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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2015, 11:34:52 PM »
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2015, 10:54:55 AM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2015, 11:04:47 AM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?
For her first visit you would be better advised to apply for a single entry. Applying for a multiple could be construed as a desire to return to Canada quite quickly and negate the argument for her returnability.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2015, 12:55:16 PM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?
For her first visit you would be better advised to apply for a single entry. Applying for a multiple could be construed as a desire to return to Canada quite quickly and negate the argument for her returnability.

Nooo. Definitely do not do this. There used to be a part on the application form where you would tick whether you are applying for a single or mulit entry. I believe this now has been removed. The policy is now to issue multiple-entry visas unless there is a good reason not to. If you explicitly request a single entry visa, you may tie the visa officer's hands and force them to issue you a single entry visa, even if they wanted to issue her a multi.  If the visa officer for some reason feels it is not appropriate to issue a multi, then they will issue a single.  You should not specifically request single or multi and not doing so will not have any bearing on how the application is decided.

It sounds like you are on the right course. I agree with everyone else that honesty is the best policy. A story is easy to tell when it is the truth! Start fabricating and stretching or distorting the truth increases the likelihood you will get caught out and all your Christmas plans will be ruined. The strongest case is based in honesty.

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2015, 01:00:03 PM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?
For her first visit you would be better advised to apply for a single entry. Applying for a multiple could be construed as a desire to return to Canada quite quickly and negate the argument for her returnability.

Nooo. Definitely do not do this. There used to be a part on the application form where you would tick whether you are applying for a single or mulit entry. I believe this now has been removed. The policy is now to issue multiple-entry visas unless there is a good reason not to. If you explicitly request a single entry visa, you may tie the visa officer's hands and force them to issue you a single entry visa, even if they wanted to issue her a multi.  If the visa officer for some reason feels it is not appropriate to issue a multi, then they will issue a single.  You should not specifically request single or multi and not doing so will not have any bearing on how the application is decided.

It sounds like you are on the right course. I agree with everyone else that honesty is the best policy. A story is easy to tell when it is the truth! Start fabricating and stretching or distorting the truth increases the likelihood you will get caught out and all your Christmas plans will be ruined. The strongest case is based in honesty.
I think what the OP asked, at least my understanding of it, was based on there being a choice available.
If, as you say, there is only the option of a multi entry visa, then, of course, there is no need to specifically request a single entry visa.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2015, 01:11:48 PM »
After getting the Canadian visa last month, we decided to try to get a US visa as well, because I may want to take drive in New England, when we will be in the Montreal area. The procedure is really simple. On the US embassy
website, you fill a simple form, and update a digital picture. Then you book an interview appointment online.
So today was the interview for the MRS. We had prepared all documents, which we had used for the Canadian visa, and in she went. First, she had to pay 160 USD, and then wait in line for the interview. She was nervous, because the two hours she waited there, she noticed that 50% of the applicants got their passport back, meaning rejection.
When her turn came, no one asked to see her documents. The consular agent looked at her passport, and all the visas in it. He was surprised to see a 3 year Canadian visa, and asked for the reason. She said her husband was Canadian, but they lived in Tashkent.
He then said good, and kept the passport, for pick up next week.
No idea what visa it will be, but let's see.
I write this, to show how they work. They never requested statements or other documents, for a tourist visa. They were interested in the travel history only. :plane:

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2015, 03:32:17 PM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?
For her first visit you would be better advised to apply for a single entry. Applying for a multiple could be construed as a desire to return to Canada quite quickly and negate the argument for her returnability.

Nooo. Definitely do not do this. There used to be a part on the application form where you would tick whether you are applying for a single or mulit entry. I believe this now has been removed. The policy is now to issue multiple-entry visas unless there is a good reason not to. If you explicitly request a single entry visa, you may tie the visa officer's hands and force them to issue you a single entry visa, even if they wanted to issue her a multi.  If the visa officer for some reason feels it is not appropriate to issue a multi, then they will issue a single.  You should not specifically request single or multi and not doing so will not have any bearing on how the application is decided.

