Coronavirus

[Contrarian]

Billy, go do the reading. They are building a temporary structure for an immediate need. They are not building a cathedral bell tower destined to last generations or, as it turned out, centuries.

You're chasing your tail by not being able to understand the needs of the 'client' and only seeing the task from your own, somewhat limited, perspective.

We have Andrew here who is an expert in best construction practices and who has a complete understanding of the situation and the clients needs which is a need for a temporary building that may last a few weeks or months. Have you actually talked to the authorities and medical experts in China to understand the situation and their needs or are you making stuff up....again?

If those prefab buildings last longer than a year it'll be a bonus. Whatever survives those few months will then be razed to the ground to avoid any possibility of contamination in the future.

More BS...again. You have no idea when the epidemic will end. You have no idea how long the hospital will be needed to treat those who were infected. You have no idea if the victims medical problems from this virus will last for years or for life. You have no idea when or if a vaccine and/or anti viral medicine will be discovered. Nobody knows when this will end...but you want people to believe you know a temporary building is need for only a few months. The hospital built quickly in 2003 for SARS was needed for years after the virus broke out and was finally demoed in 2010.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-03/28/content_12234394.htm

That reinforced concrete slab they poured on compacted imported structural fill can last 1000 years. The Chinese aren't going cheap on the foundation for the hospital.

I’m in agreement with Billy here. He has the experience and knowledge about the subject. No disrespect intended towards Andrew but I also agree Andy is just guessing.

[BillyB]

Billy, go read. You don't need to be an 'expert' to read.

I did read. You trust everything a journalist says? The journalist called excavators "diggers" and said there were 35 diggers on site but posted a photo of 50 excavators on site. So much for investigative journalism.

Billy, again read stuff. Even if this disease ends up being serious, in a few months it will be gone. That's how these things work.

Is that what you read? Can you show me where you read that? I don't think there is an expert in the world that would say what you just said. Nobody can make a promise this virus will be eradicated in a few months.

Just today I read over 100 has died and over 4000 is infected. The numbers continue to go up.

[andrewfi]

Guys, do the reading. I know, I know, learning hurts and it is for nerds and everything, but it is a useful lifelong skill.

When you learn a little you discover that epidemics burn out, they do not last for very long - even the worst of them work in the same way.

I do not need to be 'an expert' in mud to know that the Chinese want to build a big hospital - fast. All I need to do is read what they have already told us.

So, to, once again, ask Billy a question that he obviously hasn't got his head around: do you really, honestly, think that the Chinese are prioritising optimal site conditions over the need to rapidly get the prefabricated hospital units in place?

As a corollary, does Billy REALLY think that this temporary hospital, built on muddy land, from prefab units is destined to last for as long as the leaning Tower of Pisa? An edifice with which he was stupid enough to draw a comparison.

This shouldn't be tough stuff, although I can see that for some of you it obviously is. The education system through which you passed clearly failed you very badly.

[BillyB]

do you really, honestly, think that the Chinese are prioritising optimal site conditions over the need to rapidly get the prefabricated hospital units in place?

Yes, they are creating optimal site conditions. Watch the video I provided. The Chinese got rid of non structural fill and imported structural fill and poured a reinforced concrete slab. They created a site where pump trucks, cement trucks, delivery trucks and cranes can get close to the slab and set prefab walls. Without getting mud out of the way, the prefab walls would have to be carried by hand through the mud which would extend the time they could complete the project. You seem to think the fastest way to build a building is to ignore the earthwork that happens before the foundation. Where did you read that at?

I criticized what the methods they used the first day based off the early photos and videos but after watching the time lapse video I provided, they now got construction experts managing the project. If you don't trust your eyes when watching the video, you can continue believing everything written is true and promote reading. Some here may take your advice and become as smart as you. I've dealt with book smart college kids looking for jobs. I'll tell them they're an expert in nothing because they haven't even put into practice anything they learned from a book.

