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The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« on: February 03, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »
A grand parade was held in Volgograd: hundreds of servicemen, dozens of vehicles, and for the first time aviation, all in honor of the 75th anniversary of the landmark victory in one of the most important and decisive battles of the entire Great Patriotic War - the Battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-02-02/340429-volgograd_otmechaet_75_letie_pobedy_v_stalingradskoy_bitve


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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 11:51:12 AM »
A grand parade was held in Volgograd: hundreds of servicemen, dozens of vehicles, and for the first time aviation, all in honor of the 75th anniversary of the landmark victory in one of the most important and decisive battles of the entire Great Patriotic War - the Battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-02-02/340429-volgograd_otmechaet_75_letie_pobedy_v_stalingradskoy_bitve

https://youtu.be/E7uqbfjNng8

A great victory for the Soviet people and a crushing defeat for Germany. The lesson of history is to honor pacts made and do not invade other countries!
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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 02:01:03 PM »
A grand parade was held in Volgograd: hundreds of servicemen, dozens of vehicles, and for the first time aviation, all in honor of the 75th anniversary of the landmark victory in one of the most important and decisive battles of the entire Great Patriotic War - the Battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-02-02/340429-volgograd_otmechaet_75_letie_pobedy_v_stalingradskoy_bitve

https://youtu.be/E7uqbfjNng8

A great victory for the Soviet people and a crushing defeat for Germany. The lesson of history is to honor pacts made and do not invade other countries!

You are not, by any chance referring to the US of A?  :gousa:


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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 03:48:55 PM »
A grand parade was held in Volgograd: hundreds of servicemen, dozens of vehicles, and for the first time aviation, all in honor of the 75th anniversary of the landmark victory in one of the most important and decisive battles of the entire Great Patriotic War - the Battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-02-02/340429-volgograd_otmechaet_75_letie_pobedy_v_stalingradskoy_bitve

https://youtu.be/E7uqbfjNng8

A great victory for the Soviet people and a crushing defeat for Germany. The lesson of history is to honor pacts made and do not invade other countries!

You are not, by any chance referring to the US of A?  :gousa:

No, I was referring to WWII Germany. After all that is a big part of what the thread is about.

Although I see you never miss an opportunity to attempt to smear the USA!  :coffeeread:
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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 09:30:55 PM »
A grand parade was held in Volgograd: hundreds of servicemen, dozens of vehicles, and for the first time aviation, all in honor of the 75th anniversary of the landmark victory in one of the most important and decisive battles of the entire Great Patriotic War - the Battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2018-02-02/340429-volgograd_otmechaet_75_letie_pobedy_v_stalingradskoy_bitve

https://youtu.be/E7uqbfjNng8

Very few of those who fought during this time are still with us. We should remember what they achieved and those of there comrades who died.

As for commitments and pacts the United States only became involved in the 2nd World War less than a year before the battle of 'Stalingrad' began. Further the United States honoured its pacts and upon the conclusion of the 2WW did not enslave and subjugate large areas of Central and Eastern Europe.
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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 11:10:50 PM »
Thank you, Annushka

For those who haven't been, the museum dedicated to the siege and Mamayev Kurgan - memorial and tomb of the unknown soldier are well worth visiting



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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory against Germany
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 07:07:12 AM »
USA officially REWROTE history for V-day IGNORING
Soviet Union's role in defeating Nazism




Soviet soldiers pose in front of the Reichstag building, days after the Battle of Berlin

The US is undertaking a major revision of World War II history, deliberately minimizing the contribution of the Soviet Union to the victory over Nazism, while painting countries that fought alongside Germany as Russian victims.

This is no oversight or simple historical illiteracy. It is part and parcel of a mobilization that is taking place in the United States today for a new, and more serious, confrontation with Russia.

On May 7, to mark the 75th anniversary of VE-Day, the US government issued two extraordinary statements. The first boasted as its authors US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and the foreign ministers of Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Bizarrely, the statement had nothing to do with the liberation of Europe from Nazism, though perhaps less surprisingly, considering that both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary actually started the war on the side of the Axis.

