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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2016, 03:37:07 PM »
I have a Russian friend who comes from a Military family none are keen on Putin they think he ruined the country. He always told me how life was better in the Soviet days especially for chasing women as you never had to impress them with money,material things or your occupation.
I spent about five years kind of hanging about bars in St petersburg with him and lost count how many places we were thrown out of for his womanising ways  :laugh:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2016, 05:03:03 PM »
Truth is though, the Soviet way was unsustainable. It was going to fall over, and it did.

Is the replacement better? Who knows. In the longer term it too is unsustainable.

We need to find a third way. But there is too much pressure upon a consumption society, the Rat Race. Hard to opt out because to do so means starvation.
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2016, 11:16:18 PM »
Protesters Take to Streets After US Army Rolls Through Moldova

http://russia-insider.com/en/protesters-take-streets-after-us-army-rolls-through-moldova/ri14262

A misleading title.  Read the article carefully and it seems that the protestors were outnumbered by supporters at least 10 to 1.

Ye right!! I don't think so!! Its a Victory day celebration as it is in Russia.. You really think the people of Moldova would want to see vehicles with the US flags flying  :laugh:

The article is poorly written but it appears "the invasion" of 200 soldiers in Moldova happened well before the 9th of May. There was an exhibition of military vehicle in the capital including the so-called America weapons, but they appear to be a NATO contingent on the 9th. It seems in Moldova the 9th of May is not only a celebration of victory over the Nazis but also for the liberation from the Soviet Union.
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2016, 01:59:28 AM »
Didn't the Marshall Plan end half a century ago?
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2016, 02:05:47 AM »
Didn't the Marshall Plan end half a century ago?

Did it? I don't recall getting an email about that..

The legacy is still ongoing no?

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2016, 02:09:29 AM »
I moved a couple of posts on Estonia here for further discussion.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2016, 02:10:26 AM »
Truth is though, the Soviet way was unsustainable. It was going to fall over, and it did.

Is the replacement better? Who knows. In the longer term it too is unsustainable.

We need to find a third way. But there is too much pressure upon a consumption society, the Rat Race. Hard to opt out because to do so means starvation.

I have my own plan to escape the Rat race  :) Part 1 is already implemented. Part 2 the final part will be in 3/4 years :travel:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2016, 02:16:24 AM »
Truth is though, the Soviet way was unsustainable. It was going to fall over, and it did.

Is the replacement better? Who knows. In the longer term it too is unsustainable.

We need to find a third way. But there is too much pressure upon a consumption society, the Rat Race. Hard to opt out because to do so means starvation.

I have my own plan to escape the Rat race  :) Part 1 is already implemented. Part 2 the final part will be in 3/4 years :travel:

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2016, 02:49:43 AM »
Truth is though, the Soviet way was unsustainable. It was going to fall over, and it did.

Is the replacement better? Who knows. In the longer term it too is unsustainable.

We need to find a third way. But there is too much pressure upon a consumption society, the Rat Race. Hard to opt out because to do so means starvation.

I have my own plan to escape the Rat race  :) Part 1 is already implemented. Part 2 the final part will be in 3/4 years :travel:

You're off to Manilla? Better take some baby wipes with you... cos it's HOT...Damn HOT!


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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2016, 03:23:45 AM »
Truth is though, the Soviet way was unsustainable. It was going to fall over, and it did.

Is the replacement better? Who knows. In the longer term it too is unsustainable.

We need to find a third way. But there is too much pressure upon a consumption society, the Rat Race. Hard to opt out because to do so means starvation.

A sad but true reality, what strikes me as odd in that you do not see any new sort of Utopian societies or experiments.

It falls into four groups the sort of benign Socialism of much of Western Europe, the North Korea's and Zimbabwe's, the wannabees such as Russia or India or the grinding reality that the free world offers.
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2016, 05:28:00 AM »
This takes place in Trans-Dniester , not Moldova.


Moldova: 500 Russian Soldiers Stage Military Exercises

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/moldova-500-russian-soldiers-stage-military-exercises-39087602
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2016, 05:40:51 AM »
This takes place in Trans-Dniester , not Moldova.


Moldova: 500 Russian Soldiers Stage Military Exercises

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/moldova-500-russian-soldiers-stage-military-exercises-39087602

Some one has to look after those people.. :thumbsup:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2016, 08:33:21 AM »
Didn't the Marshall Plan end half a century ago?

Did it? I don't recall getting an email about that..

The legacy is still ongoing no?

Remember, if it wasn't for Uncle Sam we'd all be speaking German!

Give this man a trophy for speaking the truth!   :laugh:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2016, 10:26:54 AM »
Remember, if it wasn't for Uncle Sam we'd all be speaking German!

Give this man a trophy for speaking the truth!   :laugh:

Pass me the sick bag.  :sick0012:
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Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2016, 10:57:44 AM »
Remember, if it wasn't for Uncle Sam we'd all be speaking German!

