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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2750 on: September 17, 2020, 06:58:09 PM »
Russia uses a different method of counting deaths than we use in the west so the numbers do not mean anything in a comparison. In Russia if a person is fat and dies from covert-19 he died from obesity related causes. We are just about as crazy in the other direction.

Meanwhile UK infections continue to rise. Northern England seem to becoming the new hot spot.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/17/coronavirus-major-incident-declared-north-yorkshire/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&ICID=cus1579-adobe-vs-liftigniter-rec_news_control-liftigniter

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2751 on: September 18, 2020, 05:40:17 AM »
I know a bloke who has market stalls in Scarborough, Harrogate and other places in North Yorkshire. He said people up there have no regard for social distancing, never have since it started, and the Muslims are worse.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2752 on: September 18, 2020, 07:03:08 AM »
I know a bloke who has market stalls in Scarborough, Harrogate and other places in North Yorkshire. He said people up there have no regard for social distancing, never have since it started, and the Muslims are worse.

 We're having the same problem here. With the fast rising amount of new cases Ontario just announced strict fines for people throwing parties and the party goers who attend them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-statistics-september-17-1.5727727

The premier said the province is also instituting a minimum fine of $10,000 for the organizers of illegal social gatherings, as well as a $750 fine for people who show up to them.

"We will throw the book at you if you break the rules," Ford said.

"They must be a few fries short of a happy meal, these people."


 I liked his Happy Meal reference   :laugh:


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« Reply #2753 on: September 18, 2020, 07:35:14 AM »
Back before the UK went to lockdown Boris The Great told the British people that it was understood that the population would only go along with restrictions upon their freedoms for a limited amount of time. That if things went on too long then compliance would falter and fail. Of course, he was right!

At the time, it was estimated that compliance with lockdown restrictions in the UK would be around 75%- or that was set as the level required for effectiveness. I can't remember which now. In any event, compliance was much higher than expected. Now 7 months later and compliance fatigue has well and truly set in. Now people will be less willing to comply out of social duty and consideration of others. Now enforcement will become more important - fines and other sanctions will be increasingly needed.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2754 on: September 21, 2020, 08:12:54 PM »
 More doctors coming out and saying we are being conned by big pharma... and masks are not good for you!

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/1000-doctors-come-out-against-covid/

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« Reply #2755 on: September 21, 2020, 10:58:55 PM »
More doctors coming out and saying we are being conned by big pharma... and masks are not good for you!

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/1000-doctors-come-out-against-covid/

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« Reply #2756 on: September 21, 2020, 11:46:01 PM »

Chinese billionaire who criticized the Chinese President for his handling of the coronavirus disappeared in March. He is found guilty and will be sentenced to 18 years in prison. The Chinese court is one of the best in the world with a 99% conviction success rate.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ren-zhiqiang-chinese-tycoon-who-criticized-xi-jinpings-handling-of-coronavirus-jailed-for-18-years/ar-BB19hzdK?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2757 on: September 22, 2020, 02:18:25 AM »
Just a word on hydroxychloroqiune since the douche has been banned and I don't have to read his ad nauseam takes/arguments.

They have been using hydroxychloroquine is Russia since last February. I mentioned back then that you could get 1 tablet here in Moscow for about 16 cents, and it has shown to be effective if taken in the early stages of there disease. If you don't believe it, don't take it, simple really.

There are little, or very small margins in most pharmaceuticals given all the money that goes into R&D, marketing, etc., except for, ta da, vaccines, which are hugely profitable. Of course big Pharma is manipulating the narrative. 
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« Reply #2758 on: September 22, 2020, 05:18:42 AM »
Billy, when you comment on the Chinese criminal court system it's worth knowing some context. For example, you probably don't know much about the system in your adopted homeland.

In the United States, fewer than 1% of federal criminal cases go to trial and result in an acquittal! Those do not get to court are due to guilty pleas.

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Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/

Wow, China and the USA are about the same. Spooky huh?
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2759 on: September 22, 2020, 12:17:43 PM »
Well today we’ve just found out how the government will impose a raft of new coronavirus restrictions with the UK having seemingly reached a ‘perilous turning point’.

