Syrian Gas Attack: False Flag operation or Real?

[andrewfi]

Just posin' wid me homies: https://goo.gl/photos/vqX7MuGTTthpPR6k9

[AvHdB]

Declassified U.S. Report on Chemical Weapons Attack
The White House released a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, asserting that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”

read all about it here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/document-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.html

I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.

Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?

There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.

I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.

[andrewfi]

I think,  AvHdB, that the word 'veracity' does not mean what you think it does.

[AvHdB]

I think,  AvHdB, that the word 'veracity' does not mean what you think it does.

From an online dictionary "1. habitual observance of truth in speech or statement; truthfulness:"

Andrew, Some times I also doubt your comprehension of the English language and the meaning of certain words. Av

[Markje]

I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.

Really?

Then how would you decide if the evidence fits the Russian or the American narrative.

Russians: We hit a rebel weapons depot during an attack
Americans: Sarin gas was dropped during a raid

I'd say that for outsiders, the difference is not visible, and you will have to go by what is known.

What is known:
People died of a Sarin-Gas attack.
White helmets rescued victims without protective clothing.

Eye-witness accounts and other evidence is mostly gathered from the same white helmets.

White-helmets are known collaborators of ISIS.

Markje Deduction:
White-Helmets have an interest to cast Assad in a bad light. Therefore, hitting a depot of weapons is equally , if not more plausible.

Now I'd like to hear your evidence and assesment of it.

[Contrarian]

Both Russia and the United States of America lie their asses off if it suits their political end game; this is not a mystery for someone with a grain of common sense and a brain they use on a regular basis.

I saw on twitter someone asked the question: dead children at the site of the terror attacks on Coptic church's in Egypt, is Trump going to bomb Egypt now?

The media which is controlled by those who are neither Christian nor Muslim decided long ago that Christian deaths did not matter, only the deaths of muslim women and children (whether staged or not) matter as those deaths suit their Globalist agenda and would aid in the overthrow of yet another foreign government; then there's the pipeline as well.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/isis-kills-dozens-in-egypt-palm-sunday-church-attacks/#8zKLpSbWfxUuIQex.99

Photo of the aftermath of bombing on Coptic church. Dead children? Yes, but their photos did not suit the agenda.

[tfcrew]

 ... the meaning of certain words.

Yeah..can someone help with a word used above.

Posted by: Tom Cat
« on: Yesterday at 04:30:16 PM »
Over the last few months the media has all to often used antimony for sources

I thought antimony is a metal
Couldn't find any other use.




 

[2tallbill]

I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.

Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?

There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.

The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie? I thought you would bring up faking
the moon landing(s) as evidence of Russian honesty. It's more recent than
the Kennedy assassination(s). Which assassination JFK or RFK are you
presenting as proof of Russian incorruptibility? Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?

Should I look at British Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's potential UFO cover-ups
to determine Dutch veracity? Your logic, makes leaps that I can't follow.
How does the USA potential lying about some theoretical conspiracy make
the Russians honest?

[2tallbill]

I strongly doubt the veracity of the Russians and I have seen enough occasions that US news is closer to fiction than anything that would pass as reporting of events today.

I think a very healthy dose of skepticism is warranted for both sides.

[Markje]

I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.

Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?

There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.

The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie? I thought you would bring up faking
the moon landing(s) as evidence of Russian honesty. It's more recent than
the Kennedy assassination(s). Which assassination JFK or RFK are you
presenting as proof of Russian incorruptibility? Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?

Should I look at British Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's potential UFO cover-ups
to determine Dutch veracity? Your logic, makes leaps that I can't follow.
How does the USA potential lying about some theoretical conspiracy make
the Russians honest?

Gb and france seem to agree with the russians.

And i stated above i believe facts only. Look at them and refute em first. Do not engage in words i never wrote.

[tfcrew]

The Kennedy assassination? You are using that for some kind of argument
to prove that the Russians never lie?  Did you know that some
of the conspiracy theories say it was a Bolshevik plot?

 

One of them...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eddowes#John_F._Kennedy_conspiracy_allegations

The Russians themselves stated [correctly it seems] that JFK was a victim of a US government conspiracy.

[Contrarian]

Nobody has mentioned it however there are 100,000 Armenian Christians in Syria and they have sided with and are protected by Assad. In fact Armenia still recognizes the Assad govt. and has diplomatic relations with them. Considering the Armenian genocide by the Turks and they're involvement in this civil war it's no surprise.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-04-01/syrian-armenian-refugees-back-president-assad

[Contrarian]

Orthodox Christians and others celebrated after Assad's forces forced out terrorists from Aleppo.

http://shoebat.com/2016/12/23/christians-from-aleppo-rejoice-in-the-streets-this-christmas-as-syrian-government-takes-control-back-from-isis/

[Contrarian]

Independent Canadian Journalist Eva Bartlett on lies about Syria.

[Tom Cat]

In comparison, the bombing of the hospital in Afghanistan by the U.S. was just as appalling as what took place in Syria.


Kunduz hospital airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

[Tom Cat]

'Obviously False': MIT Profesor Questions White House Claims Sarin Was Dropped by a Syrian Plane

http://russia-insider.com/en/obviously-false-mit-profesor-questions-white-house-claims-sarin-was-dropped-syrian-jet/ri19595

[leslied]

This article is from the American Conservative.  I browse this site quite frequently.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/

I am very surprised that Trump has departed from his foreign policy manifesto.  The attempt to "force" Russia to abandon the Assad regime was infantile and strikingly naive.  I now seriously question the competence of Trump's foreign policy team.

