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How to say in Ukrainian...
« on: July 09, 2017, 01:27:41 PM »
Hello. I hope I can find here Ukrainian people.

I would want to know, how to write in ua, expression Have fun/ enjoy

I don't trust translators online, each one saying different thing, and I just can't get it wrong.

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 02:10:50 PM »
Hello is understood in every language.

As for Ukrainians, well some here are exactly that, other have partners from Ukraine and some have never ever been there. So be prepared for a variety of answers.

Curious do you have short term plans to travel to the Borderlands?
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2017, 03:23:17 PM »
seems that pозважайся is more of what you'd say to a kid at water park (развлекайся in russian),

whereas приємного времяпровежденія seems quite formal

and

Бажаю приємного відпочинку (ru. Желаю приятного отдыха) could be too informal.  :biggrin:

I've checked couple of sources, but obviously i speak Russian, not Ukrainian. Hope some native speaker will be of more help. (I am interested to learn myself.)
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 04:02:38 PM »
Curious do you have short term plans to travel to the Borderlands?

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian
Ukraine means land with many borders in Ukrainian.
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Ukraine borders seven countries: Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania,
Moldova, Russia, and Belaru

Some people use the first definition to explain that it belongs
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 05:03:23 PM »

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian


It doesn't  :laugh:

How do you guys come up with this stuff?  ;D

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 06:10:12 PM »

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian


It doesn't  :laugh:

How do you guys come up with this stuff?  ;D

OK lets hear your theory what Ukraine means.  :popcorn:


NB: I responded to the initial question to say hello in ua (Ukraine). In the Netherlands one would say gezellig for a good time, not sure for an equivalent, I think in Ireland they would say good 'krack'.
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 06:23:17 PM »

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian


It doesn't  :laugh:

How do you guys come up with this stuff?  ;D

OK lets hear your theory what Ukraine means.  :popcorn:

Theory? It's my language, silly.  :party0011:

There is no Russian word Ukraine simply because Russians don't use Latin alphabet. There is a Russian word Украина, which meant "название союзной республики (УССР), входящей в состав СССР" (the name of a Soviet Socialist Republic) during the USSR times. Now, after the dissolution of the USSR, it means the name of the respective country. There is no other word with the same spelling but a different meaning.

Borderlands is "пограничные земли" in Russian. If you can't read Cyrillic, count the number of letters and compare  :)

Thanks for playing though. :)

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 06:34:18 PM »

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian


It doesn't  :laugh:

How do you guys come up with this stuff?  ;D

OK lets hear your theory what Ukraine means.  :popcorn:

Theory? It's my language, silly.  :party0011:

There is no Russian word Ukraine because Russians don't use Latin alphabet. There is a Russian word Украина, which meant "название союзной республики (УССР), входящей в состав СССР" (the name of a Soviet Socialist Republic) during the USSR times. Now, after the dissolution of the USSR, it means the name of the respective country. There is no other word with the same spelling but a different meaning.

Borderlands is "пограничные земли" in Russian. If you can't read Cyrillic, count the number of letters and compare  :)

Thanks for playing though. :)

Curious how old are you?

In maps dating back a number of centuries the region considered Ukraine in Latin, German and French is referred to Ukraine. On one map it is noted as the borderlands between what is now Russia and present day Poland/Slovakia (in French) are the Russian borderlands.  I have always assumed this meant region between the Slavic and Germanic/Frank regions. But this is not quite true as most of this region present day Poland had a Norse or Varangian background.
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 06:39:49 PM »


Curious how old are you?

In maps dating back a number of centuries

I assure you that I am not that old.

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2017, 06:42:22 PM »


Curious how old are you?

In maps dating back a number of centuries

I assure you that I am not that old.

For that you can be grateful.

So in your opinion what does Ukraine mean or where does the word come from?
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 06:44:51 PM »

Ukraine means borderlands in Russian


It doesn't  :laugh:

How do you guys come up with this stuff?  ;D

OK lets hear your theory what Ukraine means.  :popcorn:


NB: I responded to the initial question to say hello in ua (Ukraine). In the Netherlands one would say gezellig for a good time, not sure for an equivalent, I think in Ireland they would say good 'krack'.

It’s ‘craic’ btw!! In Denmark it’s ‘hygge ‘..

I think we’re talking about etymology here, I read the Ukraine stems from U krai - something like ‘at the edge’ so at the border, borderlands is reasonable.


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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 06:49:56 PM »


Curious how old are you?

In maps dating back a number of centuries

I assure you that I am not that old.

For that you can be grateful.

So in your opinion what does Ukraine mean or where does the word come from?

I don't know where the word comes from, I am not an etymologist. I can use my imagination and make things up, but I am old enough not to do it. I know what it means in modern Russian. It means one and only one thing which I already explained.

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 06:57:36 PM »


Curious how old are you?

In maps dating back a number of centuries

I assure you that I am not that old.

For that you can be grateful.

So in your opinion what does Ukraine mean or where does the word come from?

I don't know where the word comes from, I am not an etymologist. I can use my imagination and make things up, but I am old enough not to do it. I know what it means in modern Russian. It means one and only one thing which I already explained.

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?

The reference to Ukraine predates the communist period of Ukraine.
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2017, 06:59:19 PM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2017, 07:03:06 PM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

I hope you will continue to post on RUA while I may not agree, I can respect your opinions.
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2017, 07:05:33 PM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

I hope you will continue to post on RUA while I may not agree, I can respect your opinions.