[dcguyusa]

International companies in are closing and bringing expats back home. By government order, casino staff must wear masks and scan temperature on guests. The only good thing that will come out of this is less snakes will be eaten.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/honda-evacuates-starbucks-stores-shut-virus-impact-on-business/ar-BBZm23Q?ocid=spartanntp

Another good thing is that there are no traffic jams and crowded streets. CO2 output will also be reduced. 

https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/wuhan-resembles-a-ghost-town-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-1.1580202372820

[Contrarian]

Guys, do the reading. I know, I know, learning hurts and it is for nerds and everything, but it is a useful lifelong skill.

When you learn a little you discover that epidemics burn out, they do not last for very long - even the worst of them work in the same way.

I do not need to be 'an expert' in mud to know that the Chinese want to build a big hospital - fast. All I need to do is read what they have already told us.

So, to, once again, ask Billy a question that he obviously hasn't got his head around: do you really, honestly, think that the Chinese are prioritising optimal site conditions over the need to rapidly get the prefabricated hospital units in place?

As a corollary, does Billy REALLY think that this temporary hospital, built on muddy land, from prefab units is destined to last for as long as the leaning Tower of Pisa? An edifice with which he was stupid enough to draw a comparison.

This shouldn't be tough stuff, although I can see that for some of you it obviously is. The education system through which you passed clearly failed you very badly.

Now that you’ve shown your lack of knowledge and inability to read and grasp what Billy wrote, I suggest you read it again. Perhaps you need to read some things two or three times until you “get it”.

[cufflinks]

Latest reports from Hong Kong are MDs terrified of treating CoV20 patients (Real estimates now exceed 100,000+ infected and climbing geometrically) as they have run out of HazMat safety gear and masks which are nearly 100% manufactured in the PRC - Great move by several previous POTUS admins transferring the entire industrial manufacturing bases of vital healthcare consumables to Communist Freaking Red China along with the rest of our 70,000 factories industrial manufacturing base...




Another example of the Curse of Trump in operation.

[BillyB]

(Real estimates now exceed 100,000+ infected and climbing geometrically)

If that number is true, then this sh!t is getting out of control. The hospitals being built aren't enough to isolate those infected. China may have to get the military involved to quarantine entire cities and banning travel until a cure is found.

I don't know who came up with 100,000 but we have to assume China is taking the proper steps necessary and creating hospitals for only a few thousand infected because it's adequate for the situation they're facing. They are only hurting themselves if they aren't revealing the magnitude of the outbreak.

[BillyB]

China has locked down more than 15 cities quarantining a population of more than 50 million people. 1000 Americans stuck in Wuhan

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/china-coronavirus-outbreak-us-plans-wuhan-evacuation-death-toll-number-cases-rises-today-2020-01-28/

[AvHdB]

Spoke with my daughter today, she says in Munich where she is working there are 5 confirmed cases of Corona Virus.

[Lord of the Dance]

Spoke with my daughter today, she says in Munich where she is working there are 5 confirmed cases of Corona Virus.

Yikes!

I hear that they're trying to change the name of this virus to 'kung flu' 

[BillyB]

Spoke with my daughter today, she says in Munich where she is working there are 5 confirmed cases of Corona Virus.

One of the Germans didn't even go to China but acquired the virus from someone who just came back from China.

Big Pharma is racing to find something to beat the virus.

[cufflinks]

This may be putting a Garden Hose to a Raging Bush Fire... what with the Geometric progression in China infections and deaths.

Coronavirus update: Vaccine expected in Phase 1 trial within months, WHO to reconvene on Thursday
By Jaimy Lee
Published: Jan 29, 2020 1:40 p.m. ET

https://www.marke*snip*ch.com/story/coronavirus-update-vaccine-expected-in-phase-1-trial-within-months-who-to-reconvene-on-thursday-2020-01-29?mod=home-page

note site name is market watch one word not marke snip - the Site auto censor does not approve of the twaat letter sequence...

[dcguyusa]

The thing that is really worrisome is that the infected person does not show symptoms until much later from the time when the virus got in your body.  So many "healthy" people are carriers.

The vaccine companies say that a drug will not be available until a few months from now.  Some pharmacy stocks are UP.   

No T-W-A-T allowed here.   

[BillyB]

The World Health Organization is declaring a global emergency. Person to person transfer has happened in America and in Europe. 170 dead and almost 8000 infected. Does anybody know of any case where a person who's been infected made a full recovery or is it expected they'll be sick for the rest of their life until a cure is invented or their immune system figures out how to beat the virus?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

[Manny]

Does anybody know of any case where a person who's been infected made a full recovery

Many people are recovered already. Its pneumonia.

