couple posters have wondered about moving about, Internationally.

Some of us are holding tickets for flights in the summer.

Some news and travel sources say mid July others write new guidelines will be published in the next 14 days.

Will there be a seat between each passenger? Will it be every other row? Wonder about boarding and disembarking? Passport control?

There is some interesting observations from one poster of her expierences as she returned home in Russia as quarantines were beginning.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 05:18:33 PM »
only people in a hurry to open everything up, are folks in the US.
stay the hell home
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2020, 08:05:03 AM »
only people in a hurry to open everything up, are folks in the US.
stay the hell home

Not quite true! As soon as I can fly to where I want to be I will be on that plane!

Ryanair are reckoning that they will be operating relatively normal services from mid-May. I am a tad dubious about that but let us see.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2020, 08:59:59 AM »
I am curious to find out what fares will be compared to what they were before.  Super high because they will not be able to fully board planes?  Super high because of a high demand for travel?  Super low because the airlines are desperate to get people traveling again?  Who knows?  I'm curious to find out.

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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2020, 02:02:01 PM »
Fuel being cheap and Airlines wanting it to ramp quick, should lead to at least decent fares.

As for travel, planes, airports and cruise ships are likely the 3 most dangerous places
for contact for this virus, Enjoy your flight.

I will not be getting on a plane for quite some time,
if lucky, being 100% stuck for 2 weeks is not my idea of fun.
If really sick, 3-6 weeks and possible hospital time
sounds like less fun.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2020, 02:17:07 PM »
Airlines will look at who is traveling. Do they need low fares to sell tickets or will the population wiling to travel will pay what it cost. In business it is called what the traffic will bare. There is a very well developed computer program that figures out how the airline can make the most money and what the fares need to be to achieve that. I bet a lot of the earlier travelers will pay what it cost and the fares will be high. Then if they have to keep 1/3 of the seat empty they may not feel they can have low fares any more. I expect fares to be twice or more for earlier travelers as there will likely be little competition or reason to lower them. 

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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2020, 02:31:04 PM »
I think they will be begging for passengers for the first few months and tickets will be dead cheap..

But I'm sure 6/12. months down the line that will finish and they will be charging usual price +30% .. to recoup they losses..
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2020, 02:42:20 PM »
Airlines will look at who is traveling. Do they need low fares to sell tickets or will the population wiling to travel will pay what it cost. In business it is called what the traffic will bare. There is a very well developed computer program that figures out how the airline can make the most money and what the fares need to be to achieve that. I bet a lot of the earlier travelers will pay what it cost and the fares will be high. Then if they have to keep 1/3 of the seat empty they may not feel they can have low fares any more. I expect fares to be twice or more for earlier travelers as there will likely be little competition or reason to lower them. 

Perhaps what the 'market will bare' is more accurate. It can be amusing though to see what people will bare in traffic.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2020, 05:38:18 PM »
Airlines will look at who is traveling. Do they need low fares to sell tickets or will the population wiling to travel will pay what it cost. In business it is called what the traffic will bare. There is a very well developed computer program that figures out how the airline can make the most money and what the fares need to be to achieve that. I bet a lot of the earlier travelers will pay what it cost and the fares will be high. Then if they have to keep 1/3 of the seat empty they may not feel they can have low fares any more. I expect fares to be twice or more for earlier travelers as there will likely be little competition or reason to lower them. 

Perhaps what the 'market will bare' is more accurate. It can be amusing though to see what people will bare in traffic.

Ugh! The correct spelling is bear, as an example; how much weight can a bridge bear.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2020, 07:20:11 PM »
Today they are willing to sell me a ticket for the middle of June from Houston to Kiev for 950.00 dollars with air Canada. Usually I pay about 850 but I did not see any KLM flights now and that is who I usually fly with. It would be any body's guess if it will really fly or not.

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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2020, 07:43:23 PM »
It seems KLM is flying JFK > AMS #645 direct every other day.

I suspect a bigger problem will getting to KBP from a Schengen country. Though I have not looked very hard.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2020, 01:24:21 AM »
It seems KLM is flying JFK > AMS #645 direct every other day.

I suspect a bigger problem will getting to KBP from a Schengen country. Though I have not looked very hard.


Russia seems no problem, they fly 1ce every week from schiphol to Moscow, although Russia stopped issuing visa to people in Netherlands (until first of June.)

https://www.schiphol.nl/en/departures/?datetime=2020-04-30&search=Kyiv%20Boryspil%20(KBP)

Seems they do still fly to Kiev, just not every day anymore.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2020, 06:37:12 AM »

Ryanair said it will not fly unless the government pays for the middle seat or the are able to book it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/the-ceo-of-ryanair-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-airlines-says-it-wont-fly-if-middle-seats-have-to-stay-empty-for-idiotic-social-distancing-rules/ar-BB134QOC

Strange how all these cheap-ass airlines stopped flying all of the sudden

Aeroflot, KLM, Air-france, UIA, etc. are all still flying (but with less planes).