In Scotland our delightful leader criticised the UK government for a lack of action, then waited 24 hours before announcing her Boris +24 with a bit of Scottishness to please the socialist nationalists.

I’m no longer allowed to visit my parents at home but I can go to the pub every day with hoards of strangers until 10pm. I get the impression people are becoming not only less observant of the Covid laws but also less convinced about the threat.

Many folks I’ve spoken with or having read their social media posts, have moved on from a stay at home and save lives stance to let’s just get on with it and learn to live with the virus. People seem to be accepting the risk now.

I just hope business doesn’t go backwards because it’s all feeling rather buoyant at the moment, from my POV.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2760 on: September 22, 2020, 04:25:48 PM »
I’m no longer allowed to visit my parents at home but I can go to the pub every day with hoards of strangers until 10pm.

Is the 'rule of six' not a thing in Scotland?
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2761 on: September 22, 2020, 08:41:39 PM »
Billy, when you comment on the Chinese criminal court system it's worth knowing some context. For example, you probably don't know much about the system in your adopted homeland.

In the United States, fewer than 1% of federal criminal cases go to trial and result in an acquittal! Those do not get to court are due to guilty pleas.

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Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/

Wow, China and the USA are about the same. Spooky huh?

Yea here if the case is not over whelming strong it never goes to trail. In China they jail the lawyer who resent anybody they do not like. Very different. 

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2762 on: September 22, 2020, 08:55:09 PM »
Billy, when you comment on the Chinese criminal court system it's worth knowing some context. For example, you probably don't know much about the system in your adopted homeland.

In the United States, fewer than 1% of federal criminal cases go to trial and result in an acquittal! Those do not get to court are due to guilty pleas.

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Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/

Wow, China and the USA are about the same. Spooky huh?

The first paragraph in your link said 8% of the cases get dismissed 2% go to trial and 90% plead guilty probably to get a lesser punishment so, NO, the American court system is not the same as China's because they do not convict 99% of the people they go after.
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« Reply #2763 on: September 22, 2020, 08:56:18 PM »
Texan,

Resent or represent?

Yes they are very different and spell check is your friend.
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« Reply #2764 on: September 23, 2020, 01:50:51 AM »
Billykins, the reading is tough there isn't it. Please note that for your convenience I quoted directly from the article with the specific intent of helping you with clarity.

Let's, make it simple for you by asking you a question or two.
Not every case is proceeded with, you do know that, right?
The numbers referred to the ones that did proceed. Do you think that every criminal case in China proceeds to a conclusion of guilty or not guilty?

I am not going to get involved in a pissing contest with a bloke who needs a Male Pampers

I was making a simple point of comparison. Your failed attempt to split hairs does not invalidate the comparison. Your ignorant attempt to challenge the comparison is rather telling.

Assuming you're right the difference between China and the Land Of The Free, the country with the largest prison population and highest incarceration rate in the world, would be about 7%. Is that something you can feel proud about? Does that make you feel like a winner?

If you're gonna pick a hill to die on Billykins, make it something that you know about.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2765 on: September 23, 2020, 02:40:06 AM »
I’m no longer allowed to visit my parents at home but I can go to the pub every day with hoards of strangers until 10pm.

Is the 'rule of six' not a thing in Scotland?

From Friday, people in Scotland can no longer visit other households indoors. They can sit in groups of 6 outside though.

Trades people can still enter your home, you can sit in pubs and restaurants until 10pm but need to wear a mask when moving around. All public transport and shops still require face coverings too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53166816

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2766 on: September 23, 2020, 07:58:14 AM »
Ah, so if you visit your parents you can pretend to be the plumber, or invite them to the pub instead? 

All a bit daft really.

Yesterdays death rate was 28. Of those, if accurate, many will be old and infirm and/or have died from other causes while having it.