Give this man a trophy for speaking the truth!   :laugh:

Pass me the sick bag.  :sick0012:

Can I have the carrots & peas??   :laugh:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2016, 10:15:11 AM »


Inside the gypsy capital of the world: The Moldovan town where locals flaunt their wealth by building flamboyant homes and the 'Gypsy King' rules supreme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3559115/Inside-gypsy-capital-world-Moldovan-town-locals-flaunt-wealth-building-flamboyant-homes-Gypsy-King-rules-supreme.html
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2016, 10:32:07 AM »


Inside the gypsy capital of the world: The Moldovan town where locals flaunt their wealth by building flamboyant homes and the 'Gypsy King' rules supreme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3559115/Inside-gypsy-capital-world-Moldovan-town-locals-flaunt-wealth-building-flamboyant-homes-Gypsy-King-rules-supreme.html

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2016, 12:12:37 PM »
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2016, 12:30:32 PM »
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2016, 12:36:06 PM »
Capitalism is, as we now know, unworkable.

Here's the way it is:
Communism was, in principle, a good idea. At its heart was central planning as a means to allocate resources. The system failed because information could not be processed or acted upon rapidly, or accurately, enough.

Under capitalism the markets are supposed to be the information mechanism by which resources are allocated however this assumes that resources are, essentially, unlimited. We know that resources are limited and that unfettered growth is against the interests of most people on this planet.

However, we now have much more ability to manage data and to act upon it. We see this in the global financial markets where central banks are able, with a high degree of success, to plan and allocate resources to meet perceived needs (demand). Of course this means that these markets are, in effect, fixed meaning that we can no longer trust market signals as we could even just a few years ago. It also means that 'insider trading' in one form or another is now common, but carried out by only a very small number of a closed group, or groups.

So, can a planned economy work, in the circumstances of a hugely improved information flow and a much more active and accurate planning centre?
Chances are that we are going to see if this is possible in China in the coming years. ;)

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2016, 01:02:35 PM »
Capitalism is, as we now know, unworkable.

Here's the way it is:
Communism was, in principle, a good idea. At its heart was central planning as a means to allocate resources. The system failed because information could not be processed or acted upon rapidly, or accurately, enough.

Under capitalism the markets are supposed to be the information mechanism by which resources are allocated however this assumes that resources are, essentially, unlimited. We know that resources are limited and that unfettered growth is against the interests of most people on this planet.

However, we now have much more ability to manage data and to act upon it. We see this in the global financial markets where central banks are able, with a high degree of success, to plan and allocate resources to meet perceived needs (demand). Of course this means that these markets are, in effect, fixed meaning that we can no longer trust market signals as we could even just a few years ago. It also means that 'insider trading' in one form or another is now common, but carried out by only a very small number of a closed group, or groups.

So, can a planned economy work, in the circumstances of a hugely improved information flow and a much more active and accurate planning centre?
Chances are that we are going to see if this is possible in China in the coming years. ;)

This is kinda what I've been saying all along, data modelling is so advanced now, economy still needs cheap labour tho, we're not there yet but there will come a time when the capitalistic machine runs out of poor people to exploit, not a criticism, it will have done it's job, eventually it will make most people reasonably happy with their lives, achieving some sort of socialism via capitalism.

Human nature being what it is though, there'll always be people wanting more.

But the trick is to fully automate and model, before there are no people left in the world to do the manual hard work for buttons....

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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2016, 10:27:17 PM »
Communism was, in principle, a good idea. At its heart was central planning as a means to allocate resources. The system failed because information could not be processed or acted upon rapidly, or accurately, enough.

So, can a planned economy work, in the circumstances of a hugely improved information flow and a much more active and accurate planning centre?
Chances are that we are going to see if this is possible in China in the coming years. ;)

In principle Communism has potential. But the theory fails to take into account human nature, which tends to be rather dark and ugly. Under Communism we saw historically in the last century the worst of it. If we remove China from the formula there is not a single 'successful' Communist regime. I would counter the the system failed because of greed and power.

But these flaws are also present in Capitalism. The difference between the two is with Capitalism you have greater choice, in theory you can earn funds for your self and follow your own convictions. This is not possible under Communism.

Will China succeed, ask some one in 50 years.
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2016, 11:23:57 AM »
Was a NATO Invasion of Moldova Thwarted by People's Resistance?

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/was-nato-invasion-moldova-thwarted-peoples-resistance/ri14575

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Im not there yet!! 23 rd June I will there to help with the resistance  :smokin:
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2016, 08:48:33 PM »
European Commission - Press release

Full entry into force of the Association Agreement between the European Union and the Republic of Moldova

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2368_en.htm
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Re: Moldova leans toward Russia.
« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2016, 12:22:34 PM »
After reading this, it does not seem like Moldova is making any progress with corruption. Kinda makes a person wonder how the European commission found  in favor of Moldova?

Moldova’s Tywin Lannister?

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/286262-moldovas-tywin-lannister
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