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« on: September 13, 2019, 08:46:13 AM »
I asked questions like this in another thread but I thought I'd start another. Also, Manny moved that to another more relevant location. And I've done some searching. Nevertheless, I still think there might be more information out there. Please reply only if you have first or second hand information. Due to the tawdry nature of this topic, feel free to use an alias, as in "A good friend of mine...". On the other hand I'm not particularly interested in 3rd or 4th hand information or generalities or hearsay.

1. Have you ever met someone who was in a sponsored relationship?
2. Did you know the sponsor, sponsoree or both?
3. Did the people live together during the relationship?
4. Was there emotional intimacy or at least an emotional connection?
5. How long did the relationship last?
6. How specific were the terms of the agreement?
7. Do you think either of these people would do this again?
8. How much money was involved? Was it a monthly allowance type of thing with a set amount?
9. How did the people meet each other?
10. Did the sponsor live full time in the country where the sponsoree lived?

Thanks for any information. I'm not real proud of asking these questions but I'm wondering if this might be a better relationship model for me given my mistakes of the past.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2019, 09:08:02 AM »
Who are you going to sponsor?
Sponsoring is pretty much a CEE thing. In the Land of the Free, one is usually looking for a 'sugar babe'. The thing looks much the same though.

If you are looking to sponsor a CEE woman, then - why?
You won't be there enough to make the thing work to your benefit.

Can you afford such a woman in your country? How many will be interested in a bloke who lives in the back of beyond?
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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2019, 10:00:34 AM »
Firstly are you considering this for FSU or American women?

The culture is quite different. Many Russian men have mistresses and several women in play at the same time.  If you are wealthy then the girl will expect certain things like clothes, jewelry, some even get cars and a flat to live.

And how are you gonna broach the subject of sponsoring someone.  Here there are websites for it.  If you ask a Russian or Ukrainian girl the translation may come out wrong and then you're gonna be in trouble.  She may interpret it that you consider her as a prostitute and stop all contact.

Just do what alot of guys here have.  Offer to take a girl on a vacation trip all expenses paid.  Somewhere where Russians don't need visas like Turkey, Cyprus, Thailand...or if they have a visa go to Europe.  May it clear what you want from her regarding sex etc...



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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2019, 11:13:06 AM »
Sure there are websites suitable for this, the various "sugarbabe, sugardaddy" websites and ones like 'travelgirls".

To answer your questions directly;

1: yes
2: yes
3: no, she was a university girl, so available on holidays only
4: it was a GFE. She would kiss him in public and hold his arm as they walked. I know he had no one else in his life, and he never asked about her life when apart. I know she treated him as a mentor and friend. She was elegant and classy. She was happy to meet his friends, and be introduced as a girlfriend.
5: 4 years
6: It was verbal only. She stated she did not think about their age gap when spending time together, but that the age gap was too great to consider a marriage with children.......as such it would last until it stopped. No money was asked for, but expenses were covered while together, which she was happy with.
7: The girl finished her degree, and met a young man she thought she wanted to marry. That decision was conveyed and accepted, and the 2 remain friends to this day.
8: In this particular case there was no contract and no stipend. It was purely a part-time agreement that both knew would end in the near future. Trips were made to exotic locations, and gifts given. No cash ever changed hands.
9: He hired her as a translator for some meetings. No expectation was made as to a possible relationship, but they found an attraction to each other. she was younger than he expected, he was older than she expected, but they enjoyed each others company.
10: No, the first time they were together was in her country. after that they met outside in other localities when she was on holidays from her studies. She nominated the weeks, and he either accepted or declined. They had contact by video chat regularly, but not daily or even weekly.

I know that wasn't exactly the situation you were asking about in terms of a monthly, paid arrangement, but it is the only one I have personal knowledge of.

I am not sure that I could have a "contract" girlfriend, as personally I like a mental connection that I could never get when Paying for affection, but I have no judgement on those who could. It does after all make some sense on a commercial basis if you have no plans for a family, or a need for "love" in the emotional sense.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2019, 12:25:53 PM »
1. Have you ever met someone who was in a sponsored relationship?  Yes.
2. Did you know the sponsor, sponsoree or both?   Both in some cases, the woman in others.
3. Did the people live together during the relationship? When he is foreign, only when he is in country.  When he's local, no, usually because the local has a wife.
4. Was there emotional intimacy or at least an emotional connection?  He thinks there is.  She is good at giving that illusion, but if her Ukrainian boyfriend would commit, she'd dump the sponsor in a minute.  In some cases I know of, the Ukrainian boyfriend lives with her, vacating when the foreign sponsor appears.
5. How long did the relationship last?  Many of them are for years.
6. How specific were the terms of the agreement?  I don't know.
7. Do you think either of these people would do this again? The foreign men are under the illusion they are in a long distance relationship, so for them, probably.  The women, can't say.
8. How much money was involved? Was it a monthly allowance type of thing with a set amount?  For all the ones I know, at least US$1000 monthly.  In addition to the stipend, one also recently bought her a car, something she'd never be able to do without him.
9. How did the people meet each other? For the foreigners, on dating websites.  I assume more naturally for the local men - never asked.
10. Did the sponsor live full time in the country where the sponsoree lived?  No.  They visit frequently - say, every other month, or away three months, there three months.