The actions of the British Foreign Secretary were absurd.  Boris Johnson has now fulfilled his potential as a diplomat.  He is an embarrassing clown...
 

[andrewfi]

The 'carrots' offered to Russia were imbecilic. As an outsider looking in I can only surmise that the people making the offers, or who designed them, fully understood that they were valueless. But if so then who was persuaded that they were of value, or who was expected to be taken in by them?

Trump is not a fool. He is not naive. There's something in play. My surmise has been that we have been witnessing a soft coup in the USA. For Trump to have changed his tune as he has done suggests to me one of two things, given that he isn't stupid. The options as I see it are that the coup has been successful, that the opposition has found a key to open a door to Trump's mind and/or heart OR that he is engaged in some form of shadow play against his opposition.

I have been giving some thought to this latter option and it has led me to start thinking about how a power might signal intent and desire to an external observer without direct communication and how that external observer might signal back his understanding and agreement. I started thinking of the Prisoner's Dilemma conundrum and how signalling takes place in such a situation.

[Jerash]

Dr. Theodore Postol has now looked at the evidence more closely and rejects the narrative put forward by the US administration completely, stating that the evidence shows that canister that may have contained sarin did not come from the air. He also notes that the site of the alleged chemical weapons attack has been tampered with.

This article also claims that the Russians gave the Americans a heads up 24 hours before they bombed the warehouse and also informed them the warehouse might have chemical agents. Now why would the Russians give the Americans a heads up before their ally committed a war crime.

The US government is so full of shit.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40222-new-revelations-belie-trump-claims-on-syria-chemical-attack

[andrewfi]

Notice would be given as part of the deconfliction hot line process. The reason for closing the channel was given, by a spokesman for the Russian military, as being because it seemed to be the case that the anti terrorist actions were being compromised by passing info to the US counterparty.

So, yes, absolutely full of shit.

On a related 'full of shit' topic. How is it that the US can know that 36 ISIS fighters were killed by their moab weapon given that the targets were underground in a concealed network of tunnels?

How dumb do your thought leaders think you poor guys are?

[Contrarian]

Yet another reason why the USA should simply let Assad remain. He protects Coptic Christians and Armenians who are Christian. Christians have become the most persecuted religion in the middle east and elsewhere. In the ME we can thank the Bush Jr. regime for actions which led to persecution of Christians in Iraq and them fleeing or being murdered. Obama made it even worse due to his allowing ISIS to form; some say he even helped to create ISIS. He certainly did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide of Christians in the middle east.

www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-as-vicious-attacks-grow.html

[Contrarian]

This article is from the American Conservative.  I browse this site quite frequently.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-russia-supports-assad/

I am very surprised that Trump has departed from his foreign policy manifesto.  The attempt to "force" Russia to abandon the Assad regime was infantile and strikingly naive.  I now seriously question the competence of Trump's foreign policy team.

The actions of the British Foreign Secretary were absurd.  Boris Johnson has now fulfilled his potential as a diplomat.  He is an embarrassing clown...
 

I suspect Trump departed his foreign policy manifesto to avoid becoming another JFK. Having the Zionist Kushner whispering in his ear is no blessing either for someone who would like to disengage from the middle east. The warmongers seem to be exerting a lot of pressure on him. I'm still very hopeful that he still wants to have a very good relationship with Russia; he just is going about it in a round-about way. A recent tweet he made indicates a desire to "work things out" with Russia.

[2tallbill]

I think its exactly the other way around. Russia speaks the truth whereas America lies their asses off.

Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?
Who shot kennedy again?
Vietnam?

There's so much lying there, I don't believe a word they say anymore.

[I screwed the quotes up but Markje is quoted below]

"Gb and france seem to agree with the russians.

And i stated above i believe facts only. Look at them and refute em first. Do not engage in words i never wrote."
[End of Markje's /quote]

You stated

1. "Who shot Kennedy again?"  That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.

2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.

The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.

[Markje]

1. "Who shot Kennedy again?"  That's a fact? I could point out a hundred
US lies or broken promises that would actually help make your point, but
you picked a conspiracy theory that none of the foil hat people can agree
upon.

You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.

He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)

Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).

Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.

2. "Weapons of mass destruction/Irak anyone?" They did find WMD's in Iraq,
(gas) but Team Bush got everyone worked up for war with Yellow cake
uranium and nukes that didn't exist.

The US does have a growing credibility problem, Russia never had any.
You made a poor argument using dubious questions/statements not facts.

So, did the US-government lie about it? YES ABSOLUTELY.

And you didn't mention vietnam, probably because you know I'm correct there too.

Now , more and more rumours and also hard evidence, seem to pop up about Russia being correct in the latest gas-attack which they claimed was a depot they hit on the ground.

Latest fact-nugget: Russia warned America in advance, that the gas-depot was there, before Syria started their air-raid.
(and you can google it yourself).

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

[AvHdB]

You don't have to know whom shot kennedy, but I think we can all agree that LHO didn't shoot him.

He also conveniently was murdered before his trial took off, so no investigation was done after that.
(when the rumours started to grow)

Even movies make funny comedy around these facts. (Nicolas cage for instance, went to a church in the middle of nowhere to find the answer to the question: Whom did murder kennedy).

Did the US gov't lie thus? : YES ABSOLUTELY.

While I have doubt that the US Government lies; I hope you do not base your opinions solely on Hollywood.

For what it is worth 'The Rock' is in fact quite a good film.

NB: Edit post Popka.