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Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« on: April 10, 2020, 05:39:07 AM »
I would suggest so.

Our resident contrarian claims not:

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WHO are apolitical

Popular opinion on Quora suggests they are as bent as a nine bob note and controlled by China: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-World-Health-Organization-a-credible-body

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2020, 06:05:42 AM »
Your 'resident contrarian' doesn't agree with all WHO's recommendations .. ( wearing of Masks ) so there's a bad start for you !


I think you are confusing 'Trampu's' rant against WHO - ask yourself - 'Why' ? 


What specifically, makes you think they're not apolitical... ? 

Quora is NOT a place to find sane answers to questions ... any wacko can offer up a 'conspiracy theory' ..

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2020, 07:58:48 AM »
I would suggest so.

Our resident contrarian claims not:

Quote from: MobyVirus
WHO are apolitical

Popular opinion on Quora suggests they are as bent as a nine bob note and controlled by China: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-World-Health-Organization-a-credible-body

What say you?

It's hard to imagine any organisation that is not influenced by politics. That's humans for you.

Is the WHO overly influenced by China? I think that depends upon where you set the line over how influence works and what is appropriate. That's not my place to do, however, we can clearly see that the USA is seeking to increase its influence. Again, not really within my purview to understand whether the USA is right or wrong in this regard.

It seems to me that claims being made against the WHO in respect of their handling of Covid-19 do not meet the bar of being justified by known facts.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2020, 08:47:06 AM »
They are all bent every bloody world organization bent as hell and do not give a fig for anyone other than themselves generally..

They are all for sale also.. bribes money, greed, murder, espionage, buggery yep that's what humans are best at!
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2020, 09:20:19 AM »
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2020, 09:24:00 AM »
Make of this what you will but I see this as a WHO announcement. Either covering up for China or hoping to avoid freedom of movement, open border limitations. Both politically motivated.

The resident psycho pensioner thinks WHO were just sharing other people’s info for something to do. Because WHO are known for sharing good memes and general updates.

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2020, 10:06:32 AM »
Only one problem. It took some time to find that human to human transmission was what was going on. Its fine to be wise after the fact, but at any given time we only know what we know.

The same story is going around about the use of the word 'pandemic'. Blame is being attached to the WHO, the problem is that there's a clear definition of what a pandemic is but the criteria for the application is very subjective.

Of course, in reality, in most respects the use of the term by the WHO should not have had an effect upon how various governments chose to act.

Both of these claims seem to be much more about deflection by some governments and politicians seeking to minimise their inaction and suboptimal choices than it is about facts.

One is reminded of recent attacks on the British authorities about the change in status of Covid-19 from HCID. It has been claimed that this was an attempt to downplay the seriousness of the virus. If one reads the definition of the status it becomes clear that the change in status reflected what had become known about the virus and was a rational choice, based upon clear evidence and facts that are not in dispute.

We need to be aware of mudslinging at times like this because there's usually a reason for it that is not directly related to the claims being made.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2020, 10:29:53 AM »
Are World Health Organisation heads bribed by ChiNazi?!?

Yes, they are. Full Stop.


And they give it a cool name "China Model", 1-Belt-1-Road, etc.

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2020, 10:32:19 AM »
Only one problem. It took some time to find that human to human transmission was what was going on. Its fine to be wise after the fact, but at any given time we only know what we know.

The same story is going around about the use of the word 'pandemic'. Blame is being attached to the WHO, the problem is that there's a clear definition of what a pandemic is but the criteria for the application is very subjective.

Of course, in reality, in most respects the use of the term by the WHO should not have had an effect upon how various governments chose to act.

Both of these claims seem to be much more about deflection by some governments and politicians seeking to minimise their inaction and suboptimal choices than it is about facts.

One is reminded of recent attacks on the British authorities about the change in status of Covid-19 from HCID. It has been claimed that this was an attempt to downplay the seriousness of the virus. If one reads the definition of the status it becomes clear that the change in status reflected what had become known about the virus and was a rational choice, based upon clear evidence and facts that are not in dispute.

We need to be aware of mudslinging at times like this because there's usually a reason for it that is not directly related to the claims being made.

How do you make conclusion from a "Source with the Worst Trust"?

Does it imply something in your Brain, or your bank account?

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2020, 10:53:16 AM »
Loyal man, are you trying to communicate?
If so, think what you want to say, write it down and make sure that you used the right words to express your ideas.

For example, what do the words 'source with the Worst Trust' mean? As you capitalised the last two words, that's probably a name, but I have never heard the name before.

Thanks for your assistance.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2020, 10:54:42 AM »
Make of this what you will but I see this as a WHO announcement. Either covering up for China or hoping to avoid freedom of movement, open border limitations. Both politically motivated.

