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Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« on: March 25, 2020, 05:40:15 PM »
This hasn’t been properly covered in our media of course, or when it was, it was covered with much suspicion:

https://twitter.com/russianembassy/status/1242782639855190017?s=21

But as of today Russia has sent 15 Ilyushin planes full of medical supplies to assist Italy in the fight against the coronavirus. The Italian PM asked Russia for help and they gave it. The Russian military are even distributing it across Italy.

Twitter is full of bemused people wondering why Russian military vehicles are on the road in Italy. Delivering aid is why.

So much for the EU.
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 05:42:43 PM »
Yes because the dutch are helping ...... iran  :-\
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 05:50:06 PM »
Yes because the dutch are helping ...... iran  :-\

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 06:29:23 PM »

USA offered to help Iran and North Korea. Seems like some nations want to turn enemies into friends. It's worth a try.
"Billy, go read. You don't need to be an 'expert' to read. Billy, again read stuff. Even if this disease ends up being serious, in a few months it will be gone. That's how these things work." quote by forum epidemic and virology expert Andrewfi Jan 28, 2020 on the coronavirus

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 08:19:11 PM »
This hasn’t been properly covered in our media of course, or when it was, it was covered with much suspicion:

Manny, where is the 'anti' in this article ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-russia-medical-aid-help-putin-a9416546.html



I'm sure Mr Conte will remember the gesture ..he's not at all alt-right ..


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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 12:20:51 AM »

USA offered to help Iran and North Korea. Seems like some nations want to turn enemies into friends. It's worth a try.

US help won’t be without strings attached. Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2020, 12:24:13 AM »


US help won’t be without strings attached. Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.

I'm sure your mates in the Kremlin / Embassy have assured you there's no string attached for Mr Conte .. ;)

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2020, 12:34:44 AM »


US help won’t be without strings attached. Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.

I'm sure your mates in the Kremlin / Embassy have assured you there's no string attached for Mr Conte .. ;)

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2020, 12:36:37 AM »
Yes because the dutch are helping ...... iran  :-\

They are?
Yep, it was in the newspaper. The newspaper was quoted then on facebook with many users agreeing, why iran why not Italy/Spain they are much closer to home AND have better leadership/common values than Iran
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2020, 01:06:04 AM »
Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.


Pride gets people killed. Who told you N Korea cases are few? They don't report infections and deaths.

US help won’t be without strings attached.


Putin calculates every move. He needs votes to lift Western sanctions. The help he provides Italy and other Western nations may pay off much more than the investment. Putin will send medical experts, equipment, and PPE. They will face a shortage when Russia has their outbreak and more people will die as a result but it's a trade off to improve the economy.
"Billy, go read. You don't need to be an 'expert' to read. Billy, again read stuff. Even if this disease ends up being serious, in a few months it will be gone. That's how these things work." quote by forum epidemic and virology expert Andrewfi Jan 28, 2020 on the coronavirus

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2020, 01:22:02 AM »

Putin calculates every move. He needs votes to lift Western sanctions. The help he provides Italy and other Western nations may pay off much more than the investment. Putin will send medical experts, equipment, and PPE. They will face a shortage when Russia has their outbreak and more people will die as a result but it's a trade off to improve the economy.
It doesn't really matter why he does it. The european populace sees: Putin/Russia help, the EU do nothing.
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2020, 01:31:54 AM »

It doesn't really matter why he does it. The european populace sees: Putin/Russia help, the EU do nothing.

No ... that's what you choose to see ...
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2020, 03:06:28 AM »

Putin calculates every move. He needs votes to lift Western sanctions. The help he provides Italy and other Western nations may pay off much more than the investment. Putin will send medical experts, equipment, and PPE. They will face a shortage when Russia has their outbreak and more people will die as a result but it's a trade off to improve the economy.
It doesn't really matter why he does it. The european populace sees: Putin/Russia help, the EU do nothing.

May I add also that the Trolling of BillyB has gone over the top on this board.

I find it bloody boring to visit this board and on a daily basis to see the huge amount of trolling posts from the person who betrayed his birth country and now is posting non stop propaganda for his Master.........

Putin offered help to Italy and I read on Yandex that Poland, the USA puppet, has not permitted these planes to overfly and had to divert via the Black Sea......

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They will face a shortage when Russia has their outbreak and more people will die as a result but it's a trade off to improve the economy.

It is bloody irritating lies and blatant ignorant propaganda. These bloody USA gangsters have the audacity to criticize what China and Russia are doing instead of taking a look at their actions that kill people...around the world.

USA put Sanctions to N.Korea and also to Iran.......and still claiming innocent for the poor people that they are suffering etc..Let's not forget the South America Countries and many others they have Invaded like Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Moby posted a picture on the other thread....which answered one of my suspicions..... Putin is holding Trump by the balls and that is why he does not threaten Russia direct and he also has FCuked royally in Syrria.



The Fact of the Matter it is clear,  only China, Cuba and Russia are helping Italy and the EU has failed miserably to offer any help to member states. Bloody Germans have not agreed, yet, how to help EU members.......and Merkel Said any Help they are offering, to the member states, is going to be Loans and nothing else.