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Thanks for any information. I'm not real proud of asking these questions but I'm wondering if this might be a better relationship model for me given my mistakes of the past.

If you want someone to love you, then no, it isn't, although if you want to fool yourself, the "illusion of love" can be achieved.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2019, 12:35:27 PM »
the king of "sponsored" women was Hugh Hefner!  dude had like a new girl every week.  After he got divorced he would pay girls to be his "girlfriend", live with him in the mansion. it was all an illusion. some former Playmates or gf's wrote about their experiences.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2019, 03:34:35 PM »
Not sure why he married after his first divorce.  I guess he still had the "Elizabeth Taylor" syndrome.   :-\

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2019, 03:36:57 PM »
I dated a Belorussian woman in the States in the past. After the first date she must've decided I'm not husband material so when I asked her for a second date, she came out and told me she's going to college and instead of spending money on food and entertainment, just give it to her to help her with her studies and she'll give me what I want. Although she didn't see me as marriage material, she still wanted me in her life for personal benefits.

Over the many years on these forums, some guys believe most FSU women are for sale. I did an experiment and wrote to hundreds of women using a photo of a fairly decent looking guy. I said something to the tune of "I'm coming to your (insert city name) and I look for a girl I can help financially. Can we help each other?" I estimate only 5% replied back. Some out of curiosity of what I will offer but won't seal the deal and some took it as opportunity and began negotiations. The bottom line of my experiment confirmed my belief that most women in the FSU won't sell themselves for financial gain. I'm confident most FSU women aren't gold diggers or green card girls as some men have claimed. My thoughts are their bad experiences communicating with women overseas is because they are attracting the wrong women and they are looking for love in the wrong places.
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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2019, 03:52:09 PM »
justadude you should figure out why your last 2 relationships didn't work and fix that.  Instead of trying the "sponsored" route.  It's gonna make you feel more lonely.  Never put money into the equation it messes the relationship up. 

I don't remember which website you found those women on but in today's times those "foreign dating" sites are useless.

Some of my Russian lady friends are doctors, lawyers, scientists.  2 went to the States on their own merit and skills. You'll never find them on an antiquated site.  Thing is you gotta do the work of being in that country and meeting face to face.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2019, 05:55:02 PM »
Billy is right on the money here!

However, a response rate of 5%, even as an uncounted estimate, is not a low rate. :)

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 09:54:01 PM »
However, a response rate of 5%, even as an uncounted estimate, is not a low rate. :)

5% is a big number. I will add I didn't write women over 40 during my experiment. If I did write older women, I'm sure the percentage would've dropped.
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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2019, 02:35:18 AM »
Just a dude should just call in a Russian escort every time he wants his kicks. She’ll give him the girlfriend experience by the hour and he won’t break her heart. I’m sure there must be escort services near you.

This thread is ridiculous.

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2019, 07:45:09 AM »
Just a dude should just call in a Russian escort every time he wants his kicks. She’ll give him the girlfriend experience by the hour and he won’t break her heart. I’m sure there must be escort services near you.

This thread is ridiculous.

I agree with you. A much better solution from the emotional and financial perspective.
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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2019, 12:46:55 PM »
Just a dude should just call in a Russian escort every time he wants his kicks. She’ll give him the girlfriend experience by the hour and he won’t break her heart. I’m sure there must be escort services near you.

This thread is ridiculous.

Although I agree the thread is ridiculous, I disagree with you about the OP. I believe he needs the "chase".  I also believe he needs to have a woman feel something for him, giving him the power to decide her "fate", so to speak.  So, even if he believes sponsorship is an alternative for him, and you believe an escort is, neither are, because the woman will not have the emotional connection to him that he requires.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2019, 01:04:41 PM »
A hooker can give the same 'emotional response' as any other sex worker working for money. There's even a trade term for it.
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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2019, 01:43:56 PM »
It doesn't matter.  It isn't a genuine feeling that will allow OP to then ditch the woman with feelings for him. That's what he gets off on, even if he doesn't realize it.  It is not an uncommon phenomenon among men.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2019, 01:45:17 PM »
Just a dude should just call in a Russian escort every time he wants his kicks. She’ll give him the girlfriend experience by the hour and he won’t break her heart. I’m sure there must be escort services near you.

This thread is ridiculous.

Although I agree the thread is ridiculous, I disagree with you about the OP. I believe he needs the "chase".  I also believe he needs to have a woman feel something for him, giving him the power to decide her "fate", so to speak.  So, even if he believes sponsorship is an alternative for him, and you believe an escort is, neither are, because the woman will not have the emotional connection to him that he requires.