[BillyB]

Does anybody know of any case where a person who's been infected made a full recovery

Many people are recovered already. Its pneumonia.

It's good some people can recover on their own if their immune system is strong enough to eradicate the virus. Most haven't been so lucky and still have the virus or are dead. I've had pneumonia from a bacterial infection. I could beat it but I was prescribed anti biotics to help beat it faster. Hopefully big pharma will find something to beat the virus. Apparently some people's immune system alone isn't strong enough to defeat the virus.

China reported their deadliest day so far. Besides the nearly 8000 confirmed cases, 81,100 people are under observation for possible infection according to China's National Health Commission.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-sees-deadliest-day-yet-global-virus-fears-040446479.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews

[cufflinks]

A model that predicts the number of coronavirus infections that will occur if the outbreak isn’t contained shows that based on current projections, there will be over 183 million infections before the end of February.

The chart, produced by data firm Bianco Research, shows that if the current rate of infections remains consistent, 183,943,221 people will have been infected by the virus within the next three weeks.

Given that the virus has already infected a minimum of 7,711 people and killed 170 (a fatality percentage of just over 2per cent), if 183 million people were infected, statistically upwards of 3.6 million would die

https://www.infowars.com/coronavirus-model-predicts-183-million-infections-before-the-end-of-february/

[msmoby]

'Infowars' .... Is that a 'reliable source' ?

[BillyB]

The chart, produced by data firm Bianco Research, shows that if the current rate of infections remains consistent, 183,943,221 people will have been infected by the virus within the next three weeks.

Interesting chart but I suspect it won't come true because of changes in our behavior. Through education people are staying indoors and wearing masks outdoors more often in zones most affected. Also, entire cities are getting locked down and people are quarantined. If no education or action was happening, the amount of people getting infected can skyrocket.

What scares me the most is that no cure is found and thousands or millions of people will have this virus for life having to endure endless fever and pneumonia like symptoms. They may not die from the virus but their immune system may not be strong enough to take it out either. They will have to be quarantined for life.

[BillyB]

213 dead, 9700 infected, and 60 million quarantined is China's Friday morning report. US upgraded travel warning to do not travel to China. In a matter of weeks, this coronavirus has infected more people than sars did between 2002-2004. Medical experts believe it's under reported not because of a government coverup but because doctors don't have enough medical kits to adequately diagnose those who have the virus. Probably why 81,000 are currently under observation until more medical test kits are produced. Russia is closing it's 4200 km/2600 mi border with China joining Mongolia, North Korea and other Chinese neighbors barring crossings by land.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-advises-against-travel-to-china-virus-declared-emergency/ar-BBZv42d?ocid=spartanntp

[Steveboy]

213 dead, 9700 infected, and 60 million quarantined is China's Friday morning report. US upgraded travel warning to do not travel to China. In a matter of weeks, this coronavirus has infected more people than sars did between 2002-2004. Medical experts believe it's under reported not because of a government coverup but because doctors don't have enough medical kits to adequately diagnose those who have the virus. Probably why 81,000 are currently under observation until more medical test kits are produced. Russia is closing it's 4200 km/2600 mi border with China joining Mongolia, North Korea and other Chinese neighbors barring crossings by land.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-advises-against-travel-to-china-virus-declared-emergency/ar-BBZv42d?ocid=spartanntp

Its just a flu bug nothing more.. happens all the time.. eat plenty of fruit,, stay healthy and don't worry about it, Im certainly not..Just think how lucky you are its not the bubonic plague then you really would have some thing to worry about..

[msmoby]

Never heard of the 'bubonic' plague....Was it serious))

The UK has it's first two cases...

Russia has closed it's borders with China...


SEEMS pretty serious Steveboy...(

Take care!

[Guile]

Everytime I hear of the corona virus I think of the Mexican beer "Corona"...no correlation but I wonder the origins of the name.

[msmoby]

May be it's York ?

Spotted yesterday - men in Hazsuits and Ambulances at the Uni !