The EU soon will brake up and Manny now you must know why I voted Brexit, despite our differences in politics. Churchill has said..... every 50 years Germany should be bombed..... and he was right!

Now the End of the Ugly Empire .......is not far away!

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2020, 03:13:39 AM »

Putin calculates every move. He needs votes to lift Western sanctions. The help he provides Italy and other Western nations may pay off much more than the investment. Putin will send medical experts, equipment, and PPE. They will face a shortage when Russia has their outbreak and more people will die as a result but it's a trade off to improve the economy.
It doesn't really matter why he does it. The european populace sees: Putin/Russia help, the EU do nothing.

Well said Mark..... :thumbsup:

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2020, 03:18:23 AM »
Ahem,

For those who thought the EC had been doing 'nothing '

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/health/coronavirus-response/crisis-management_en

"Assistance to China: At the outset of the COVID-19 outbreak, the Commission also coordinated and co-financed the delivery of emergency medical supplies to China through the EU Civil Protection Mechanism. Over 56 tonnes of personal protective equipment (protective clothing, disinfectant and medical masks) have been delivered to China, provided by France, Germany, Italy, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovenia."

"Repatriation Flights

The Commission is helping Member States to co-ordinate assistance and consular repatriation operations to EU citizens worldwide. Once a Member States activates the EU Civil Protection Mechanism, the Commission’s Emergency Response Coordination Centre (ERCC) coordinates all actions with the European External Action Service and with Member States in EU capitals. It can also co-finance transportation costs up to 75%. Non-EU citizens can also benefit from this assistance. To date and since the beginning of the COVID outbreak, the EU Civil Protection Mechanism has so far facilitated the return of over 1,890 EU citizens to Europe from Wuhan, Japan, Oakland, Morocco, Tunisia, Georgia, Philippines and Cabo Verde."

It seems the usual suspects on here complain about anti ( insert non EU nation name here) 'propaganda' and in the next breath suggest the EU is 'useless' !


A little reasoned perspective seems to be called for



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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2020, 03:47:55 AM »
This hasn’t been properly covered in our media of course, or when it was, it was covered with much suspicion:

Manny, where is the 'anti' in this article ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-russia-medical-aid-help-putin-a9416546.html



I'm sure Mr Conte will remember the gesture ..he's not at all alt-right ..

I'll try to find and link the article I read yesterday but it was just as Manny noted.

The article claimed that Putin was trying to drive a wedge between western nations and disrupt the EU. His kind actions were only by design and used for the benefit of Putin alone.....

Yawn - some folks just lap that shit up.  :'(

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2020, 03:48:46 AM »


US help won’t be without strings attached. Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.

I'm sure your mates in the Kremlin / Embassy have assured you there's no string attached for Mr Conte .. ;)

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2020, 06:29:42 AM »


US help won’t be without strings attached. Why would they want help from an aggressor in any case? North Korea doesn’t need help as cases are few.

I'm sure your mates in the Kremlin / Embassy have assured you there's no string attached for Mr Conte .. ;)

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2020, 07:00:49 AM »
The way some folks were kitted up yesterday, Manny should be selling full hazsuits ..

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SC's just had a message to say all bars, restaurants, cafes, saunas, fitness centres and swimming pools must close .... Sochi's Spa season is screwed

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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2020, 07:19:56 AM »
Putin/Russia help, the EU do nothing.


I'm not a fan of the EU but if the fire department is on fire, it's going to put out their fires before Italy's. Russia did a good job stopping the virus coming into their nation but it still came in smaller number than EU nations and it is spreading so their outbreak will come after Europe's. By giving masks, disinfectant trucks, respirators and medical experts to Italy, hope it doesn't come back to haunt them.

Russia is sending lot of military ships all around the UK. Maybe Putin wants to bother Europe or just the UK. When you have to divert resources to watch Russian hardware, you have less resources to combat the virus. Why is any nation testing others at a time like this?

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-shadows-russian-warships-after-high-levels-of-activity-in-channel-and-north-sea-11963865
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2020, 11:39:45 AM »
Russia is sending lot of military ships all around the UK. Maybe Putin wants to bother Europe or just the UK. When you have to divert resources to watch Russian hardware, you have less resources to combat the virus. Why is any nation testing others at a time like this?

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-shadows-russian-warships-after-high-levels-of-activity-in-channel-and-north-sea-11963865

International shipping lanes. Nothing to talk about till they are in territorial waters uninvited.

Who told you N Korea cases are few? They don't report infections and deaths.