Compared with an average of 5 people a day dying on the roads, it doesnt seem that high.
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« Reply #2767 on: September 23, 2020, 08:58:50 AM »
Ah, so if you visit your parents you can pretend to be the plumber, or invite them to the pub instead? 

All a bit daft really.

Yesterdays death rate was 28. Of those, if accurate, many will be old and infirm and/or have died from other causes while having it.

Compared with an average of 5 people a day dying on the roads, it doesnt seem that high.

If I pay my mum to clean my house she’s allowed to come round and visit.  :-X

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« Reply #2768 on: September 23, 2020, 09:08:38 AM »
Assuming you're right the difference between China and the Land Of The Free, the country with the largest prison population and highest incarceration rate in the world, would be about 7%. Is that something you can feel proud about? Does that make you feel like a winner?


Assuming I'm right? You admitting not knowing if I'm right or wrong yet you write posts as if you know it all. Go figure. I knew a guy from the UK living in America. He was amazed stores like Walmart put goods out on the sidewalk outside their store and left them unattended. He said if that happened where he lived back home, things would be stolen. Maybe your nation needs to arrest a few more people like we do.
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« Reply #2771 on: September 23, 2020, 03:24:51 PM »
I knew a guy from the UK living in America. He was amazed stores like Walmart put goods out on the sidewalk outside their store and left them unattended. He said if that happened where he lived back home, things would be stolen. Maybe your nation needs to arrest a few more people like we do.

Nonsense. Have you ever been to England, Billy?

Many supermarkets here have stuff outside at the entrance, as do petrol stations. Stuff like plants, barbecue charcoal, logs, flowers, special offers, etc.

For smaller shops, its a tradition.

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Where I live you can go buy eggs, sausages, logs and other stuff from the local farm and leave the money in a box if nobody is there. Its called a trust box.

Maybe your pal came from a rough area.

We do have the advantage of being unlikely to be shot or killed by the police over here though. Yet we lock fewer people up. We have had a few thousand years more practice being a country though. Perhaps we learned some stuff in that time.
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« Reply #2772 on: September 23, 2020, 05:50:40 PM »
I knew a guy from the UK living in America. He was amazed stores like Walmart put goods out on the sidewalk outside their store and left them unattended. He said if that happened where he lived back home, things would be stolen. Maybe your nation needs to arrest a few more people like we do.

Nonsense. Have you ever been to England, Billy?

Many supermarkets here have stuff outside at the entrance, as do petrol stations. Stuff like plants, barbecue charcoal, logs, flowers, special offers, etc.

For smaller shops, its a tradition.

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Where I live you can go buy eggs, sausages, logs and other stuff from the local farm and leave the money in a box if nobody is there. Its called a trust box.

Maybe your pal came from a rough area.

We do have the advantage of being unlikely to be shot or killed by the police over here though. Yet we lock fewer people up. We have had a few thousand years more practice being a country though. Perhaps we learned some stuff in that time.

I've passed through Heathrow a number of times but never actually visited. The UK bloke living in America may have been from a rough neighborhood. People don't like to talk about it but we have a lot of crime from Hispanics and Blacks. But the violent crime rate from those ethnic groups living in America are almost the same as their brothers living in Africa, Central and South America. It's in the genes.
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« Reply #2773 on: September 24, 2020, 01:46:04 AM »
The CDC has recently come out with its survival rates.

Gov. DeSantis of Florida has taken a lot of heat from the MSM about his policies regarding the lockdown. Here's a recent tweet from him.

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CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
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« Reply #2774 on: September 24, 2020, 02:10:06 AM »
I just finished talking to my scientist/virologist friend here in Moscow about 20 minutes ago. "There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered about this virus" was the main thing I took from our conversation.

He also said that everyone who works in his company was tested for the virus (hundreds of employees) One thing that he told me that I found interesting was that they found a few cases of pneumonia in some asymptomatic people. IOW, these people had no idea they had the virus, much less pneumonia.

Symptoms of pneumonia are quite noticeable, even "walking pneumonia", but in these cases the person had no idea until tested. Strange indeed, and yet a bit disconcerting.

 
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