Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?

[msmoby]

I think it takes more testosterone to go home to the same woman every day, a woman who is cooking, cleaning, and feeding your children, who, after childbirth, hasn't got the same tight body she had before (*see the Duchess of Sussex as a prime example), and who will ask you to take out the garbage.  Sticking your d**k into every pretty thing that is willing to jump your bones is not a shining example of testosterone or maturity.

Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.

Er, no.  A woman's body is never quite the same after delivering a child.  Her skin is slightly different (thinner), her hips are a little different, if she breastfeeds, her breasts will be different, and let's not really go to other body parts. 

I beg to differ. My wife is in awesome shape with a mild six pack and we have a daughter. Breastfeeding brings back the figure faster Russian women say, and helps the breasts get back into shape - and from what I see, I agree. She is frequently accosted by women 15-20 years her junior for diet and exercise advice. When she goes into her gym classes, people often assume she is the teacher.

Well, I'm with Halo on this ..

I have found that RU women tend to have less stretchmarks - and many - outwardly recover well, but a guy with half a brain can tell who's given birth

As with Halo.. no need for details . but the eye is good enough

[Dogsoldier]

I beg to differ. My wife is in awesome shape with a mild six pack and we have a daughter. Breastfeeding brings back the figure faster Russian women say, and helps the breasts get back into shape - and from what I see, I agree. She is frequently accosted by women 15-20 years her junior for diet and exercise advice. When she goes into her gym classes, people often assume she is the teacher.

Well, I'm with Halo on this ..

I have found that RU women tend to have less stretchmarks - 1and many - outwardly recover well, but a guy with half a brain can tell who's given birth



As with Halo.. no need for details . but the eye is good enough

What an idiotic statement. 

[msmoby]

What an idiotic statement. 

Well, instead of inane comment - put your case ..

[Manny]

less stretchmarks

You mean fewer. Keep up that natural English you seek to teach Russians.

I see many British women go to seed right after having kids, so perhaps some of it is genetics? Perhaps FSU women can manage their figures better for some reason? I doubt my wife is in a minority of one by having both an excellent figure and no discernable signs of having given birth.

I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.

British women often couldn't find the nearest gym on a map, they eat McDonalds and drink Coke and then join Weight Watchers to tell each other how dreadful their husbands are because they ran off with a slim bird from Lithuania. They spend their free time Instagramming memes about how men should "accept them as they are" when that time would be better spent on an elliptical cross trainer.

[Contrarian]

What happened to the other post about your wife having a 6 pack and being in great shape?

If she likes it, she should consider becoming a personal trainer and/or opening her own studio.

There’s the story of the American gal who opened “spinner” studios. Did very well.

Your description of British women eating poorly and complaining echoes AW to a T.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2015/04/the-great-spinoff-rating-nycs-top-cycling-studios/amp/

[Dogsoldier]

What an idiotic statement. 

Well, instead of inane comment - put your case ..

It needs spelling out for you?
Oh, well. All that trolling must be taking its toll.

Like your oft quoted legion of mystery supporters on any topic under the sun, you now ‘know’  (not biblically, one hopes) armies of Russian women post childbirth to support your assertion.

[Manny]

What happened to the other post about your wife having a 6 pack and being in great shape?

This topic was split from another - the comment is quoted above.

If she likes it, she should consider becoming a personal trainer and/or opening her own studio.

We discussed a book and other stuff. But it's a very crowded market. And we have a business already. There are only so many hours in a day.

Your description of British women eating poorly and complaining echoes AW to a T.

Same anywhere western I think. And the FSU is catching up too. Estonia was once the home to the slimmest women in Europe - no more. And I noted Russia is catching up a decade ago.

So what about women? When on the way to Russia I always connect through Prague or Frankfurt. One can usually recognise the gates where a Russian flight will leave from without looking at the screens due to the dozen or so Smokinhotkovas lolling around. The abundance of leopardskin, high heels, small waists and big sunglasses is usually a tell tale sign. My flight from Prague had no such women on it! 

