Coronavirus

[Texan77]

Why keep talking about old news. The Virus is likely to make a come back this winter. What we saw at the end of summer was an extension of the first wave. A real second wave likely to start because of schools and more people being together as weather cools off.  Public transportation and day care are likely to add to it. Some epidemiologist are saying the worse is yet to come.  The Chinese have started to use not completely tested vaccine in millions of people in an effort to curtail this. The USA CDC has said that if the virus get out of control too much they may consider doing the same thing here.  Mean while there is not enough vaccine to give to enough people to make a real different because it just has not been manufactured. Then all the paper work of keeping track of who got which vaccine and did they have a problem with it. This is only getting ready to be a mess that will probably take until next summer to completely work out.

One of the biggest problems is people are getting worn out and want to stop following the social distancing. That would make the wave worse but at the same time any type of social distancing will make the economy worse.

[Contrarian]

Study it for 7 years. I suspect suicides and DV cases might also be higher in Denmark and Norway and their economies may take longer to recover as well.

[d672]

Why keep talking about old news. The Virus is likely to make a come back this winter. What we saw at the end of summer was an extension of the first wave. A real second wave likely to start because of schools and more people being together as weather cools off.  Public transportation and day care are likely to add to it. Some epidemiologist are saying the worse is yet to come.  The Chinese have started to use not completely tested vaccine in millions of people in an effort to curtail this. The USA CDC has said that if the virus get out of control too much they may consider doing the same thing here.  Mean while there is not enough vaccine to give to enough people to make a real different because it just has not been manufactured. Then all the paper work of keeping track of who got which vaccine and did they have a problem with it. This is only getting ready to be a mess that will probably take until next summer to completely work out.

One of the biggest problems is people are getting worn out and want to stop following the social distancing. That would make the wave worse but at the same time any type of social distancing will make the economy worse.

 How is talking about what is happening in Sweden right now old news? They are not shut down, schools are open, they are walking around with no masks and they have a very small amount of cases when all these countries that locked down are getting hit hard with second waves. Even we are. 

 We now know the fatality rate is very low, lets protect the vulnerable, let it run its course and go on with life already. Sweden is!

[msmoby]

 How is talking about what is happening in Sweden right now old news? They are not shut down, schools are open, they are walking around with no masks and they have a very small amount of cases when all these countries that locked down are getting hit hard with second waves. Even we are. 

 We now know the fatality rate is very low, lets protect the vulnerable, let it run its course and go on with life already. Sweden is!

Let's

Economy down over eight percent in Qtr 2 ( Finland) which locked down ( just over 5 percent)

Finland managed to save 10 times more lives ..

That's what happens when you read Beifart publications for 'news' like the 'local' ...

[rosco]

  Meanwhile in Sweden, covid cases are extremely low when they are ramping up in most other countries

https://www.dailywire.com/news/in-last-10-days-sweden-has-averaged-1-death-per-day-from-covid-19?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR0H94hrXeR3KNObpw5RrgQgZYhCGt3Ou8NAMVGM6BV72oroedB2yaBpMfM

 Based on the number of deaths through September 10, the estimated deaths per million in Sweden would be 8,524, while neighboring countries such as Denmark would be estimated at 3,265 per million and Norway would be 2,174.

However, on Monday, thelocal.no reported that Sweden’s new case rates are better than Norway’s over the previous week: “Using the rate of infections per 100,000 residents during the last 7 days, Norway has registered 1.2 new cases of Covid-19 per day compared to 0.9 cases in Sweden, according to figures as of September 7th, according to newspaper VG’s count which is also based on figures from health authorities.” The outlet notes that, according to NRK, “Norway has not had a higher current rate of infection than Sweden since April 1st.”

Espen Nakstad, vice director of the Norwegian Directorate of Health, stated, “This is a clear sign that people in Sweden are doing a lot of things sensibly, maintaining social distance and using hygiene advice actively, and are careful about the spread of the virus.”