Sure, the sick basterd requires an “emotional connection to him” by a woman he deliberately deceives, and then at the bitter end he can reject her. Rinse and repeat.

Rosco is correct, he needs to hire a professional escort to give him a “GFE” and stay away from regular women with normal expectations.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2019, 01:50:27 PM »
It doesn't matter.  It isn't a genuine feeling that will allow OP to then ditch the woman with feelings for him. That's what he gets off on, even if he doesn't realize it.  It is not an uncommon phenomenon among men.

Let’s engage in some honesty here.

It’s an even more common phenomenon among Western Women poisoned by “feminist” ideology, which is why a significant number of WM look overseas.

But I do concur about the OP.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2019, 01:56:18 PM »
I asked questions like this in another thread but I thought I'd start another. Also, Manny moved that to another more relevant location. And I've done some searching. Nevertheless, I still think there might be more information out there. Please reply only if you have first or second hand information. Due to the tawdry nature of this topic, feel free to use an alias, as in "A good friend of mine...". On the other hand I'm not particularly interested in 3rd or 4th hand information or generalities or hearsay.

1. Have you ever met someone who was in a sponsored relationship?
2. Did you know the sponsor, sponsoree or both?
3. Did the people live together during the relationship?
4. Was there emotional intimacy or at least an emotional connection?
5. How long did the relationship last?
6. How specific were the terms of the agreement?
7. Do you think either of these people would do this again?
8. How much money was involved? Was it a monthly allowance type of thing with a set amount?
9. How did the people meet each other?
10. Did the sponsor live full time in the country where the sponsoree lived?

Thanks for any information. I'm not real proud of asking these questions but I'm wondering if this might be a better relationship model for me given my mistakes of the past.


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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2019, 01:59:39 PM »
Anything that occurs in one sex occurs in the other, to a greater or lesser degree.  However, it is far, far more common for a man to "chase" a woman, and then, having obtained his goal, to dump her.  Typically, this is done by continuing to call her, but being "too busy" to go out, or making a date and breaking it last minute.  It's so that she is still emotionally connected to him, while he is in "control" and emotionally detached from her.  A hooker, or a sponsorship will not provide that emotional connection, as the woman will never be attached to the man.

Women tend to "play" men in other ways.  The vast majority of WW are married to WM, so your "thesis" on the "evils of Western feminists" is overplayed.

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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2019, 02:06:24 PM »
Anything that occurs in one sex occurs in the other, to a greater or lesser degree.  However, it is far, far more common for a man to "chase" a woman, and then, having obtained his goal, to dump her.  Typically, this is done by continuing to call her, but being "too busy" to go out, or making a date and breaking it last minute.  It's so that she is still emotionally connected to him, while he is in "control" and emotionally detached from her.  A hooker, or a sponsorship will not provide that emotional connection, as the woman will never be attached to the man.

Women tend to "play" men in other ways.  The vast majority of WW are married to WM, so your "thesis" on the "evils of Western feminists" is overplayed.

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2019, 02:19:08 PM »
Yes, a WW who is sitting on a laptop beside her husband of over 3 decades, while he watches two football matches (flipping channels back and forth). 

This WW cooks dinner every night, bakes weekly, does all the laundry, all the housework, and tends to flowers.  That's in addition to a full time job. I don't think I'm particularly unusual in this, although most working women don't bake, and many don't cook every night. 

My better half takes out the garbage, does the yardwork, and maintains the vehicles.  He plants and tends to a vegetable garden because he enjoys it, and that is the only thing that is a typical "female duty" (at least in Slavic families), though, truth be told, I'd be better at it because I grew up among women who tended vegetable gardens, and used to plant one myself as a teen.

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2019, 02:27:56 PM »
Yes, a WW who is sitting on a laptop beside her husband of over 3 decades, while he watches two football matches (flipping channels back and forth). 

This WW cooks dinner every night, bakes weekly, does all the laundry, all the housework, and tends to flowers.  That's in addition to a full time job.  My better half takes out the garbage, does the yardwork, and maintains the vehicles.  He plants and tends to a vegetable garden because he enjoys it, and that is the only thing that is a typical "female duty" (at least in Slavic families), though, truth be told, I'd be better at it because I grew up among women who tended vegetable gardens, and used to plant one myself as a teen.


Touch’e however you were raised and educated in the West and you’re prone to defending feminist ideology at all costs.

More importantly you’re not a WM and therefore it’s simply impossible for you to relate or to have experienced, what American Guys and European guys have experienced the past few decades.

Speaking of College Football, yeah, buh bye.  :laugh:
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2019, 05:55:15 PM »
Halo how did you meet your husband?  You went to Ukraine for him right.  There wasn't even internet back then let alone whatsapp, skype. This was the early 80's I believe... strange stuff.

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Re: Sponsored or "Kept" Women
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2019, 06:18:06 PM »
yeah escorts could be the easiest thing for these guys.  no commitment and alot cheaper!


 

 

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