Any western guy walking around Russia is usually bowled over by the sheer volume of Smokinhotkovas, being a red blooded chap, I am no exception. Wandering around I started to see flat shoes, jogging pants and fat arses. I rubbed my eyes and looked around again...... it was true, I could have been stood in Wal-Mart in Manchester! 

Over a few days of course there was the odd archetypal glamorous Russian girl to be seen. In one week I noticed only about six or seven on the streets that I would consider traffic stoppers, quite bizarre. (Maybe they are all driving their Lada Kalina's they bought on credit.) There were many more that were generally quite attractive but not worth crossing an ocean for.

The most noticeable thing I saw was fat! Fat women - and lots of them. Was somebody here force feeding them all Big Macs? Of course when a woman's arse starts to resemble two badly parked Volkswagen Beetles, the heels go in the bin and out come the comfortable clothes. This is what I was seeing.

Stuff changes in society. But people make lifestyle choices.

[Halo]

I wasn’t referring just to weight. Bodies change.

I had a lot of pain in my abdomen during my first pregnancy as my muscles stretched to accommodate my expanding belly. I didn’t even know what it was, complained to my OB about my severe pain and he told me. I wasn’t like some women, who carry all their pregnancy in front. I expanded all over my middle. But, I didn’t start showing until about six months. No such pain with babies 2 and 3. Even the birth canal pain during delivery was less with babies 2 and 3 (no epidural). 

I can remember my body is pre and post  pregnancy. It’s not about weight. Everything stretches, your ligaments loosen, and they never go back to exactly what they were. It’s subtle but it’s there. And I got huge stretch marks, even though I only gained around 30 lbs in each pregnancy.

[Manny]

Everything stretches, your ligaments loosen, and they never go back to what they were. It’s subtle but it’s there. And I got huge stretch marks.

This differs for everyone though surely? Some women have zero stretch marks and get their figure back perfectly. Especially with gym work. Not all mothers show signs of having had a child. After two or three kids I can't comment on as that is beyond my experience with one woman.

[Halo]

There are different changes for different women. Some don’t occur until much later, such as the uterus literally falling out of the woman, causing discomfort. That is fairly common, and it’s the reason women should do Kiegel exercises.

Here are the most common-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/63291-post-pregnancy-changes.html

[Contrarian]

So as I said before be happy he’s getting a young bird on the side. Less work for you.

[Halo]

Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

[Manny]

women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing. Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.

[Contrarian]

Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.

[Guile]

Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.

good one! hahahaha

[Contrarian]

women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing. Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.

This is far TMI. 

The lady’s version of what to do is much better.

[Dogsoldier]

women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing. Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.

This is far TMI. 

The lady’s version of what to do is much better.

Have you heard about the vaginal mesh?
I think us blokes don’t really know/understand the effect pregnancy and childbirth has on a woman’s body.

[Halo]

Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.

I made clear in my original post that I have no interest in him as PM. My comment was about him as the sleazy individual he is.

We'll see if he is an effective PM.  I don't really care, either way.  Just commenting on his messy personal "morality", or rather, complete lack thereof.

[msmoby]

less stretchmarks

You mean fewer. Keep up that natural English you seek to teach Russians.

I'm very happy with the grammar I used .. including the word .natural; you used in context ..."natural, everyday English .." beging an example ..

Back on topic..

I see many British women go to seed right after having kids, so perhaps some of it is genetics?

I realy believe FSU with skin that is s.olive have genes that suffer less stetchmarks and the skin retains elasticity ... Breasts do not lose their shape ..  Most women who have had children  - the sructure around the nipple changes..

Perhaps FSU women can manage their figures better for some reason? I doubt my wife is in a minority of one by having both an excellent figure and no discernable signs of having given birth.

It is my experience that a significant minority DO retain a good bikini body

I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.

Here, we differ .. I do not think V or SC had acccess to 'fitness' centres ... life was harder - more walking  - more exercise ..that's about it

British women often couldn't find the nearest gym on a map, they eat McDonalds and drink Coke and then join Weight Watchers to tell each other how dreadful their husbands are because they ran off with a slim bird from Lithuania. They spend their free time Instagramming memes about how men should "accept them as they are" when that time would be better spent on an elliptical cross trainer.

