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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134

Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'


"A man who is critically ill after being exposed to an unknown substance in Wiltshire is a Russian national convicted of spying for Britain, the BBC understands.

Sergei Skripal, who is 66, was granted refuge in the UK following a "spy swap" between the US and Russia in 2010.

Police declared a major incident on Sunday after a man and a woman were reported ill at a shopping centre in Salisbury.

The substance has not been identified.

Police are investigating whether a crime has been committed, following the incident which began at 16:15 GMT on Sunday at the Maltings shopping centre in central Salisbury.

Skripal, who is a retired Russian military intelligence colonel, was jailed for 13 years in 2006 for spying for Britain."
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Ex-Russian double agent Skripal & daughter were exposed to nerve agent, police confirm https://www.rt.com/uk/420740-russia-spy-wiltshire-agent/

Nerve agents? A Policeman in a serious condition?

Not your everyday poisoning

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"Multiple people have been treated, around 21 people, including the man and woman found on the bench,"

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Investigators have identified the nerve agent used on the pair, but are not making it public at this point.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/08/uk-officials-say-21-people-treated-in-ex-russian-spy-poisoning.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/nerve-agent-used-to-poison-sergei-skripal-was-extremely-rare-2018-3
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nerve-agents-deadliest-chemical-weapons-194325408.html

Anyone who plays around with WMD material is not going to worry about collateral damages.   :evilgrin0002:
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Ex-Russian double agent Skripal & daughter were exposed to nerve agent, police confirm https://www.rt.com/uk/420740-russia-spy-wiltshire-agent/

Nerve agents? A Policeman in a serious condition?

Not your everyday poisoning
Right, but proving it will be another matter. Just like proving who killed Litvinenko. Polonium is not something your average day killer/terrorist/etc. can acquire. It almost screams "state kill" from the start, yet noone proved it was russia yet.
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Ex-Russian double agent Skripal & daughter were exposed to nerve agent, police confirm https://www.rt.com/uk/420740-russia-spy-wiltshire-agent/

Nerve agents? A Policeman in a serious condition?

Not your everyday poisoning
Right, but proving it will be another matter. Just like proving who killed Litvinenko. Polonium is not something your average day killer/terrorist/etc. can acquire. It almost screams "state kill" from the start, yet noone proved it was russia yet.

I read in the papers yesterday (don't know which one as I read them all when I've time), An ex MI5 boss stated that it was most unlikely that Russia was involved, and that the whole thing stinks of a set up to blame Russia...
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Right, but proving it will be another matter. Just like proving who killed Litvinenko. Polonium is not something your average day killer/terrorist/etc. can acquire. It almost screams "state kill" from the start, yet noone proved it was russia yet.

'Sure'

It wasn't a serving member of the Duma..

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I read in the papers yesterday (don't know which one as I read them all when I've time), An ex MI5 boss stated that it was most unlikely that Russia was involved, and that the whole thing stinks of a set up to blame Russia...

That's one theory - but what would be the point? - it's not exactly like UK - RU relations are 'great' and what good does blaming the Kremlin do - other than proving HMG are powerless to prevent such attacks?

Sergey Larov is telling us in Britain that's it's hysterical propaganda ... this isn't Russia ... Maskirovka isn't something the UK are very good at.



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OMG..

No wonder 'we're hysterical' ..


Russian Pervy Kanal News anchor ..

http://www.independent.co.uk/video/News/sergei-skripal-russian-state-tv-anchor-kirill-kleimenov-rare-traitors-live-old-age-a8246666.html


"it is 'rare that traitors live to old age'

Does that apply to 'patriots', too ? ;)
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Ex-Russian double agent Skripal & daughter were exposed to nerve agent, police confirm https://www.rt.com/uk/420740-russia-spy-wiltshire-agent/

Nerve agents? A Policeman in a serious condition?

Not your everyday poisoning
Right, but proving it will be another matter. Just like proving who killed Litvinenko. Polonium is not something your average day killer/terrorist/etc. can acquire. It almost screams "state kill" from the start, yet noone proved it was russia yet.

