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Wuhan lockdown ended?
« on: April 11, 2020, 04:46:20 PM »
This is an article about  Canadian girl that was in Wuhan during the lockdown and what life is like there now. She said you have to have a government pass and you are only able to go out one time per day and very limited where you can go. The government records everyone every movement to be sure they following the rules. Pass is on your smart phone which you have to down load. Every time you go someplace it is scanned. When you leave your apartment there are people who scan you left and every place you go someone scan that you are there. 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/a-21-year-old-canadian-woman-stayed-in-wuhan-because-she-didnt-want-to-abandon-her-cat-the-lockdown-just-lifted-but-shes-still-fenced-in/ar-BB12pada


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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 05:07:39 PM »
Your title isn’t entirely accurate, but from what I know, the content of the article is accurate.

The UK government and partners are working on a phone app that will allow selected people to not be in lockdown in the near future, similar to the Chinese one.

In China generally cases are decreasing and China has been opening slowly for several weeks. They are locking down localities as necessary now to contain it.
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2020, 06:04:19 AM »
Your title isn’t entirely accurate, but from what I know, the content of the article is accurate.

The UK government and partners are working on a phone app that will allow selected people to not be in lockdown in the near future, similar to the Chinese one.

In China generally cases are decreasing and China has been opening slowly for several weeks. They are locking down localities as necessary now to contain it.

The  apps available seem  a little less sinister than that ... and may not be apps at all ...They  may also show to whom you've been near enough to possibly get the virus and work out who are 'super infectors' 

It does not seem that the EU privacy watchdog has a problem with such software ..


In Moscow, folks may  be traceable with their mobiles, but for now digital passes will be available next week https://meduza.io/feature/2020/04/11/v-moskve-i-podmoskovie-vvodyat-propuska-dlya-poezdok-na-lichnom-i-obschestvennom-transporte-vot-kak-eto-budet-rabotat

IF this kicks off ... when will it stop ?




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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2020, 09:48:50 AM »
Yes, there was some mention at this afternoon's presser about an app.

As I recall, the idea is that, in a few days, we can download an app and if we feel we have symptoms of COVID-19 one presses a button to notify. At that point, the app will register all recent contacts based upon geolocation and notify them. The data will be passed to the NHS for monitoring and followup.

The source code for the app is to be made public and the government has made a commitment that the information will be used only for the purposes of tracking COVID-19 and data will not be retained past its usefulness for that purpose.

This is not a passport system but one can easily envisage an addition to the app that would give that functionality. Also, from the information given, it does not seem that it will give one a live image of COVID-19 sufferers in one's vicinity - that might have all sorts of issues all by itself.

This seems to be a very useful addition to the armory of tools to help with tracking and tracing ongoing. This might enable a paradigm shift in terms of track and trace and as community testing becomes available will be a big help in targeting testing to where it is most likely to be of use.
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2020, 01:19:31 PM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2020, 04:37:20 PM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm

This is 1984 ushered in with a very plausible pretext that we will all agree with. Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

They’ll tell us it won’t be used for this or that, but 12 months later of course, it will.

Boris is out of hospital today. Twitter is laughing about Boris Johnson being resurrected on Easter Sunday. I was never entirely convinced that him being admitted to hospital wasn’t a PR stunt.

This app thing is very convenient for the powers that be.
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 05:08:06 PM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm

This is 1984 ushered in with a very plausible pretext that we will all agree with. Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

They’ll tell us it won’t be used for this or that, but 12 months later of course, it will.

Boris is out of hospital today. Twitter is laughing about Boris Johnson being resurrected on Easter Sunday. I was never entirely convinced that him being admitted to hospital wasn’t a PR stunt.

This app thing is very convenient for the powers that be.

Ya, I don't do everything on phone or pay with everything via cards or apps.
but cars, phones and pretty much everything we do is tracked.
Short of going completely off the grid, not sure anyway to stop it.

Oh and finger prints to fly is been going into works here also.
sooooo were f#@ked
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2020, 05:33:02 PM »
Yes, there was some mention at this afternoon's presser about an app.

