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Offline Rae

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Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« on: December 25, 2019, 10:28:25 PM »
After a recent family visit back to Ukraine, I am now wondering if my wife obtained a UA birth certificate for our child. Doing it behind my back without saying anything would bother me.

Is it even possible to do a birth register search there ?
Any recommendations who to contact or private agency to use ?

Thanks,
Rae

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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2019, 11:21:26 PM »
Where was the child born?
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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2019, 02:49:07 AM »
After a recent family visit back to Ukraine, I am now wondering if my wife obtained a UA birth certificate for our child. Doing it behind my back without saying anything would bother me.

Is it even possible to do a birth register search there ?
Any recommendations who to contact or private agency to use ?

Thanks,
Rae
What else is happening between the two of you that makes you think so?
Is there a lack of trust giving rise to this suspicion and what would be the motive?
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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2019, 03:46:33 AM »
After a recent family visit back to Ukraine, I am now wondering if my wife obtained a UA birth certificate for our child. Doing it behind my back without saying anything would bother me.

Is it even possible to do a birth register search there ?
Any recommendations who to contact or private agency to use ?

Thanks,
Rae

a birth certificate will be granted only at birth of a child. you can request only excerpts of it later but either parent can do so.

if you distrust your wife so much you have bigger problems than this document
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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2019, 05:50:19 AM »
Mark, absolutely agree with you.
Of course, if the trust is gone and the relationship is essentially over, as is likely here, then concern about losing one's kid is a valid concern.
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Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2019, 11:45:05 AM »
After a recent family visit back to Ukraine, I am now wondering if my wife obtained a UA birth certificate for our child. Doing it behind my back without saying anything would bother me.

Is it even possible to do a birth register search there ?
Any recommendations who to contact or private agency to use ?

Thanks,
Rae

Lets call this child a "he" for the purpose of this conversation so that
I don't have to call them he or she. If the Child was born in Ukraine
then he would have a Ukrainian birth certificate. If he was born in
the USA they would have a USA birth certificate.

I think what you meant to ask is if you wife secretly acquired UA
citizenship for the child, without your knowledge or help. The answer
is I seriously doubt it. She would need certified copies of your birth
certificate, passport etc and then to get a large assortment of
translations, apostilles, stamps etc.

The Kinks wrote a song with the lyrics "paranoia will destroy ya!"

If you still love your wife you need to get together with her and
talk and talk and talk until you get to a point that you have mutual
trust and respect.

If she wants to get Ukrainian citizenship for the child I think that
you should probably support her in this. What are your reservations?
Worried about the child getting drafted and going to war? Worried
that the marriage is over and she will steal the child back to Ukraine?

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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2019, 09:31:38 PM »
Late to reply, sorry.

Manny: Not in UA. Normal western country.

Wife brought marriage certificate, internal passport, childs birth certificate for trip. Flights were not booked with a UA passport.

I really don't want to get into a story now dissecting every little nuance. I asked, was told no, but not sure if I believe her.

So my simple question again is if there is some way to verify in the UA birth registry if my child has been issued a UA birth certificate?
Do you know a trustworthy P.I. agency I can contact?
Inbox reply is fine as well.

Thanks again,
Rae

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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2019, 10:40:56 PM »
I fail to see how or why Ukraine would issue a birth certificate for a child not born there. Or what use it would be.

Ukraine IIRC doesn’t allow dual nationality so obtaining one as a path to citizenship seems unlikely.

Your wife would need the western birth certificate if she is on a visit home with the child as sometimes these countries make a fuss about kids exiting with adults and ask for further proof that you’re a parent. A birth certificate being the best proof.

I don’t think using an investigative agency of any kind would yield results. They’d more likely take your cash, do nothing and report no document exists.

If you really want to spend some money, there is a woman called Mila some know here who can probably be paid to research public data bases. Someone can post a link to her site if they have it handy.
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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2019, 10:53:08 PM »
Thanks Manny for the name.

Child obtains UA citizenship by birthright (mama).

Your wife would need the western birth certificate if she is on a visit home with the child as sometimes these countries make a fuss about kids exiting with adults and ask for further proof that you’re a parent. A birth certificate being the best proof.
I don’t think using an investigative agency of any kind would yield results. They’d more likely take your cash, do nothing and report no document exists.


I made the trip too, but your points are valid....  *sigh*

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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2019, 11:43:47 PM »
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Dual citizenship for children in UA
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 12:15:03 PM »
Ukraine IIRC doesn’t allow dual nationality so obtaining one as a path to
citizenship seems unlikely.

There is an exception for children born to parents of two nationalities. They are
allowed dual citizenship.


https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/ukraine/

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Re: Dual citizenship for children in UA
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2019, 01:32:43 PM »
Ukraine IIRC doesn’t allow dual nationality so obtaining one as a path to
citizenship seems unlikely.

There is an exception for children born to parents of two nationalities. They are
allowed dual citizenship.


https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/ukraine/

Yes, but Ukraine still asks for both parents signatures if you want to give your offspring dual-nationality.

(Been there, done that 9 years ago).
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2019, 03:03:40 PM »

Yes, but Ukraine still asks for both parents signatures if you want to give your offspring dual-nationality.

(Been there, done that 9 years ago).

I can't see how she could do any of this in secret or why
she would try (in secret).

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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.
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Re: Dual citizenship for children in UA
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2019, 05:14:31 PM »
Ukraine IIRC doesn’t allow dual nationality so obtaining one as a path to
citizenship seems unlikely.

There is an exception for children born to parents of two nationalities. They are
allowed dual citizenship.

https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/ukraine/

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Re: Can I find out if son has a UA birth certificate ?
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2019, 06:39:07 PM »
you afraid your wife gonna leave you with your kid?

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2019, 10:03:06 AM »
Thanks for plugging that gap in my knowledge, Bill.  tiphat

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