I read in the papers yesterday (don't know which one as I read them all when I've time), An ex MI5 boss stated that it was most unlikely that Russia was involved, and that the whole thing stinks of a set up to blame Russia...

As far fetched as that sounds, you could well be right. It's reasonable to ask, why would Russia do something so obvious in the UK, that would lead to an enquiry?

A bit like why would Assad use chemical weapons on his own people, having just been told what would happen if we used chemical weapons on his own people.

I doubt the Russian government or Assad are stupid.

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What we seem to be witnessing is a repeat of a modus operandum of the UK in respect of Russia that we have seen before. If the killing of former 'intelligence operative' turncoats was a policy for Russia then, of course, we would have seen it in other places - we haven't.

Does it make sense for Russia to have one policy for turncoats living in the UK and another for everywhere else in the world?

Does it make sense for Russia to be killing off 'sensitive' targets in the UK, or anywhere else, at this time?

Occam's Razor suggests that whatever happened in the UK it is more likely to be about the UK than Russia.
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What we seem to be witnessing is a repeat of a modus operandum of the UK in respect of Russia that we have seen before. If the killing of former 'intelligence operative' turncoats was a policy for Russia then, of course, we would have seen it in other places - we haven't.

Does it make sense for Russia to have one policy for turncoats living in the UK and another for everywhere else in the world?

Does it make sense for Russia to be killing off 'sensitive' targets in the UK, or anywhere else, at this time?

Occam's Razor suggests that whatever happened in the UK it is more likely to be about the UK than Russia.

I’m no Putin fan but these modus operandi do seem a bit Dr. Evil ish.

On the other hand Putin is a wiley fox, certainly a million times brainier than thicko Trump, so double bluff? He’s ruthless enough that’s for sure.

I think not though...


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....certainly a million times brainier than thicko Trump.....


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Dr Evilish, yes.

Objectively, it makes no sense for any sensible Russian, in a position to do so, to order the assassination of anyone sensitive at this time.

The only way that such a scenario works is if the authorization came from somebody who was an opponent of the current government and state of Russia and that is pretty circular as it would also mean that such a person was actually an ally of the UK government.
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I doubt the Russian government or Assad are stupid.

History is replete with errors, mistakes, blunders, foolish actions.  History always repeats itself.

So who killed Kim Jong Un's half-brother?  Obviously the CIA to foment a nuclear war with the DPRK.  (:)
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From a historical standpoint one can look at the assassination of Trotsky by Stalin.

This happened elsewhere and it certainly had nothing to do with Mexico.
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A chemical weapons attack on British soil, with a high chance of collateral casualties outside the ‘intended target’, in full view of the public.

It’s just too reduculous. If they wanted the bloke dead, he’d have disappeared or died with pin point precision.

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A chemical weapons attack on British soil, with a high chance of collateral casualties outside the ‘intended target’, in full view of the public.

It’s just too reduculous. If they wanted the bloke dead, he’d have disappeared or died with pin point precision.
Yep, but of course new sanctions against Russia over this 'incident' are being prepared by the UK.

Right, tried, convicted and found guilty without a shred of evidence it was Russia.
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A chemical weapons attack on British soil, with a high chance of collateral casualties outside the ‘intended target’, in full view of the public.

It’s just too reduculous. If they wanted the bloke dead, he’d have disappeared or died with pin point precision.
Yep, but of course new sanctions against Russia over this 'incident' are being prepared by the UK.

Right, tried, convicted and found guilty without a shred of evidence it was Russia.

Exactly that. We can't prove it wasn't Russia but there's no proof it was. But lets just ramp up the hostility and add more sanctions anyway.

I went for a pint after work last night and I heard randoms talking about Russia doing this and Russia doing that. It's sad to see the state of society and shows you the power of the media.

