Zelensky's gamble to call snap parliamentary elections has paid off

[Contrarian]

Sure Pinocchio’s. 

Russia was also well-aware of how the Russian and pro-Russian militants it was heavily arming and financing were using civilians.  Such methods were, in fact, useful for Russian propaganda which made no mention of the fact that the militants were shelling Ukrainian positions from residential areas, shouting only if Ukrainian soldiers returned fire.


http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1559081415

even if you are right, a little thinking goes a long way.

pro russian guys werent military they were also civilians.

so the ukr army was shooting at its own ukr civilians (pro russia or not)

Nice try Mark. Putin and Russia own this.

There’s a mountain of evidence that Russian artillery was fired into Ukraine from Russia during Debaltseve. Russian tanks flooding in. Regular Russian troops and Special Forces. Russian officers and Russian military intelligence. Russia has financed this war and they have armed the troops.

If Putin manages to start WWIII once he loses he and Russian officers will face military tribunals just like the Germans did at Nuremberg.

In the meantime your dishonesty and anti-Ukrainian propaganda is boorish and disgusting. 

[d672]

 It seems some people tend to forget "minor" little details like this...Strelkov admits to starting the Donbass war

[AvHdB]

Russia absolutely did NOT disrupt Donbas. You probably were not keeping up when the thing kicked off, or prefer to use the fictionalised recall of your news/entertainment outlets, but the Russian government refused to allow the region to secede from Ukraine. The reason they gave, and it was valid then as now, is that there was inadequate support for secession within the populace of the region.

The people of Donbas did what they did for themselves and largely by themselves. It is Ukrainians dying in the region it is Ukrainians being shelled in their homes.

It is offensive that people like you, who can know better choose to not do so and contribute through feigned ignorance to the misery of millions of people.

Andrew, what sort of fantasy world do you inhabit?

The start of invasion in the East of Ukraine was due to a fight between ogliarchs over assets, one loyal to Kiev the other to Moscow, it spilled over to its present form with the a bit of gasoline supplied by the Kremlin.

Somewhere on RUA is a couple images of a tank battalion in Lugansk being blessed by a Russian patriarch, the tanks are T90's. They certainly did not come from any museum. Elsewhere are images of elite Russian paratroopers fighting for the airport in Donetsk. Perhaps the soldiers went to a Russian second hand clothing store and found some good fatigues? Than there is the attempt to seize control of Kharkov by the little green men. Thinking they had captured city hall they found themselves in control of the symphony hall, guess they wanted to hear some S. Prokofiev and A. Borodin.

Tell RUA who is supplying the munitions and weapons to the forces fighting in the East against the government in Kiev. Like Moby reality is a bit of a challenge for you.

[andrewfi]

That's bollocks, you know it, I am sure.

Why do this stuff?

What do you gain?

It is true that the oligarchy have been in conflict with each other, in Ukraine, for decades. They have ruined the country. But they were not why the people of Donbas protested against the coup. They were not why protesters in Odessa were massacred. They were not why the people were afraid of the coup government. Oligarchs did not stand in front of tanks sent from Kiev.

You know this, so why invent stories?

Take a moment to feel shame.

[Contrarian]

Russia absolutely did NOT disrupt Donbas. You probably were not keeping up when the thing kicked off, or prefer to use the fictionalised recall of your news/entertainment outlets, but the Russian government refused to allow the region to secede from Ukraine. The reason they gave, and it was valid then as now, is that there was inadequate support for secession within the populace of the region.

The people of Donbas did what they did for themselves and largely by themselves. It is Ukrainians dying in the region it is Ukrainians being shelled in their homes.

It is offensive that people like you, who can know better choose to not do so and contribute through feigned ignorance to the misery of millions of people.

Andrew, what sort of fantasy world do you inhabit?

The start of invasion in the East of Ukraine was due to a fight between ogliarchs over assets, one loyal to Kiev the other to Moscow, it spilled over to its present form with the a bit of gasoline supplied by the Kremlin.

Somewhere on RUA is a couple images of a tank battalion in Lugansk being blessed by a Russian patriarch, the tanks are T90's. They certainly did not come from any museum. Elsewhere are images of elite Russian paratroopers fighting for the airport in Donetsk. Perhaps the soldiers went to a Russian second hand clothing store and found some good fatigues? Than there is the attempt to seize control of Kharkov by the little green men. Thinking they had captured city hall they found themselves in control of the symphony hall, guess they wanted to hear some S. Prokofiev and A. Borodin.