My first wife was a UK size 6/8 ( US 2/4)  and shapely..   Buns out on the beach and jaws dropped...  During her pregancy her boday was ravaged and as much as she attended the gym and I bought her all sorts of potions and oils -  the 'evidence' of child birth only disappeared when pregnant, again ..  She wore one piece bathing costumes and had a real complex about the destruction of her form .. she was utterly depressed.. Sure, the gym and swimming made any guy think she had a body to die for - she got down down to a UK 6 again - but she was so upset by those stretch marks.. and no amount of encouragement / gym could fix 'em

I am convinced it's genetic ..

[Halo]

Have you heard about the vaginal mesh?
I think us blokes don’t really know/understand the effect pregnancy and childbirth has on a woman’s body.

Yup.  And that was my original point.  Your body is never exactly the same, even with exercise.  I won't even go into the hormonal changes that have side effects such as postpartum depression.

[andrewfi]

I have to say that in my experience, which is not limited to just one or two examples, I was quite surprised when, many years ago, I saw the differences between the women I knew from the UK and from Russia, Estonia, Ukraine and other counties in the region.

I had come to expect that stretch marks, blibble belly, and tissue paper tummy were normal after a woman gave birth. I came to know that this is not so. While I have come across women from the region with such issues I have not commonly seen it in women with just one sprog. I am not a geneticist or physician but I have eyes and a small sample to compare and there is a difference.

As to the other changes, these are not so easily seen but I do know that there are inevitable changes that women undergo as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

Basically, if one is looking at young mothers then there's not a lot of difference between Eastern Europe (and most of the countries considered as part of that region) and the USA, but when looking at women who had kids who are now grown then there's a significant difference.

Confirming empirical evidence: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/11/health/c-section-rates-study-parenting-without-borders-intl/index.html

 

[msmoby]

As to the other changes, these are not so easily seen but I do know that there are inevitable changes that women undergo as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

Basically, if one is looking at young mothers then there's not a lot of difference between Eastern Europe (and most of the countries considered as part of that region) and the USA, but when looking at women who had kids who are now grown then there's a significant difference.

Confirming empirical evidence: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/11/health/c-section-rates-study-parenting-without-borders-intl/index.html

My kids were both born of 'C-sections' and it would be a VERY close encounter to know ...

On 'other Eastern European women'.. not so long ago there was a brief chat about boob jobs and a Serbian lass mentioned she was envious of many RU women'd ability to recover much of  their breast elasticity ..

[Edited to remove insults]

[Manny]

I really believe FSU with skin that is s.olive have genes that suffer less stretchmarks and the skin retains elasticity ... Breasts do not lose their shape ..  Most women who have had children  - the structure around the nipple changes..

I am convinced it is genetic

I've mused about this in the past too. Wifey is one of those who tans amazingly quickly and never burns. I've always said she probably has a sprinkling of Kazakh or something in her genetic. We both did a 23andme test recently and she was 90 odd percent Russian and a few percent Balkan and Greek. So maybe the olive skin theory holds water.

[andrewfi]

Moby, go back and read what I wrote.

[Edited to remove insults]

[Halo]

One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

I had a C-section with my third.  Not my choice, he was in the birth canal but my labour wasn't progressing normally.  It turned out he was anterior, so he was not going to deliver otherwise (the OB only knew that after delivery).  My C-section scar is 4 inches long.  I don't go to the beach, but if I were a beach person, the scar would not be visible "on the beach". It's slightly smaller than my appendectomy scar, which I've had since I was five years old.

The US does more C-sections because of potential liability issues.  Also, some women want them, for a variety of reasons, and book them, although I don't really understand why a woman would choose to subject herself to a surgical procedure.  Recovery from a C-section is longer, and there are more risks than with vaginal births.  Furthermore, if the baby does enter the birth canal, it will not receive specific bacteria from the mother which colonize the infant intestine and stimulate the baby's immune system.  This may be why there is an explosion of asthma and allergies in children, both of which were virtually unheard of when I was growing up.