The statement veered off immediately into a familiar Cold War diatribe:

“While May 1945 brought the end of the Second World War in Europe, it did not bring freedom to all of Europe. The central and eastern part of the continent remained under the rule of communist regimes for almost 50 years. The Baltic States were illegally occupied and annexed, and the iron grip over the other captive nations was enforced by the Soviet Union using overwhelming military force, repression, and ideological control.”

The statement was remarkable for a number of reasons. There was no mention of the staggering losses suffered by the Soviet Union in the war against Nazi Germany, or even any acknowledgment of the Soviet contribution to the victory in World War II.

There was no mention of the fact that it was the Red Army that liberated every country that co-signed this statement with the United States. Most troubling of all was the menacing tone of the statement’s conclusion:

“Today, we are working together toward a strong and free Europe, where human rights, democracy and the rule of law prevail. The future should be based on the facts of history and justice for the victims of totalitarian regimes. We are ready for dialogue with all those interested in pursuing these principles. Manipulating the historical events that led to the Second World War and to the division of Europe in the aftermath of the war constitutes a regrettable effort to falsify history.”

This was a call to arms, a mobilization for a new Cold War, not a celebration of a joint victory.

Then, on May 8, it was the turn of the White House. It sent out a tweet in which President Trump declared, “On this day in 1945, America and Great Britain had victory over the Nazis.”

So, there it was: America and Great Britain jointly defeated Nazi Germany, without any contribution from the Soviet Union.



Such a statement is an affront to history and to humanity. The USSR was central to the victory over Nazism. Consider the record: for three years, from June 22, 1941, to June 6, 1944, the USSR fought Nazi Germany almost single-handedly. No one before the Red Army had been able to defeat the seemingly invincible Wehrmacht. After stopping the Germans just outside the gates of Moscow in December 1941, the Red Army went on to score one extraordinary victory after another. The battles of Stalingrad, Kursk, Kharkov, Belgorod, Smolensk, Dnieper, Kiev, Crimea among many others, including the lifting of the siege of Leningrad, inflicted devastating defeats on the German armed forces.

So catastrophic were these defeats that, in the summer of 1944, when the Red Army had moved outside of the borders of the USSR to take the war into Germany itself, the Wehrmacht was but a pale shadow of the army that had conquered most of continental Europe with such ease from 1939 to 1941. It was in retreat everywhere, as the Red Army pushed on not only into Berlin, but into the Nazi-occupied countries: Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary,


Residents of Prague welcome Soviet soldiers in May 1945

When the United Kingdom, the United States and Canada launched their invasion of Europe, they were facing a German military machine that had already been defeated. Out of some 300 divisions, the Germans deployed only 58 in France, Belgium and the Netherlands, in anticipation of the forthcoming invasion.

The simple truth is that, had the Wehrmacht not already been largely destroyed – and engaging in bitter battles with the Red Army on numerous fronts in the east – the D-Day landings could not have taken place. There would have been no liberation of Europe. Trump’s “America and Great Britain” were successful only because the Red Army had already done most of the heavy lifting.

Serious historians, of course, acknowledge that it was the fight between the USSR and Nazi Germany that decided the outcome of World War II. In ‘Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War’, historian Chris Bellamy writes that, during the fighting on the Eastern Front, “the greater part of the land and associated air forces of Nazi Germany and its Axis partners were ultimately destroyed by the Soviet Union.”

Soviet heavy lifting came at an extraordinarily steep price. The staggering numbers tell their own tale. Soviet military deaths are estimated to be around 8.7 million, but Soviet civilian deaths caused by famine, disease and war crimes are somewhere in the order of 19 million. Contrast those numbers with the American figures: the US suffered 552,117 casualties in the European theater of operations in the period between June 1944 and May 8, 1945. From that number, 104,812 were killed in action, according to the US Department of Defense.