The Daily Mail added, “Denmark, which also imposed tight restrictions, has seen its infection rate rise higher than that witnessed in Sweden, despite initially seeming to have curbed the worst of the virus.”

  So much for Sweden's neighbors doing soooo much better than them in fighting covid. Looks like they did get it right, let it run it's course and go on with life without ruining their economy and everyone's lives.

An interesting read.

I said a while back that this all needs to play out over a longer period of time before we can start drawing conclusions. Sadly the virus has turned political and there are people out there who can’t stomach the thought of Sweden coming out of this successfully.

[d672]

  Meanwhile in Sweden, covid cases are extremely low when they are ramping up in most other countries

https://www.dailywire.com/news/in-last-10-days-sweden-has-averaged-1-death-per-day-from-covid-19?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR0H94hrXeR3KNObpw5RrgQgZYhCGt3Ou8NAMVGM6BV72oroedB2yaBpMfM

 Based on the number of deaths through September 10, the estimated deaths per million in Sweden would be 8,524, while neighboring countries such as Denmark would be estimated at 3,265 per million and Norway would be 2,174.

However, on Monday, thelocal.no reported that Sweden’s new case rates are better than Norway’s over the previous week: “Using the rate of infections per 100,000 residents during the last 7 days, Norway has registered 1.2 new cases of Covid-19 per day compared to 0.9 cases in Sweden, according to figures as of September 7th, according to newspaper VG’s count which is also based on figures from health authorities.” The outlet notes that, according to NRK, “Norway has not had a higher current rate of infection than Sweden since April 1st.”

Espen Nakstad, vice director of the Norwegian Directorate of Health, stated, “This is a clear sign that people in Sweden are doing a lot of things sensibly, maintaining social distance and using hygiene advice actively, and are careful about the spread of the virus.”


The Daily Mail added, “Denmark, which also imposed tight restrictions, has seen its infection rate rise higher than that witnessed in Sweden, despite initially seeming to have curbed the worst of the virus.”

  So much for Sweden's neighbors doing soooo much better than them in fighting covid. Looks like they did get it right, let it run it's course and go on with life without ruining their economy and everyone's lives.

An interesting read.

I said a while back that this all needs to play out over a longer period of time before we can start drawing conclusions. Sadly the virus has turned political and there are people out there who can’t stomach the thought of Sweden coming out of this successfully.

 That's exactly it, even the professionals kept changing their stories.... first we don't need masks, now we do. Flights won't make a difference, then all the sudden they did. It's been a guessing game all along.

 France is reporting record high daily cases now, even more than when it first hit. Parts of the US just went through that, Florida, Texas, etc. Yet New York isn't seeing a surge now after they went through a massive infection rate earlier, just like Sweden coincidentally! All those months of lockdown seem to be for nothing, it still ran it's course eventually and we won't know the final numbers til its passed. Today the rest of the world is on edge but in Sweden life is going on pretty much normally, that is pretty telling. Yet you still see people trying to say they got it wrong.

[d672]

 How is talking about what is happening in Sweden right now old news? They are not shut down, schools are open, they are walking around with no masks and they have a very small amount of cases when all these countries that locked down are getting hit hard with second waves. Even we are. 

 We now know the fatality rate is very low, lets protect the vulnerable, let it run its course and go on with life already. Sweden is!

Let's

Economy down over eight percent in Qtr 2 ( Finland) which locked down ( just over 5 percent)

Finland managed to save 10 times more lives ..

That's what happens when you read Beifart publications for 'news' like the 'local' ...