Tell RUA who is supplying the munitions and weapons to the forces fighting in the East against the government in Kiev. Like Moby reality is a bit of a challenge for you.

 

Worse than Moby in this case.

[AvHdB]

That's bollocks, you know it, I am sure.

Why do this stuff?

What do you gain?

It is true that the oligarchy have been in conflict with each other, in Ukraine, for decades. They have ruined the country. But they were not why the people of Donbas protested against the coup. They were not why protesters in Odessa were massacred. They were not why the people were afraid of the coup government. Oligarchs did not stand in front of tanks sent from Kiev.

You know this, so why invent stories?

Take a moment to feel shame.

Andrew, while at times you are quite intelligent the evidence regarding the Donbass  points to a very different reality. Why not try to use your noodle a little critical thinking would go a long way.

It is embarrassing and saddening to read what you just wrote.

[msmoby]

Like Moby [said?]  reality is a bit of a challenge for you.[/size][/font]

That would be accurate

[Contrarian]

It is true that the oligarchy have been in conflict with each other, in Ukraine, for decades. They have ruined the country. But they were not why the people of Donbas protested against the coup. They were not why protesters in Odessa were massacred. They were not why the people were afraid of the coup government. Oligarchs did not stand in front of tanks sent from Kiev.

Andrew, while at times you are quite intelligent the evidence regarding the Donbass  points to a very different reality. Why not try to use your noodle a little critical thinking would go a long way.

It is embarrassing and saddening to read what you just wrote.

Tanks sent from where to where Andy?

That’s right, new Russian tanks sent from Russia into Ukraine during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine by the bully to the East.

Yet more clownish propaganda from Pinocchio the clown.

         

[Manny]

Because the Ukrainian military, who have um... Russian tanks, had bases in the region that they lost? Then those tanks belonged to the new governments?

Always easier to blame Russia of course.

And if Russia were to send tanks, why on earth would they send new ones? You'd send the old ones and keep the new ones. You do write some daft stuff, Cornfed.

[msmoby]

Because the Ukrainian military, who have um... Russian tanks, had bases in the region that they lost? Then those tanks belonged to the new governments?

Always easier to blame Russia of course.

And if Russia were to send tanks, why on earth would they send new ones? You'd send the old ones and keep the new ones. You do write some daft stuff, Cornfed.

I think you might like you read up on who had what tanks ..

Confed is not reknowned - to me - for his ability to filter fact from  dfiction - but he has you ( and andrewfi ) proper kippered up  as apologists without a clue ....

[Contrarian]

Because the Ukrainian military, who have um... Russian tanks, had bases in the region that they lost? Then those tanks belonged to the new governments?

Always easier to blame Russia of course.

And if Russia were to send tanks, why on earth would they send new ones? You'd send the old ones and keep the new ones. You do write some daft stuff, Confederate.

They sent newer T90 tanks which Ukraine never had. They also sent newer T72’s.

Why don’t you ask Russia yourself? You seem to have a direct line to the Dept. of Misinformation at the Kremlin. 

[Manny]

Why don’t you ask Russia yourself? You seem to have a direct line to the Dept. of Misinformation at the Kremlin. 

If you want misinformation, try the American media. You'll be familiar with the term 'Fake News'.

Same for Moby and the BBC and the Guardian he is so fond of.

Naturally, you and Moby will now become self professed tank experts. 

[Halo]

Because the Ukrainian military, who have um... Russian tanks, had bases in the region that they lost? Then those tanks belonged to the new governments?

There were no Ukrainian bases in that region, although there was a regional headquarters in Donetsk - leaders, not soldiers or equipment. 

There were about 165 tanks in all of Ukraine when Russia invaded, and most of them were in the process of being put into storage.  My information comes from Ukrainian sources in 2013, so pre the invasion.

[Contrarian]

Why don’t you ask Russia yourself? You seem to have a direct line to the Dept. of Misinformation at the Kremlin. 

If you want misinformation, try the American media. You'll be familiar with the term 'Fake News'.

Same for Moby and the BBC and the Guardian he is so fond of.

Naturally, you and Moby will now become self professed tank experts. 

Nice try. Now you think you can associate me with Moby to deflect.

Here’s a tank commander who defected from the Russian side.

TSN journalist Andriy Tsapliyenko who interviewed Driuk stated that a unique Russian T-72B3 main battle tank “upgraded to the level of T-90” which underwent testing in the Donbas and “seven other usual T-72’s” were destroyed by guerillas near the occupied city of Torez, after Driuk sent the documents to Ukraine proving that the newest Russian equipment was being transferred across the border into the Donbas.