I rarely post here but thank you  :)

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2017, 07:18:28 PM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

I hope you will continue to post on RUA while I may not agree, I can respect your opinions.

I rarely post here but thank you  :)

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2017, 12:15:26 AM »

Would you care why you do not post frequently? Members like me; Other interests: Boring topics:

"Would you care to explain why you do not post frequently?"

(this actually makes sense now, in the English language)

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2017, 01:21:44 AM »

I think we’re talking about etymology here, I read the Ukraine stems from U krai - something like ‘at the edge’ so at the border, borderlands is reasonable.


Seems you are right:
Согласно основной версии, распространённой в академической среде (в том числе и самой Украины), название «Украина» происходит от древнерусского слова «оукраина» — приграничная область, земля у края княжества (тогда как слово «окраина» имело значение территории по краям всего княжества)[1]). Слово «украина» изначально применялось к разным приграничным землям Киевской Руси и русских княжеств. В этом значении этимология слова Украина рассматривается у российских[2], а также у наиболее влиятельных украинских и западных учёных, таких как Орест Субтельный[3], Пол Магочий[4], Омельян Прицак[5], Михаил Грушевский[6], Иван Огиенко[7], Пётр Толочко[8] и других. Её указывают как основную Энциклопедия украиноведения[9] и Этимологический словарь украинского языка[10].

[from https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Украина_(топоним) ]
as sources, among others are listed:
↑ Этимологический словарь Фасмера
↑ Orest Subtelny. Ukraine: A History. University of Toronto Press, 1988
↑ A History of Ukraine. University of Toronto Press, 1996 ISBN 0-8020-0830-5
↑ From Kievan Rus' to modern Ukraine: Formation of the Ukrainian nation (with Mykhailo Hrushevski and John Stephen Reshetar). Cambridge, Mass.: Ukrainian Studies Fund, Harvard University, 1984.
↑ Грушевський М. Історія України-Руси. Том II. Розділ V. Стор. 4
↑ Історія української літературної мови. Київ — 2001 (Перше видання Вінніпег — 1949)
↑ Толочко П. П. «От Руси к Украине» («Від Русі до України». 1997
↑ Енциклопедія українознавства. У 10-х томах. / Головний редактор Володимир Кубійович. — Париж; Нью-Йорк: Молоде життя, 1954—1989.
↑ Етимологічний словник української мови: У 7 т. / Редкол. О. С. Мельничук (голов. ред.) та ін. — К.: Наук. думка, 1983 — Т. 6: У — Я / Уклад.: Г. П. Півторак та ін. — 2012. — 568 с. ISBN 978-966-00-0197-8.



But i don't think one needs to be a linguist or native speaker to hear how similarly sound "окраина" и Украина"..
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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2017, 06:53:32 AM »

But i don't think one needs to be a linguist or native speaker to hear how similarly sound "окраина" и Украина"..

Not that much, first off the stress in Украина is on Украи'на, while in окраина is on окра'ина. By the same token  one can argue that топо'р (axe) sounds very similarly to то'поль (poplar). Very little difference in spelling and stresses are only one syllable off  :).

Stresses are important for sounding "similarly". I know when I am wrong with where I put the stress in English words the locals don't understand me. At all. Just give me a blank stare.

Secondly, in modern Russian окраина doesn't mean borderlands, it means outskirts. As in окраина города, окраина леса.

Guys, really. That's why internet is so fascinating.  :)

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2017, 06:58:06 AM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

I hope you will continue to post on RUA while I may not agree, I can respect your opinions.

I rarely post here but thank you  :)

Would you care why you do not post frequently? Members like me; Other interests: Boring topics:

Other interests mostly. Such as cooking and arts. I also read books. In this day and age  :).

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2017, 07:19:17 AM »


[from https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Украина_(топоним) ]


I would not put that much trust in Wiki as a credible source of scientific knowledge. In the area that I studied in depth a good part of what you can find in the wiki is incomplete, questionable or pure garbage. As Abraham Lincoln once said [1], don't trust every statement posted on internet even if it is supplied with a reference source. It's good for forum chats though.

[1] Basler, Roy Prentice, ed. (1946). Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings. World Publishing. OCLC 518824

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2017, 08:02:45 AM »

Am I speaking with a poster named Halo/Boethuis?


Definitely not.

I hope you will continue to post on RUA while I may not agree, I can respect your opinions.

I rarely post here but thank you  :)

Would you care why you do not post frequently? Members like me; Other interests: Boring topics:

Other interests mostly. Such as cooking and arts. I also read books. In this day and age  :).

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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2017, 08:57:25 AM »
 Stress and spelling and pronunciation change over time though. My hometown of Bolton was known as Bodelton in Saxon times and interestingly the si-called Olde English word for ‘the’ he ‘Ye’ was actually pronounced simply as ‘the’.




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Re: How to say in Ukrainian...
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2017, 09:01:03 AM »


[from https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Украина_(топоним) ]


I would not put that much trust in Wiki as a credible source of scientific knowledge. In the area that I studied in depth a good part of what you can find in the wiki is incomplete, questionable or pure garbage. As Abraham Lincoln once said [1], don't trust every statement posted on internet even if it is supplied with a reference source. It's good for forum chats though.

[1] Basler, Roy Prentice, ed. (1946). Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings. World Publishing. OCLC 518824

I am not going even to check this source.
What Abraham Lincoln could say about Internet, if he was born in 1809???


 

 

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