   And yet today Finland had 23 new cases, Sweden had none. Those stats are changing daily, and not for the better for Finland

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%22%20%5Cl%20%22countries

 

[rosco]

  Meanwhile in Sweden, covid cases are extremely low when they are ramping up in most other countries

https://www.dailywire.com/news/in-last-10-days-sweden-has-averaged-1-death-per-day-from-covid-19?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR0H94hrXeR3KNObpw5RrgQgZYhCGt3Ou8NAMVGM6BV72oroedB2yaBpMfM

 Based on the number of deaths through September 10, the estimated deaths per million in Sweden would be 8,524, while neighboring countries such as Denmark would be estimated at 3,265 per million and Norway would be 2,174.

However, on Monday, thelocal.no reported that Sweden’s new case rates are better than Norway’s over the previous week: “Using the rate of infections per 100,000 residents during the last 7 days, Norway has registered 1.2 new cases of Covid-19 per day compared to 0.9 cases in Sweden, according to figures as of September 7th, according to newspaper VG’s count which is also based on figures from health authorities.” The outlet notes that, according to NRK, “Norway has not had a higher current rate of infection than Sweden since April 1st.”

Espen Nakstad, vice director of the Norwegian Directorate of Health, stated, “This is a clear sign that people in Sweden are doing a lot of things sensibly, maintaining social distance and using hygiene advice actively, and are careful about the spread of the virus.”


The Daily Mail added, “Denmark, which also imposed tight restrictions, has seen its infection rate rise higher than that witnessed in Sweden, despite initially seeming to have curbed the worst of the virus.”

  So much for Sweden's neighbors doing soooo much better than them in fighting covid. Looks like they did get it right, let it run it's course and go on with life without ruining their economy and everyone's lives.

An interesting read.

I said a while back that this all needs to play out over a longer period of time before we can start drawing conclusions. Sadly the virus has turned political and there are people out there who can’t stomach the thought of Sweden coming out of this successfully.

 That's exactly it, even the professionals kept changing their stories.... first we don't need masks, now we do. Flights won't make a difference, then all the sudden they did. It's been a guessing game all along.

 France is reporting record high daily cases now, even more than when it first hit. Parts of the US just went through that, Florida, Texas, etc. Yet New York isn't seeing a surge now after they went through a massive infection rate earlier, just like Sweden coincidentally! All those months of lockdown seem to be for nothing, it still ran it's course eventually and we won't know the final numbers til its passed. Today the rest of the world is on edge but in Sweden life is going on pretty much normally, that is pretty telling. Yet you still see people trying to say they got it wrong.

Agreed.

People who applauded lockdowns and criticised others who chose a different strategy haven’t yet really grasped what a lockdown was. It’s essentially hiding in our houses, wrecking the economy, protecting the hospitals and changing life as we know it, without anything changing for the better outside our homes.

The same people who want a second lockdown are generally those earning from the state and don’t have the same element of financial risk as those who want to learn to live with the virus. It appears like a socialist/capitalist divide which makes the virus a political tool rather than simply a health and well being scenario.

It’s as though we were going to miraculously exit lockdown and covid would be gone. Yet here we are, the virus is still about, jobs are at risk, there’s no vaccine and there’s an excess death rate attributed to non covid related deaths. In the UK, more people died of suicide during August than they did from covid and guess what, almost nothing has changed since March in terms of protection. In fact we’re more exposed than ever but the numbers don’t back that up.

I do wonder if the virus ripped through those who were critically ill and extremely vulnerable, which cause the 3 month surge because around the world, bars, clubs, employment, public transport and social norms are more close to pre covid levels than ever before yet the death rate is tiny in most places, certainly the UK.

Governments have stopped talking about daily death rates because there are hardly any and instead they focus on tested positive numbers, as we test more people. I actually think this is a good thing because at this rate, the virus is less deadly than ever.

[andrewfi]

I still think that the lockdown as practised in the UK was worthwhile. At that time we did not know what the hell was going on. As we now know, even though, at no point was the UK hospital system overwhelmed, lots of people died.

'Hiding in our homes' saved lives. Not so much from the infection, but in terms of enabling people who needed care to get the care they needed. That was the strategy, in the UK, from the earliest days. Objective clearly achieved.