After the alleged explosion, Driuk left the occupied territory but settled for the cooperation with Ukrainian counterintelligence only if her two children would also be transferred from Donetsk to free Ukraine, what was later done, according to the TSN story.

Now Svitlana is ready to testify in The Hague to some 30 Russian regular servicemen she knew as the ones involved in the fighting against Ukraine.


http://euromaidanpress.com/2019/03/07/russian-female-celebrity-tank-commander-defects-to-ukraine-leaks-details-on-russian-involvement-in-occupied-Donbas


More on Russian propaganda tricks:

According to Tsapliyenko, she also disclosed the algorithm of the rapid deployment of the Russian regular forces to the Donbas in case if the Kremlin orders it – every military unit formed in the occupied Donbas has prepared cover IDs for every Russian soldier to be deployed. The mass invasion would be disguised as mobilization of the local residents, every unit will triple its manpower. She claims that the total number of military personnel all across the Donbas can reach about 100,000 within a matter of hours.

[msmoby]

If you want misinformation, try the American media. You'll be familiar with the term 'Fake News'.

Same for Moby and the BBC and the Guardian he is so fond of.

Naturally, you and Moby will now become self professed tank experts. 

 

When in a hole - stop digging ..  phoning a friend will not help .. READ what Cornfed keeps telling you ..

[Manny]

when Russia invaded,

This lie is when I stopped reading.

This has been thrashed out endlessly here. Again, if Russia had invaded Ukraine - as they said themselves - Kiev would have fallen within 3 days.

Separatists, which some allege were supported in some way by Russia, is not an invasion. At least no more so than the US backed coup in Kiev that ousted the president was a US invasion. Same thing really in many respects...... you may think of it as a squabble over bits of Ukraine that the US lost. Like Vietnam. Oh, and Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, as that didn't end well either - like Ukraine. With Syria, Russia prevented a US invasion; and with North Korea, China prevented one.

Funny when the US loses - or as more recently, is prevented from invading or organising a coup - it's always someone else's fault. Nowadays it's Russia and China. Hurrah for the multipolar world.

The US isnt invading the world or overthrowing governments at will anymore. Get over it people. Quit bitching. Physician, heal thyself. Russia will keep you lot out of Venezuela too. Diddums.

[msmoby]

This lie is when I stopped reading.

This has been thrashed out endlessly here. Again, if Russia had invaded Ukraine - as they said themselves - Kiev would have fallen within 3 days.

But they'd have never kept it .. / it would have been hard to control .. as SO many people wouldn't WANT them..

Separatists, which some allege were supported in some way by Russia, is not an invasion

'Sure' .. You can spin this how you like, but in Crimea ..the Russian military militarily took over .. In Donbas the GRU helped break into the armouries and kicked off violence and the murders of electe representatives that got in the way..

. At least no more so than the US backed coup in Kiev that ousted the president was a US invasion.

So, US troops appeared on the streets ? .....  Yanu' RAN AWAY from justice .. spirited away by ... GRU ...

Same thing really in many respects......

Not in the slightest.. given RF law makes  the promotion of separatism a criminal offence ..

you may think of it as a squabble over bits of Ukraine that the US lost.

Hardly, the sqabble' has cost thousands of lives - mainly those lost when Russia sent her boys in to save Donetsk and Lughansk from surrender ..

Like Vietnam. Oh, and Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, as that didn't end well either - like Ukraine. With Syria, Russia prevented a US invasion; and with North Korea, China prevented one.

Syria.. The Kremlin has ensured a bloody civil war - with the dictator 'winning'   ..Iraq is work in progress after the US removed Saddam and left a vacuum .. but the Kurds are happy, as long as TR stays out..

Funny when the US loses - or as more recently, is prevented from invading or organising a coup - it's always someone else's fault. Nowadays it's Russia and China. Hurrah for the multipolar world.

In the case of Ukraine - it IS mostly the Kremlin's doing - to ensure Ukraine 'pays' for daring to seek to look westwards...

In the case of Syria - China an RU made sure here was no - no fly zone.. though spineless UK MPs didn't help Cameron ..

The US isnt invading the world or overthrowing governments at will anymore. Get over it people. Quit bitching. Physician, heal thyself. Russia will keep you lot out of Venezuela too. Diddums.