It sounds like you are on the right course. I agree with everyone else that honesty is the best policy. A story is easy to tell when it is the truth! Start fabricating and stretching or distorting the truth increases the likelihood you will get caught out and all your Christmas plans will be ruined. The strongest case is based in honesty.
I think what the OP asked, at least my understanding of it, was based on there being a choice available.
If, as you say, there is only the option of a multi entry visa, then, of course, there is no need to specifically request a single entry visa.

Hi Dogsoldier - I think they actually removed the single/multi entry option from the application form now, so you don't pick one or the other anymore. But if you explicitly requested a single entry, you might end up with that even if they would otherwise have issued a multi.

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2015, 03:36:04 PM »
Cdnexpat - you are right, travel history is a MAJOR factor.  That is true for Canada as well. Lack of travel history isn't necessarily going to get you refused, but a solid travel history will definitely smooth the way!  :)

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2015, 03:45:58 PM »
a question for you all. Would asking asking for a multiple entry visa as opposed to a single entry visa be looked at more favourably? Would it indicate an interest in being able to travel freely as opposed to one time therefore lessening any fear that the traveler might stay in Canada? If so do you do anything different in your application?
For her first visit you would be better advised to apply for a single entry. Applying for a multiple could be construed as a desire to return to Canada quite quickly and negate the argument for her returnability.

Nooo. Definitely do not do this. There used to be a part on the application form where you would tick whether you are applying for a single or mulit entry. I believe this now has been removed. The policy is now to issue multiple-entry visas unless there is a good reason not to. If you explicitly request a single entry visa, you may tie the visa officer's hands and force them to issue you a single entry visa, even if they wanted to issue her a multi.  If the visa officer for some reason feels it is not appropriate to issue a multi, then they will issue a single.  You should not specifically request single or multi and not doing so will not have any bearing on how the application is decided.

It sounds like you are on the right course. I agree with everyone else that honesty is the best policy. A story is easy to tell when it is the truth! Start fabricating and stretching or distorting the truth increases the likelihood you will get caught out and all your Christmas plans will be ruined. The strongest case is based in honesty.
I think what the OP asked, at least my understanding of it, was based on there being a choice available.
If, as you say, there is only the option of a multi entry visa, then, of course, there is no need to specifically request a single entry visa.

Hi Dogsoldier - I think they actually removed the single/multi entry option from the application form now, so you don't pick one or the other anymore. But if you explicitly requested a single entry, you might end up with that even if they would otherwise have issued a multi.
Yes, that makes sense.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2015, 09:28:17 AM »
There are three things that CIC worries about when processing a Visitor or Temp Visa.
1. Is the reason for their visit valid.  ie: Is it a REAL visit and not an attempt to land and claim refugee status or work or anything that wouldn't match what a "temp visa" actually is for.
2. Is there any danger to Canadian's either criminally, medically or economically.  For instance can she support herself, or have your support while here.
3. Will they return home.  Strong ties to home...job, house, kids etc. 

Best place to read about CIC and their policies and manuals is here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/visa/index.asp

With more attention being paid to what they consider for admisability:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/visa/processing/admissibility.asp

If you invite them, and say "they just want to visit" that may be looked upon as frivolous.  You might think you are being nonchallant and trying to show she is "just visiting and will go home" but this small note in the CIC's own manuals shows that they may think differently.   For instance in my invite and my wife's interview we made sure to just say she was visiting me in Canada so we could have Xmas together and so she could meet my family for the first time.   I figured this was a more substancial reason than "just visiting". 

For my wife's visit she had a 9 year old son at home and a job to return to that we made sure to mention in the invite and interview.  This was to show she would return.

My invite letter also clearly included that she was staying with me and I was hosting her for the entire visit and taking care of all expenses. 

One note...for a single entry visa they do say the following...
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Single-entry visa
•Allows the foreign national to enter Canada only once during the validity of the visa
•May be issued up to six months before the expected date of travel
•Should have an expiry date of at least one month after the expected date of arrival in Canada

The note about the expiry date being one month after the expected date of arrival is prudent.  That way if a flight is cancelled...or some other delay happens in her arrival or departure it doesn't destroy the trip.