Now, just a short while later and we know much more. In the UK, very few people are dying. That's partly down to improvements in knowledge and thus treatment and, in part, because many of the most vulnerable have already been moved off the game board. Many of the most vulnerable people still unaffected are still taking great steps to shield themselves and will continue to do so until they get fed up with it.

Now, we know that the virus can cause long-term health effects. At the outset, I was pretty blase about the effects and was not against the idea of contracting Covid-19 to get it out of the way. Now? I have a different opinion.

Now, in the UK at least, we have data that goes down to postcode level (in the UK that means just a few houses) which means that action can be taken on a hugely granular level. I doubt that there will ever be another full lockdown in the UK, or many other countries. We can see many changes to behaviour that each have a small, but cumulative effect. Relatively small additional measures enable a semblance of a normal life. When I was over there the other week, it was a pain in the arse registering my presence at restaurants. I hated wearing a mask, but there was nothing I wanted to do that I could not do - apart from going for a swim.

This will pass. It will not entirely disappear. but the progress isn't much different to previous pandemics. Perhaps the biggest issue I see is the politicisation of the virus, especially in the USA - that's a human tragedy in the making - but that's not the virus, that's the humans, some of whom are IMHO downright evil.

[rosco]

To be clear I’m not a naysayer of covid or the lockdown and I agree with large parts of your post Andrew. The lockdown bought us time to understand the reality of the situation and I’m sure there was a worse case scenario the government couldn’t afford to play out. It was like pulling the car over to read the map, it prevented us from getting more lost but it didn’t get us back on track whilst sat there.

I just think some people wrongly believe that the only option available is to hide at home until either a vaccine is introduced or it burns itself out. There are so many variables in play so it’s impossible to prove that one strategy is head and shoulders above all others and yes people will prefer a choice that better suits their situation.

The political manipulation isn’t exclusive to the US because the Tory’s have been battered by the liberals, the greens, labour and anyone who isn’t conservative. Things could have been handled better with hindsight but it’s pathetic the way the opposition have pretended it’s been mismanaged and that the government is responsible for killing people. What we do know is that the opposition are responsible for dividing and attempting to destroy the country more than anyone else.

If one hadn’t looked at facts, we would believe that the left wing media darling in all of this has handled it best, Nicola Sturgeon. The headlines continually praised her but quietly behind the scenes, Scotland’s figures attributed to deaths, deaths by country size, old folks homes, cover ups and R rates suggest it’s exactly the opposite. Yet the uneducated will blame Boris every day and twice on a Sunday.

At least Brexit will divide their attention for a little while.

[Dogsoldier]

To be clear I’m not a naysayer of covid or the lockdown and I agree with large parts of your post Andrew. The lockdown bought us time to understand the reality of the situation and I’m sure there was a worse case scenario the government couldn’t afford to play out. It was like pulling the car over to read the map, it prevented us from getting more lost but it didn’t get us back on track whilst sat there.

I just think some people wrongly believe that the only option available is to hide at home until either a vaccine is introduced or it burns itself out. There are so many variables in play so it’s impossible to prove that one strategy is head and shoulders above all others and yes people will prefer a choice that better suits their situation.

The political manipulation isn’t exclusive to the US because the Tory’s have been battered by the liberals, the greens, labour and anyone who isn’t conservative. Things could have been handled better with hindsight but it’s pathetic the way the opposition have pretended it’s been mismanaged and that the government is responsible for killing people. What we do know is that the opposition are responsible for dividing and attempting to destroy the country more than anyone else.

If one hadn’t looked at facts, we would believe that the left wing media darling in all of this has handled it best, Nicola Sturgeon. The headlines continually praised her but quietly behind the scenes, Scotland’s figures attributed to deaths, deaths by country size, old folks homes, cover ups and R rates suggest it’s exactly the opposite. Yet the uneducated will blame Boris every day and twice on a Sunday.