Not that it matters, I fly Aeroflot only since they offer straight NL->Crimea routes.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2020, 08:08:05 AM »
Not that it matters, I fly Aeroflot only since they offer straight NL->Crimea routes.

Straight?  :o I was not aware of AMS-SIP route existance...  (:)
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2020, 08:18:10 AM »
As to "when" - the co-owner of S7 group believes it will happen only in April 2021  :o
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/04/23/s7/

Will there be a seat between each passenger?
...this will lead to ticket prices growing for 50%.

Will it be every other row?
This will lead to ticket prices doubling.

Wonder about boarding and disembarking?
IMO, in case of boarding \ disembarking per bus it makes sense to limit the number of passengers per bus by 15-20.

Passport control?
PLUS an infection \ immunity status control. Most likely in a form of mandatory test done in the departure airport (for those who do not have an "imminuty passport" = confirmed anti-bodies). This will lead to a) duration of pre-flight formalities increasing from 2 hours to 3 hours at best; and b) ticket prices growing for 40-50 EUR per flight segment.

BTW, Domodedovo airport has already announced they are opening the testing lab on their premises.

There is some interesting observations from one poster of her expierences as she returned home in Russia as quarantines were beginning.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2020, 08:55:07 AM »
Markje, Ryanair, along with most other low cost airlines in Europe carries no cargo. The 'flag' scheduled carriers do. Thus the cargo carriers still have some business and keep flying on some routes.

Ryanair, Easyjet and similar have no business given the restrictions on movement for people. Ryanair was running repatriation flights but that's all done now.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2020, 09:07:19 AM »
Russia seems no problem, they fly 1ce every week from schiphol to Moscow, although Russia stopped issuing visa to people in Netherlands (until first of June.)

https://www.schiphol.nl/en/departures/?datetime=2020-04-30&search=Kyiv%20Boryspil%20(KBP)

Seems they do still fly to Kiev, just not every day anymore.

Markje, the fact that the tickets are sold online - or the fact that the flights, starting from April 30, are listed on airports' websites - do not guarantee that these flights will actually take place.

After the lockdown has started, Aeroflot had online sales to EU (CDG, FRA) starting from May 1. Air France was selling tickets to for CDG - SVO - CDG route starting from May 4.

Then Aeroflot took down all the international ticket sales up to August 1. Air France is now selling the SVO => CDG route, and LH - DME => FRA route starting from May 20. BUT the chances these flights will be indeed carried on are very low, IMO...
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2020, 12:39:06 PM »
Shouldn't the question be "When will hairdressers, nail parlors and so on be open" Cos other wise the planes are going to be full of homeless looking people many with grey hair showing, women with half colored hair and other things.. :ROFL:
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
Shouldn't the question be "When will hairdressers, nail parlors and so on be open"?
 
Cause otherwise the planes are going to be full of homeless looking people many with grey hair showing, women with half colored hair and other things...  :ROFL:

It is already being discussed, though the date is not confirmed yet.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2020, 02:03:42 PM »
Shouldn't the question be "When will hairdressers, nail parlors and so on be open" Cos other wise the planes are going to be full of homeless looking people many with grey hair showing, women with half colored hair and other things.. :ROFL:
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2020, 02:26:13 AM »
Not that it matters, I fly Aeroflot only since they offer straight NL->Crimea routes.

Straight?  :o I was not aware of AMS-SIP route existance...  (:)

But there is. You just need a detour through moscow passport control.

Others are mixed flights where you need to recheck your luggage in moscow meaning at least 3hr wait time is mandatory
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2020, 07:33:53 AM »
But there is. You just need a detour through moscow passport control.

Markje dear, this is not a "detour" - but connecting flights.

And 2 different flight segments (AMS=>SVO + SVO=>SIP) automatically means that the flight is not "straight".

If you buy both flight segments from the same airline and check your luggage till the final destination, it doesn't turn the multi-segment journey into a "straight" flight.
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2020, 08:27:35 AM »
Moby is not allowed to say the same thing as you ... I simply called it a 'stop-over'   tiphat
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Re: When will scheduled International air travel resume?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2020, 08:58:21 AM »
Moby is not allowed to say the same thing as you ... I simply called it a 'stop-over'   tiphat

Erm... no. At least not in Aeroflot vocabulary. Here a "stop over" is staying for more than 24 hours in the city where you change the flights.

Not to be mixed with layover - which usually means you'd like to stay in the city \ airport where you change the flights for 6-7 hours intentionally, even though there are earlier flights to your final destination available (with the airline you originally used).

Many flight airlines / tariffs do NOT allow a "stop over" per se - though many passengers would like to have it (especially in Moscow).

https://aviaforum.ru/threads/a-est-li-sposob-kupit-stopover-na-vnutrennix-rejsax.44147/

https://www.aeroflot.ru/xx-ru/business/for_agents/instructions/groups

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