As I recall, the idea is that, in a few days, we can download an app and if we feel we have symptoms of COVID-19 one presses a button to notify. At that point, the app will register all recent contacts based upon geolocation and notify them. The data will be passed to the NHS for monitoring and followup.

The source code for the app is to be made public and the government has made a commitment that the information will be used only for the purposes of tracking COVID-19 and data will not be retained past its usefulness for that purpose.

This is not a passport system but one can easily envisage an addition to the app that would give that functionality. Also, from the information given, it does not seem that it will give one a live image of COVID-19 sufferers in one's vicinity - that might have all sorts of issues all by itself.

This seems to be a very useful addition to the armory of tools to help with tracking and tracing ongoing. This might enable a paradigm shift in terms of track and trace and as community testing becomes available will be a big help in targeting testing to where it is most likely to be of use.

There go some more civil liberties. Yes there might be some advantages, but who controls the data? Considering the 'track' record of concerns such as Google and say the NSA you might pause with misgivings.

I doubt the Chinese with there record of human rights is something that I will be optimistic about in this regard.

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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2020, 08:13:11 PM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm

They'll track you now and then years later announce they have a vaccine. People will be rushing to get a vaccine shot but they will instead get a drug that controls the mind. They'll trade most of the human population to aliens that see us as a food source. What to the government get in return from the aliens? A lifetime supply of toilet paper.
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2020, 03:56:11 AM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm

They'll track you now and then years later announce they have a vaccine. People will be rushing to get a vaccine shot but they will instead get a drug that controls the mind. They'll trade most of the human population to aliens that see us as a food source. What to the government get in return from the aliens? A lifetime supply of toilet paper.

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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2020, 05:45:50 AM »
So governments around the world wish to track people.
Now it is happening, whats odds that ever changes, even after this is over?
hmmmmm

They'll track you now and then years later announce they have a vaccine. People will be rushing to get a vaccine shot but they will instead get a drug that controls the mind. They'll trade most of the human population to aliens that see us as a food source. What to the government get in return from the aliens? A lifetime supply of toilet paper.

Smoked a bit too much weed today Billy?

Sounds like BillyB has surrendered to the Confederates.

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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2020, 07:19:09 AM »
AvHdB, yes, it is another infringement upon our civil liberties. It is a conundrum because I can see clear benefits to a well-applied system of this type in the current situation. However, from a practical perspective, there is not much of a loss from what already exists. Your phone already stores and transmits your location data on a very granular level to the provider of the operating system on your smartphone. As I understand it the UK system uses that data to provide the services I outlined.

So, if you want to tilt at windmills over a battle already lost you can just refrain from using an Android or iOS device - ever! That's your call, your choice.
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2020, 03:07:35 PM »
I need a vintage bag phone  :laugh:
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2020, 03:46:57 PM »
NS1, similar systems are being considered over in the colonies.
If being certified as either uninfected or carrying levels of antibodies considered sufficient to provide immunity would you refuse to join the system if that refusal meant that you could not leave your home, work or travel?

That's the issue. Such a system will enable people to be economically and socially active during times when others could not. Given the expectation that there will be recurring waves of infection over the coming months and possibly years, is that a choice you could easily make?

What about your family? How would they take such a choice?
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Re: Wuhan lockdown ended?
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2020, 04:15:57 AM »
NS1, similar systems are being considered over in the colonies.
If being certified as either uninfected or carrying levels of antibodies considered sufficient to provide immunity would you refuse to join the system if that refusal meant that you could not leave your home, work or travel?

That's the issue. Such a system will enable people to be economically and socially active during times when others could not. Given the expectation that there will be recurring waves of infection over the coming months and possibly years, is that a choice you could easily make?

What about your family? How would they take such a choice?

I guess we will see what they decide.
Currently we don't have a full lock down.
So movement is not fully restricted.

I also own a business that is not shut down at this point
so I am allowed to work.

Only time will tell what happens, I suspect if they come up
with some sort of tracking systems for people we won't have much choice
be interesting to watch as many would push back here.
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