At least Brexit will divide their attention for a little while.

That’s a great post Rosco, and Andrews too.
I largely agree with your comments.

Complete lockdowns can’t be the answer. This virus is going to be around in some shape or form for keeps. The genie is out of the bottle and it can’t be capped.

There is no sign of an imminent vaccine that can be rolled out.
The Oxford vaccine had its trials stopped a few days ago and even if a vaccine was successfully produced the long term effects of any vaccine are an unknown and will be for times to come, decades even, until enough data is available.

As Andrew mentioned the other effects of Covid are now becoming known and as more data rolls in, the better will be the prognosis for affected demographics and diagnosis/ treatment.
Locking the population down is deferring a solution and at a great cost, not just for individual economies but scale that up on a global level and the likely effects of a Covid induced economic meltdown are pretty alarming and an unknown although one can make an educated guess of likely outcomes.

Schools only opened up a few days ago and already there are positive cases in the student community.
Should the schools shut again? If so for how long and will they keep closing each time Covid cases are found? What of the knock on effects on working families and so on...?

One can extrapolate that to other sectors.

No easy answers here but a full on lockdown isn’t one of them.

[andrewfi]

The Astra Zeneca trials are back on again. What happened was a normal part of the process. Those guys watch the trial participant's health like hawks and absolutely need to be as certain as they can possibly be that what they saw was not down to the product under test.

For sure the thing is politicised in the UK - but it is on a different order of magnitude to what is happening in the Home of the Brave. It seems from here that US society is breaking down and Covid-19 is only a part of that process.

Over here, Covid-19 is part of life. A recent visitor from Switzerland was rather aghast at the manner in which we are coping. I was much the same, from a different perspective when I went to the UK. As I wrote before, and as Billykins seems keen to remind himself, I wrote that the virus would pass away in a few months, and it will. Just as the virus that caused Spanish Flu hung around for a few months causing big problems but never went away. It still pops up from time to time, it just becomes part of the noise, part of what we live with.

For sure though, things will never be just as they were before the virus - some changes will be good and some will be bad, but life will go on and humans have short memories!

[rosco]

Locking the population down is deferring a solution and at a great cost, not just for individual economies but scale that up on a global level and the likely effects of a Covid induced economic meltdown are pretty alarming and an unknown although one can make an educated guess of likely outcomes.

And we have to ask ourselves, who wins from that or at least who supports it fanatically?

Anti capitalists, socialists, communists, eco warriors, extinction rebellion, Greta Thuneburg worshipers and the unwashed. Many middle class supporters can be found on Facebook comments sections with ridiculous profile pictures including EU stars, I love Labour and the world has no borders slogans.

Back to politics again unfortunately.

[andrewfi]

There's millions of people in the UK who might consider themselves better off in one way or another as a result of government support during the lock-down.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. That's not politics, that's self interest! Of course politicians who want to harness votes will want to maximise the effects.

I think that the situation in the United States is fundamentally different to what is going on in the UK and other countries in Europe.

Also, there are millions of people who are scared shitless about getting the virus. I am on a forum for the area that I live in when in Spain. The pages are full of posts from the scared old criticising anything they see as not conforming to the current regulations and wittering to each other about what to do about it.

There's also an element of envy - when only certain groups of people were allowed to work there were a multitude of posts asking whether such and such a group of people were allowed to work because they'd just seen somebody they suspected of being out and about who should have been locked up.

Fear, envy and greed are potent motivators of discontent.

Many governments have made it clear that there will be no repetition of the lockdowns were experienced earlier in the year. Earlier in the year it was possible to make calculations that the net cost of lockdown was lower than the cost of the virus on human life in terms of deaths and shortened healthy life expectancy.

I read a paper that discussed this very topic. This estimate will have been part of the planning of every government - and different in every country! Now, the cost/benefit ratio has shifted so that, in many countries, the determination has been reached that a repeat of full lockdown is not worthwhile and, yes, some people will die.