You may recall I am trying to do a little business there. That isn't something that can be done overnight. It means I have contacts there and have conversations with those contacts quite often. Some day to day stuff is discussed. I doubt they are sharing anything classified, but it means I get a sniff of the odd thing. They have no reason to misrepresent as I'm not a reporter.
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2020, 11:58:00 AM »
From Reuters

Most Russian aid to Italy "absolutely useless" in fighting coronavirus

18:40, 26 March 2020 WORLD 389 0 The publication raises concerns over the fact that all experts deployed are military, while the entire operation is being coordinated by Russia's defense ministry. REUTERS Concerns have arisen in Italian political circles and media about the so-called "humanitarian assistance" that Russia is providing to the country to combat the coronavirus. That's according to Europeiska Pravda citing Italy's La Stampa. According to senior sources of the publication, Russia is far from being guided by solely humanitarian motives, but rather pursues its own political and diplomatic interests. Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, the newspaper writes, agreed to accept Russian assistance to "strengthen wonderful personal relations" with Moscow. However, as the sources of the publication note, 80% of Russian deliveries are "absolutely useless or of little use" for Italy to fight COVID-19, being nothing more than an excuse. Read also Russia, China exploiting coronavirus in geopolitical game Russia deployed equipment for disinfection of territories and other similar special equipment, while China, for example, delivered medical face masks and mechanical ventilation devices. The publication raises concerns over the fact that all experts deployed are military, while the entire operation is being coordinated by Russia's defense ministry, not the ministry of health. All military are high-ranking: generals, colonels, and majors, and "move freely around Italy, a few steps from NATO bases." "In coronavirus, Putin saw an opportunity to gain a foothold in the Italian political arena, and the Italian prime minister didn't hesitate to support him amid this difficult crisis, accepting all this to consolidate wonderful personal relations with the political side of Moscow," the newspaper writes
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2020, 01:26:30 PM »
International shipping lanes. Nothing to talk about till they are in territorial waters uninvited.


Russia knows exactly what they are doing sending their fleets up close to the UK. They know UK needs to respond to their actions wasting your(UK's) time and taxpayer money which could be better spent on fighting the virus. They should save their money as well as it's predicted by Russian experts their outbreak peak is coming. Hope Putin didn't send too much valuable gear to Italy as Russian citizens will be needing them soon

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-kremlin-sends-mixed-messages-on-coronavirus-as-russian-cases-spiral/ar-BB11KtX2?ocid=spartanntp

I have contacts there and have conversations with those contacts quite often. Some day to day stuff is discussed. I doubt they are sharing anything classified, but it means I get a sniff of the odd thing. They have no reason to misrepresent as I'm not a reporter.


I value their opinion but they aren't able to see the whole country and only have State run media to inform them what is going on in the country. If they have a few infections, it's a matter of time before they have an outbreak. Maybe they already had one and are at the bottom of the curve but another outbreak is bound to happen. It's going to be a yo yo affect for every country from here on out.

According to senior sources of the publication, Russia is far from being guided by solely humanitarian motives, but rather pursues its own political and diplomatic interests.


Right after Russia sent assistance to Italy,  at the G20 meeting today Putin asks for sanctions relief claiming it's a matter of life and death as the reason.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-calls-sanctions-moratorium-g20-summit-163523072.html





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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2020, 02:02:16 PM »
I value their opinion but they aren't able to see the whole country and only have State run media to inform them what is going on in the country. If they have a few infections, it's a matter of time before they have an outbreak. Maybe they already had one and are at the bottom of the curve but another outbreak is bound to happen. It's going to be a yo yo affect for every country from here on out.

People from the *state* rely on state run media. Right.....

Remember their borders are closed. They've had a few cases from smugglers and returning citizens but last I heard had cordoned off two villages and its under control now. They are testing with kits from Russia. As with some other Asian countries, they've not got it bad. The country isnt in lockdown, just two areas were. I am not sure if they still are.
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Re: Russia’s Assistance to Italy with Coronavirus
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2020, 05:21:53 PM »
From Reuters

Most Russian aid to Italy "absolutely useless" in fighting coronavirus

18:40, 26 March 2020 WORLD 389 0 The publication raises concerns over the fact that all experts deployed are military, while the entire operation is being coordinated by Russia's defense ministry. REUTERS Concerns have arisen in Italian political circles and media about the so-called "humanitarian assistance" that Russia is providing to the country to combat the coronavirus. That's according to Europeiska Pravda citing Italy's La Stampa. According to senior sources of the publication, Russia is far from being guided by solely humanitarian motives, but rather pursues its own political and diplomatic interests. Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, the newspaper writes, agreed to accept Russian assistance to "strengthen wonderful personal relations" with Moscow. However, as the sources of the publication note, 80% of Russian deliveries are "absolutely useless or of little use" for Italy to fight COVID-19, being nothing more than an excuse. Read also Russia, China exploiting coronavirus in geopolitical game Russia deployed equipment for disinfection of territories and other similar special equipment, while China, for example, delivered medical face masks and mechanical ventilation devices. The publication raises concerns over the fact that all experts deployed are military, while the entire operation is being coordinated by Russia's defense ministry, not the ministry of health. All military are high-ranking: generals, colonels, and majors, and "move freely around Italy, a few steps from NATO bases." "In coronavirus, Putin saw an opportunity to gain a foothold in the Italian political arena, and the Italian prime minister didn't hesitate to support him amid this difficult crisis, accepting all this to consolidate wonderful personal relations with the political side of Moscow," the newspaper writes

Blatant American Propaganda, as also CNN
and all American TV channels. and MSM
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Who are the owners of the above MSM and News TV channels?

Rich Zionists... check it!


Borrring........
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