Also...I wouldn't book plane tickets until they got the visa.  If the visa is turned down...and it was once for me...you would just be out money to the airlines for no reason.  If you read the manuals they don't really consider return plane tickets to be proof that people will return to their home country.   Anyone can buy a return plane ticket...it proves nothing. 
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2015, 04:21:56 PM »
"As part of our plan to grow the Canadian economy and create jobs, our government is committed to attracting more visitors and business people to our country. By making the multiple-entry visa the standard visitor visa, we are evolving to meet the needs of international travellers who are looking for flexible, fast and convenient options to come to Canada.”

Chris Alexander, Canada’s Citizenship and Immigration Minister

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2015, 05:03:46 PM »
My hope remains that being honest will win the day. We have a letter from her employer, her sons school, her property and other financial papers, a letter from me soon to be sent. She is going back to Russia so here is hoping our government can recognize a sincere application.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2015, 05:02:59 AM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2015, 08:38:02 AM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?
I have never heard of it being done this way, I have no idea of success rate.
She still needs Canadian visa to come here. If she fails receiving any visa,
that X is not good.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2015, 11:40:40 AM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?
I have never heard of it being done this way, I have no idea of success rate.
She still needs Canadian visa to come here. If she fails receiving any visa,
that X is not good.

I believe it is easier to get the Canadian visa than a US visa. Does she own property as in a house where she lives? I understand it is a lot easier to get a visa if you own a house. The next big thing is a what type of job? The better her job is the more likely she is to get a visa. The third thing is how much she has traveled. From what I gather she is real strong in this department. The fourth thing she needs a story about what she want to do in Canada. In the US they like to hear how much money she is going to spend on her vacation. If she is meeting someone she would be less likely to get the visa. The US wants to think the person coming has no connection in the country and would have no reason to stay here. If she has child or children and close family members in her native country this helps also. As this gives them more reason to believe she will return when the trip is over. Then they like to see enough money in her bank account to look like she can afford a vacation. I understand it does not have to be prefect but this is what s looked at. It come down to this, does the person approving the visa think there is enough reason for her to return that she is not a risk of her staying here beyond her visa.

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2015, 01:39:40 PM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?

Speaking of US visa, my wife picked up her passport today, with a US one year multi visa. The Canadian visa helped on that one. It is all about building a travel history. ;D

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2015, 04:52:20 PM »
No requests anymore as for multi or single visit visas. CIC will determine which visa they will approve. Do not even bother to mention it.

Ties to her home country are the most compelling factor. Two very strong points going against you are her relationship with you and bringing a child with her to visit. CIC will thinks she has no reason to return to her country, you must convince them on your application that she will return.

Do NOT lie on the application as to not having a boyfriend (you) in Canada. If you fail to disclose this fact and in the future you marry her and wish to sponsor her as your spouse. then your omission of this info from her temporary resident (visitor) visa application, can and or will open a whole new can of worms in your dealings with CIC. I stress that this is important advice.

Do not fret if you are honest and rejected with your application now. As previously stated how this could negatively affect if you chose to sponsor her in the future as your spouse is Wrong.

Do not waste money buying a ticket yet. Means nothing to CIC.

PS...  my wifes sister was just granted a multi visa from UA. She does not work, is a housewife. She has never been outside of UA. We showed compelling reasons for her return to UA as her parents and husband and young son are in UA. I submitted a statutory declaration of support for her visit to Canada.

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2015, 06:49:46 PM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?

Speaking of US visa, my wife picked up her passport today, with a US one year multi visa. The Canadian visa helped on that one. It is all about building a travel history. ;D

Would it be ok to tell us about her visa and how much traveling she did?

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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2015, 07:25:08 PM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?

Yes, it's crazy. If she gets turned down for a U.S. visa, it will reduce the chances of her getting one for Canada.
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Re: Which is better visit as my guest or as a tourist to Canada?
« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2015, 12:11:46 PM »
One of the "visa experts" in my girlfriends city told her she should apply for a U.S. Tourist visa and then a Canadian visa. This sounds crazy to me. Your thoughts?

Speaking of US visa, my wife picked up her passport today, with a US one year multi visa. The Canadian visa helped on that one. It is all about building a travel history. ;D

Would it be ok to tell us about her visa and how much traveling she did?

As I mentioned before:
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2012 - Malaysia
2013 - Turkey, then France and Italy.
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2015 - Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Japan, korea, China.

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