[Dogsoldier]

Think about the effects on the economies of large developing countries of the first lockdown.
We are talking about job losses in the 100s of millions and contractions to economies in some cases of over 20%.
People in these countries have no safety social welfare net, no savings to fall back on, no possessions of worth they can sell to tide them over.

Lockdown for them has had very real, immediate consequences.
If they are not economically active they and their families starve.
In the new normal 10s of millions of jobs have been lost.
The jobs those people had no longer exist.

The potential for social unrest on a vast scale is very real and that will inevitably make its way to our shores as people vote with their feet and disperse to countries with better options for survival.

The next big migration wave is a very real possibility and it’s already started.

[Manny]

My sons school has a case of coronavirus. The school has excluded the entire year group. Previous to that they have been staggering all interactions so that year groups do not coincide.

My daughters school also has a case, and one family case of a pupil. There again, another form group has been excluded to learn remotely on their chrome books.

Both schools are doing very well at separating forms and year groups from each other and staggering contact in general areas. There are all kinds of regimes in place so that different year groups do not contact each other and they are staggered during lunch breaks etc.

We are not terribly concerned. Both schools seem to have good practices in place.

[Texan77]

New Coronavirus cases reaches new daily record.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/coronavirus-cases-hit-record-one-day-increase-as-who-releases-scathing-report-on-response-and-lack-of-prevention/ar-BB192lBE?ocid=U218DHP

[msmoby]

Think about the effects on the economies of large developing countries of the first lockdown.
We are talking about job losses in the 100s of millions and contractions to economies in some cases of over 20%.
People in these countries have no safety social welfare net, no savings to fall back on, no possessions of worth they can sell to tide them over.

Lockdown for them has had very real, immediate consequences.
If they are not economically active they and their families starve.
In the new normal 10s of millions of jobs have been lost.
The jobs those people had no longer exist.

The potential for social unrest on a vast scale is very real and that will inevitably make its way to our shores as people vote with their feet and disperse to countries with better options for survival.

The next big migration wave is a very real possibility and it’s already started.

 

Now DS makes 'immigrants are a danger of Corona'


WHY would folks already in Europe be a great risk - other than their situation making it easier to spread ?


Sweden didn't lockdown,,,  it's Q2 economy suffered WORSE than Finland's - which did - and 10 times less people ( proportionally ) died in Finland ..

[Texan77]

What has been achieved by the lock down is the number of deaths per infection is much lower. Not only in the USA but also all across Europe. The second wave in the USA was much larger than the first but with less deaths. The chart I am showing show that virus is making a comeback in Europe especially Spain and France.  Both countries now have a higher infection rate than the USA. You will also note that Uk infection rate though still low is climbing.

I do not have any children in school but I can see there are difference. The children are never out to play. There is never any groups of children out side the school. More parents are bringing the children to school rather than using the school bus.

Right now colleges seem to be having the most problems. It seems college students want to get together and socialize when not in class. It causing a huge problem. 

[rosco]

Sweden didn't lockdown,,,  it's Q2 economy suffered WORSE than Finland's - which did - and 10 times less people ( proportionally ) died in Finland ..

Very simplistic of you Moby. We've already discussed how the economies of the 2 countries are very different. Here, do some reading

https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/finland.sweden/economy

It's also key to note that Sweden's economy grew in Q1 and their expected Q3/4 and 21/22 growth rates are much better than their neighbours and any others in the EU. Sweden has a net benefit here but you continue to dance around their Q2 economy comparison which is literally buttons.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

I'll let someone else explain this to you;

Now DS makes 'immigrants are a danger of Corona'

WHY would folks already in Europe be a great risk - other than their situation making it easier to spread ?

[Dogsoldier]

Think about the effects on the economies of large developing countries of the first lockdown.
We are talking about job losses in the 100s of millions and contractions to economies in some cases of over 20%.
People in these countries have no safety social welfare net, no savings to fall back on, no possessions of worth they can sell to tide them over.