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Some suggest it's a message to expats...from Moscow

If so McMafia, was closer to fact than fiction
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Well, it's all kicked off in the UK - with the PM stating on the evidence so far - the poison used was a Russian designed nerve agent - 'Novichok' ( New kind ?)   

In combination with RU state-owned media suggesting the 'UK isn't a safe place for traitors' it does rather point to a hit that used the sort of stuff only states control.

The UK isn't well-known for Maskirovka ( deception ) - nor bumping off / taking out opposition....   Moscow does seem  to have a large number of unfortunate events befalling opposition folk abroad and even has legislation to allow retribution

On a personal front, I don't want RU - UK visas to be affected for normal folks 

Two sides of the coin:
UK.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880


Russia: https://www.rt.com/news/421126-lavrov-response-uk-skripal/


I hardly think Mrs May is 'under pressure' to blame the Kremlin... if the boot was on the other foot - and ( say ) Philby had been killed by a UK brand of nerve agent....

IF Moscow had jumped in and offered help - instead of the state run media talking about traitors 'not growing old' - they'd look a LOT less 'guilty'
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“It came from Russia,” Tillerson said, according to the Associated Press. “I cannot understand why anyone would take such an action. But this is a substance that is known to us and does not exist widely.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-ousts-tillerson-will-replace-him-as-secretary-of-state-with-cia-chief-pompeo/ar-BBKaaqF?li=BBnb7Kz

Why do such a thing?  To test the biological weapon on a small scale to see its effect and to how to deploy it when you want a higher kill ratio.   :evilgrin0002:
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Well, it's all kicked off in the UK - with the PM stating on the evidence so far - the poison used was a Russian designed nerve agent - 'Novichok' ( New kind ?)   

In combination with RU state-owned media suggesting the 'UK isn't a safe place for traitors' it does rather point to a hit that used the sort of stuff only states control.

The UK isn't well-known for Maskirovka ( deception ) - nor bumping off / taking out opposition....   Moscow does seem  to have a large number of unfortunate events befalling opposition folk abroad and even has legislation to allow retribution

On a personal front, I don't want RU - UK visas to be affected for normal folks 

Two sides of the coin:
UK.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880


Russia: https://www.rt.com/news/421126-lavrov-response-uk-skripal/


I hardly think Mrs May is 'under pressure' to blame the Kremlin... if the boot was on the other foot - and ( say ) Philby had been killed by a UK brand of nerve agent....

IF Moscow had jumped in and offered help - instead of the state run media talking about traitors 'not growing old' - they'd look a LOT less 'guilty'

Remember Georgei Markov, the Bulgarian bumped off by some secret service on a London Bridge with some poison on the end of an umbrella? There is past history of the Soviet Bloc doing people with overly complicated methods.

I believe, it was Mr Putin, in the pub, in Salisbury with the poison.....
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In the meantime, the England Football Team prepare for the World Cup this year in Russia....

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He said: "It's a brazen attack. Putin thinks he can use everything to kill enemies. They don't tolerate any opponents.

"They should be punished. It's an open demonstration of this Russian terrorism.

"The Russian government is telling people who are thinking about revealing more secrets that they can expect the same fate."
http://www.businessinsider.com/novichok-scientist-vil-mirzayanov-describes-nerve-agent-used-on-sergei-skripal-2018-3?r=UK&IR=T

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-threatens-attack-us-forces-if-trump-strikes-syria-again-843128

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-russia-demands-samples-nerve-agent-103334655.html

Who could be behind this?  Maybe ISIS to bring about a nuclear war between west and east?  But, Putin said that he would destroy the world if Russia is attacked, so ISIS must walk a fine line.  But, they still have the 72 virgins in the afterlife, so a destroyed world may not be a bad thing.   :chuckle:

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The incident was timed to harm Putin in Sunday's election - 'this is the purpose of this provocation', he said

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5492781/Scientist-reveals-horror-lethal-nerve-agent-Novichok.html


Ahh, here we have the real reason.  To meddle in Russia's upcoming election.  A nuclear war is the only thing to stop a Putin victory.   :chuckle:
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