The resident psycho pensioner thinks WHO were just sharing other people’s info for something to do. Because WHO are known for sharing good memes and general updates.

I have already pointed out that it was Chinese govt told WHO what their 'preliminary tests' showed .. yet you feel the need to suggest that it was WHO's announcement

When WHO told he world that the UK had the 'best  tests the world' for Coronavirus Sar" Covid-19 - 'coz the UK's Minister for Health said so on Jan 23 2020 ...should we say that WHO are in the pocket of the UK govt, too ?

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2020, 11:07:41 AM »
Loyal man, are you trying to communicate?
If so, think what you want to say, write it down and make sure that you used the right words to express your ideas.

For example, what do the words 'source with the Worst Trust' mean? As you capitalised the last two words, that's probably a name, but I have never heard the name before.

Thanks for your assistance.

Just admit your interpretive skills in English are limited.  Be polite and ask him to explain.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2020, 11:15:09 AM »
It took some time to find that human to human transmission was what was going on.


No it didn't, Are you making stuff up again? China announced to the world Jan 20 that human to human transfer is possible a couple of days before locking down 60 million people around Wuhan. Prior to their announcement they refused experts from CDC and WHO from coming to China to evaluate the situation and virus themselves because they knew they'd get caught lying.

They knew a long time ago it could be transferred by humans but they wanted WHO to continue to advise against travel restrictions to China. China wanted tourism and business to continue as usual and wanted the world to believe the only way to get the virus was to eat meat from a Wuhan wet market. They were silencing doctors that said otherwise. Funny thing is there isn't a single piece of meat or animal source in the world ever discovered to be contaminated with the virus. But the meat market just happened to be 280 meters from a facility that houses the world's most dangerous pathogens. What is the odds  the worst virus of the century is found next door to the only facility in China qualified to handle it?

You, your family and friends, and your nation will pay with lives and loss economy but you will be in massive denial China was deceptive and negligent. Get your head examined.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2020, 11:18:47 AM »
So, going by BillyB's 'logic' telling the UK people that the risk was increasing to low, from v.low in late January ) was a deliberate lie, too ?  :dh:




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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2020, 12:56:48 PM »
You're making a heap of statements of fact that you have no way to support.

You work from a premise that is unproven and, at least at this time, and absolutely back then, unsupported by fact.

It's OK to have an opinion, but an opinion unsupported by facts is pretty valueless.

Please note, I am. Not saying, and have not said, that the Chinese knew otherwise, because, like you I know nothing better.

The WHO did not know either. So, at that time the best information was that it was not transmitted by human contact.

What even you know and agree with is that as soon as it became clear that human transmission was possible, the Chinese took steps to close down human transmission.

So, applying the little grey cells, to the extent that you are able, you can infer that had the Chinese known that human transmission was a significant but not sole, vector of transmission, they'd have taken the ateoa they did sooner.

Fitting malign intent to facts unknown at the time makes no sense.

Try a thought experiment.
If the Chinese knew that human transmission was taking place previously, why, given the huge impact on the country of closing down human transmission, do you think they postponed that effort?

Even you can understand, I am almost sure, that had they taken action earlier the problems they faced would have been much reduced. Any epidemiologist would have known this, any clinician would have known this, any politician would have known this - because they'd have been informed of it by the advising experts.

So, the experiment is this: given that the Chinese, in your scenario would have known the effect of not closing down Wuhan, why did they not take action sooner? It is, to a rational mind inconceivable that they'd have done it to enable a few people to fly around the world for a few days because the benefit of that is absolutely tiny in comparison to the cost of doing so.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2020, 01:53:57 PM »
Are World Health Organisation heads bribed by ChiNazi?!?

Yes, they are. Full Stop.

And they give it a cool name "China Model", 1-Belt-1-Road, etc.

Where are your factual evidence?

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2020, 01:58:21 PM »

Try a thought experiment.
If the Chinese knew that human transmission was taking place previously, why, given the huge impact on the country of closing down human transmission, do you think they postponed that effort?

Any epidemiologist would have known this, any clinician would have known this, any politician would have known this - because they'd have been informed of it by the advising experts.

So, the experiment is this: given that the Chinese, in your scenario would have known the effect of not closing down Wuhan, why did they not take action sooner? It is, to a rational mind inconceivable that they'd have done it to enable a few people to fly around the world for a few days because the benefit of that is absolutely tiny in comparison to the cost of doing so.

Yes thinking and looking at realities might be good endeavor.

It is known that the Chinese authorities in November and December were aware there was a problem. They tried to suppress this information reprimanding a doctor in Wuhan and others who attempted to alert the population.