Lockdown for them has had very real, immediate consequences.
If they are not economically active they and their families starve.
In the new normal 10s of millions of jobs have been lost.
The jobs those people had no longer exist.

The potential for social unrest on a vast scale is very real and that will inevitably make its way to our shores as people vote with their feet and disperse to countries with better options for survival.

The next big migration wave is a very real possibility and it’s already started.

 

Now DS makes 'immigrants are a danger of Corona'


WHY would folks already in Europe be a great risk - other than their situation making it easier to spread ?


Sweden didn't lockdown,,,  it's Q2 economy suffered WORSE than Finland's - which did - and 10 times less people ( proportionally ) died in Finland ..

Are you brains more addled than normal, or is your Natural English at odds with what normal folk converse in?

Go back, read my post again and come back with a ‘riposte’ relevant to my post.

[d672]

 So India is reporting an insane amount of Covid cases right now. Yesterday they logged over 83,000 cases in a day, first time under 100,000 in days. They can very well take over the US in total amount of cases within a couple weeks.

https://www.660citynews.com/2020/09/14/the-latest-india-reports-lowest-coronavirus-jump-in-a-week/

 Yet their death rate is way lower than that of the US. 80,776 deaths in 4.93 million cases vs 195,000 deaths in 6.6 million cases. Standard treatment for covid in India is HCQ, in the US it isn't. Sorry, but you can't tell me that's a coincidence!

 More info on studies using HCQ...

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/

 

[AvHdB]

So India is reporting an insane amount of Covid cases right now. Yesterday they logged over 83,000 cases in a day, first time under 100,000 in days. They can very well take over the US in total amount of cases within a couple weeks.

https://www.660citynews.com/2020/09/14/the-latest-india-reports-lowest-coronavirus-jump-in-a-week/

 Yet their death rate is way lower than that of the US. 80,776 deaths in 4.93 million cases vs 195,000 deaths in 6.6 million cases. Standard treatment for covid in India is HCQ, in the US it isn't. Sorry, but you can't tell me that's a coincidence!

 More info on studies using HCQ...

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/

Whether HCQ is a factor is hard to quantify. There are conflicting studies and trials.

From my perspective I think the most important number is confirmed new infections. From this number a percentage will be hospitalized. And from those under medical care another percentage will move onto another realm. The movers percentage has been declining. Personally I doubt to HCQ. I recognize other posters disagree with the above. They are just percentages.

Medical regimes have improved as doctors have shared approaches and treatment. This is what has lowered the fatality percentage.

[Dogsoldier]

So India is reporting an insane amount of Covid cases right now. Yesterday they logged over 83,000 cases in a day, first time under 100,000 in days. They can very well take over the US in total amount of cases within a couple weeks.

https://www.660citynews.com/2020/09/14/the-latest-india-reports-lowest-coronavirus-jump-in-a-week/

 Yet their death rate is way lower than that of the US. 80,776 deaths in 4.93 million cases vs 195,000 deaths in 6.6 million cases. Standard treatment for covid in India is HCQ, in the US it isn't. Sorry, but you can't tell me that's a coincidence!

 More info on studies using HCQ...

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/

In the US people’s immune systems are probably more compromised.
In places like India, dirt and disease are rampant so it may be that immune systems are more able to fight off Covid resulting in milder infections and less death.
I read a more detailed article about this. I’ll see if I can find it and post it here.

[BillyB]

Russia's excess deaths outstrip the Covid toll by 3 to 1.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-excess-deaths-over-summer-142518552.html

Here's a chart for America's death per week for the last three years. If it's over the yellow line, it's excess deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard

Years from now when historians calculate the World's death toll from COVID, they will not trust the numbers nations report. They will use the amount of excess deaths over expected deaths if Covid never existed.