VVP is trying to reclaim territory lost in the breaku of the SU.. when Moscow ( Imperial / Soviet ) Russified  swathes of territory - moving out the indiginous people - or watering down locals..

Mostly all he's achieved in frozen conflicts and driving neighbours away - seking NATO membership


Now, that's enough of you obsfuscation ..

You blew it re the tanks ..

[dcguyusa]

Russia will keep you lot out of Venezuela too.

There are other factors that may deter any invasion attempt, but Russia will certainly not be a factor to be considered.

[Contrarian]

when Russia invaded,

This lie is when I stopped reading.

This has been thrashed out endlessly here. Again, if Russia had invaded Ukraine - as they said themselves - Kiev would have fallen within 3 days.

Separatists, which some allege were supported in some way by Russia, is not an invasion. At least no more so than the US backed coup in Kiev that ousted the president was a US invasion. Same thing really in many respects...... you may think of it as a squabble over bits of Ukraine that the US lost. Like Vietnam. Oh, and Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, as that didn't end well either - like Ukraine. With Syria, Russia prevented a US invasion; and with North Korea, China prevented one.

Funny when the US loses - or as more recently, is prevented from invading or organising a coup - it's always someone else's fault. Nowadays it's Russia and China. Hurrah for the multipolar world.

The US isnt invading the world or overthrowing governments at will anymore. Get over it people. Quit bitching. Physician, heal thyself.

Ah yes, the USA handed out some cookies. Let’s go with that one, shall we?

Yes the USA handed out some cookies. Since then we have also given emergency battlefield training to Ukrainian soldiers and some defensive anti-tank weapons.

Let’s repeat the first part one more time.

The USA handed out some delicious cookies.

Russia handed out some heavy artillery, some tanks and some sniper bullets.

Now guess who’s winning?

Guess who’s scored a victory for the hearts and minds of Ukrainians?

That’s right, the USA and the West have.

And who has lost the hearts and minds of Ukrainians?

That’s right, it’s a resounding defeat for Russia.

Don’t take my word for it, ask a few thousand Ukrainians what they think of Mr. Putin and Russian actions against Ukraine.

They know what they’re talking about. Misinformation won’t work on them.

[Manny]

Russia will keep you lot out of Venezuela too.

There are other factors that may deter any invasion attempt, but Russia will certainly not be a factor to be considered.

Here's the bit you may have missed:

And the US president ramped up the pressure by refusing to rule out military action.

Mr Ryabkov said: “We warn against that.

“We consider that would be a catastrophic scenario that would shake the foundations of the development model which we see in Latin America.

“Venezuela is friendly to us and is our strategic partner. We have supported them and will support them."

One of many sources

[Contrarian]

The Surkov Leaks

http://euromaidanpress.com/2019/07/16/surkov-leaks-report-on-russias-hybrid-war-in-ukraine-published-at-rusi-institute/

[dcguyusa]

Russia will keep you lot out of Venezuela too.

There are other factors that may deter any invasion attempt, but Russia will certainly not be a factor to be considered.

Here's the bit you may have missed:

And the US president ramped up the pressure by refusing to rule out military action.

Mr Ryabkov said: “We warn against that.

“We consider that would be a catastrophic scenario that would shake the foundations of the development model which we see in Latin America.

“Venezuela is friendly to us and is our strategic partner. We have supported them and will support them."

One of many sources

There were previous reports of Russian "advisors" being in the country.  Yep, the groups with similar outlooks tend to "support" each other.  Notice that the current reported mass protests going on in the world appear to be in China, Russia, and Venezuela.   

[redroo]

?On signing Ukraine’s new presidential impeachment law, President Zelenskiy invited all Ukrainians to participate in a ‘flash mob’ for honesty by calling the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine hotline to report specific cases of bribery and corruption. “If they demand a bribe from you, offer a kickback or some other corruption scheme, please do not be silent,” he says in a Facebook video clip. “There is no need to write on social networks “everything is lost”... Here is the phone 0 800 503 200. This is the NABU hotline. Call and inform. And law enforcement agencies will respond and punish.”

[redroo]

Here's hoping the population take him at his word and make the calls or posts.

Hard to imagine a similar call from Putin, just saying.....

[andrewfi]

Just saying...
But the writer of the post above is probably unaware of what is happening in Russia. If he were he'd have known that his post was kinda wide of the mark.
Just saying...

Lets see if calls in Ukraine serve the purpose as they have been doing in Russia.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Russian+corruption+hotline