It is known that the Chinese authorities refused to allow International Health officials to ascertain the facts in and around Wuhan.

We will assume that there was more than one health or medical person in late 2019 that said "Houston, Beijing I think we have a problem." Most likely cooking bats was no longer the cause of the problem. Even a thinking teenager with a rudimentary knowledge of hygiene and how viruses (colds & flu) spread would know what to do.

China actively promoted the lie that another party created and spread the virus, pointing a finger in the direction of Washington and Moscow. I can only say keep on trying, it seems no one is buying that Chinese crap.

So it is a reasonable assumption that the Chinese, by there own actions excaberated and contributed directly to greater spread of there 'gift'. In defense of China they far earlier made available the gene sequence than with the SARS virus.

If one wants to be both be an apologist for both Moscow and Beijing feel free to wear those hats.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2020, 03:11:49 PM »

Andrew, you can be stupid but don't expect the rest of us to follow stupid.

China decoded the genome of the virus Jan 12. Apparently they studied the virus so they knew if it could or couldn't be transferred human to human. With pathogens, this is one of the very first things government and medical experts need to figure out. So when doctors ask a patient "Where you been?", some patients may say I was in the Wuhan wet market while others say they been to places nowhere near that market and certainly didn't eat the meat there, then it's easy to conclude human to human transfer is happening back in December when the Chinese government was trying to silence people.

When China notified WHO and the World they have a new virus, they told everybody it's not human to human transferable as if they already evaluated the virus's behavior. If China didn't know it could be transferred human to human as you claim, they should've stated they are confused about the virus's behavior instead of making claim expressing confidence about the virus's behavior. But continue to make yourself look bad. It's your reputation and you have a right to ruin it.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 10:21:29 PM »

Trump is thinking about withholding $500 million from WHO because of their poor performance.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-suggests-he-may-hold-dollar500-million-meant-for-who/ar-BB12s1T4?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 04:06:29 AM »
Only one problem. It took some time to find that human to human transmission was what was going on. Its fine to be wise after the fact, but at any given time we only know what we know.

I fully agree with this and actually discussed it in another thread with Virus.

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2020, 04:15:08 AM »
Make of this what you will but I see this as a WHO announcement. Either covering up for China or hoping to avoid freedom of movement, open border limitations. Both politically motivated.

The resident psycho pensioner thinks WHO were just sharing other people’s info for something to do. Because WHO are known for sharing good memes and general updates.

I have already pointed out that it was Chinese govt told WHO what their 'preliminary tests' showed .. yet you feel the need to suggest that it was WHO's announcement

When WHO told he world that the UK had the 'best  tests the world' for Coronavirus Sar" Covid-19 - 'coz the UK's Minister for Health said so on Jan 23 2020 ...should we say that WHO are in the pocket of the UK govt, too ?

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I've posted the WHO tweet above from their official account. In my opinion when WHO post a statement from their official twitter account, they endorse the finding and therefore agree with it. So yes it was a WHO announcement. Please don't feel the need to respond with nonsense.

Can you please post the UK government Who announcement so we know we are actually debating facts first? If they did make an announcement like the China one above, then I suspect they agreed that the Uk Government at that time had the best tests. This will of course make you look even more stupid in the other thread.

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2020, 04:55:32 AM »
Of course WHO is governed by cronies. I'd throw the CDC in there as well to a lesser extend.
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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2020, 05:45:59 AM »
Only one problem. It took some time to find that human to human transmission was what was going on. Its fine to be wise after the fact, but at any given time we only know what we know.

I fully agree with this and actually discussed it in another thread with Virus.

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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2020, 05:46:27 AM »


I've posted the WHO tweet above from their official account. In my opinion when WHO post a statement from their official twitter account, they endorse the finding and therefore agree with it. So yes it was a WHO announcement. Please don't feel the need to respond with nonsense.

The nonsense was you reading English and proving you couldn't process it ..  WHO posts the statements of members  - it assumes them to be factual ... nothing more ... Do you understand the definition of apolitical ?


Can you please post the UK government Who announcement so we know we are actually debating facts first? If they did make an announcement like the China one above, then I suspect they agreed that the Uk Government at that time had the best tests. This will of course make you look even more stupid in the other thread.

You bit and I knew you would...you even needed to get an 'excuse' ready'

1/ The UK govt's stance  AGAIN ...
2/ YES, WHO carried that 'news' ... I WILL find the link and but perhaps you'll never see it - as you'll need further protecting from yourself ...  :laugh:




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Re: Is the World Health Organisation Influenced by Politics?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2020, 05:56:14 AM »
Wiz,

They have already drastically reduced the earlier predicted number of deaths in the US from 250K to around 60K by August. Or about the same number as the flu.
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