The total US military casualties in all theaters of war are estimated to be 407, 300. The total UK military casualties are estimated to be 383,700.

It is notable that Russian leaders never seek to belittle the contribution of their allies to the joint war effort. Not so the leaders of the US and the UK.

Their attitude toward Russia’s sacrifices has undergone a dramatic change. Contrast Trump and Pompeo’s flippant comments with those of President John F Kennedy in his famous American University commencement address in June 1963:

“No nation in the history of battle ever suffered more than the Soviet Union suffered in the course of the Second World War. At least 20 million lost their lives. Countless millions of homes and farms were burned or sacked. A third of the nation’s territory, including nearly two-thirds of its industrial base, was turned into a wasteland – a loss equivalent to the devastation of this country east of Chicago.”



President Richard Nixon echoed similar sentiments during his televised address to the Soviet people in May 1972.

Kennedy and Nixon both sought a working relationship with the Soviet Union, and understood that, given the horrific experience of World War II, no one in their right mind would want another war. Today’s Washington is a very different place. It is filled with people itching for war. And belittling, dehumanizing and disrespecting the Russian people is the best way to lay the groundwork for it.


George Szamuely
is a senior research fellow at Global Policy Institute (London) and author of Bombs for Peace: NATO's Humanitarian War on Yugoslavia.

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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory against Germany
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 07:32:07 AM »
Moscow promises Washington a ‘SERIOUS TALK’ about its V-Day message that omits Soviet Union’s role in defeating Nazis



Allied flags on display at the Immortal Regiment march in Moscow on 9 May 2019.

Moscow won’t fail to take note of the White House decision to completely exclude the Soviet Union from its message marking Victory in Europe Day, the Foreign Ministry said, calling the act a “distortion” of World War II history.

The US officials have found neither the courage nor the desire to … do justice to the indisputable role of the Red Army and of the Soviet people, and to the enormous sacrifices they made in the name of humanity,” Russia’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement. It added that ignoring the historical facts due to current political likes or dislikes was unthinkable.

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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory against Germany
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 10:43:58 PM »
Ignoring the Russian war effort and the sacrifice of so many lives in the defeat of Nazism was wrong.

I suspect that the WH announcement was more an omission than an intentional slight - although had it been included, the Dems would have no doubt shrieked, "SEE!  HE'S IN BED WITH THE RUSSIANS AGAIN!" - however, be it also remembered that the Sovs seem to have thought that they defeated Germany all by they little selves.

They did not.

I call as my first witness, General Zhukov:

"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war.  We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. We didn’t have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn’t have had anything to pull our artillery with."

- Genuine Bad Ass Georgy Zhukov.


"Without American [production, the Allies] never could have won the war.”

- The Official Master Blaster, Joseph Stalin

So "convenience of memory" goes both ways.

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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory against Germany
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 01:30:30 AM »
Ignoring the Russian war effort and the sacrifice of so many lives in the defeat of Nazism was wrong.

I call as my first witness, General Zhukov:

"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war.  We didn't have explosives, gunpowder. We didn't have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn't have had anything to pull our artillery with."

- Genuine Bad Ass Georgy Zhukov.

"Without American [production, the Allies] never could have won the war.%u201D

- The Official Master Blaster, Joseph Stalin


So "convenience of memory" goes both ways.

B/B

Of course I agree with you that any objective person with little effort, if he/she doesn't know already  can find out the truth regarding the recent history.

We mustn't  forget that it's an election Year for USA and also that the Lease Back agreements
have been paid in full by the UK and also from the USSR/RUSSIA in full.

Stalin was right and honest in his comments!

The truth is that US joined the war in Europe in the middle of 1943 and while you were making the difficult preparations.... your boys had a great time in the UK with the British women's hospitality!  :nod: ;D


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Re: The 75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad.
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 02:59:35 AM »
Wiz,

The US officially entered the War in Dec'41 but many, many guys enlisted in Eurupe, before and even before lease lend, the USA was supplying raw material and food produce.

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