Ukrainian Losses

[Manny]

Please wake up to the number of countries Russia has invaded before Ukraine. It is a long list.

Now do the US.

[andrewfi]

Texan77, you're the expert, why not give us the list. I am curious about what history like in your parallel universe.

[B.B.]

Please wake up to the number of countries Russia has invaded before Ukraine. It is a long list.

Now do the US.

Now do the UK. 

The most common non-religious holiday in the world is Independence (from the UK) Day, which is celebrated, on average, about every 5.5 days.

Back to Russia, in that neighborhood, they have invaded Czech, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary ('56), Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, Georgia, and Kazakstan.  They committed genocide in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. 

It is little wonder that most of the former Warsaw Pact nations RAN into NATO's arms, and why Ukraine wants in (along with, now Sweden and Finland).  Russia has a long and bloody history in E. Europe, including in Ukraine, and no sensible person can fail to understand why Ukraine wants in NATO.

B/B

[AvHdB]

Please wake up to the number of countries Russia has invaded before Ukraine. It is a long list.

Now do the US.

Now do the UK. 

The most common non-religious holiday in the world is Independence (from the UK) Day, which is celebrated, on average, about every 5.5 days.

Back to Russia, in that neighborhood, they have invaded Czech, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary ('56), Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, Georgia, and Kazakstan.  They committed genocide in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. 

It is little wonder that most of the former Warsaw Pact nations RAN into NATO's arms, and why Ukraine wants in (along with, now Sweden and Finland).  Russia has a long and bloody history in E. Europe, including in Ukraine, and no sensible person can fail to understand why Ukraine wants in NATO.

B/B

There is also Russian invasions in Georgia, Dagestan and Moldova. What do they have in common? I will let the Putinistas guess.

[rosco]

For context given the discussion, it would be useful to look at who fought who following the creation of NATO in 1949.

Russia -

Under the Soviet Union

Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1968
Soviet–Afghan War, 1979–1989

Under the Russian Federation

First Chechen War, 1994–1997
Second Chechen War, 1999–2000
Russo-Georgian War, 2008
Russo-Ukrainian War, 2014–present
Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022–present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion


And here's a documented article regarding Uncle Sam from 2019 and there are multiple sub categories.

United States of America -

Conflicts

1946 Trieste
1947-1949 Greece
1948-1949 Berlin, Germany
1950 Formosa (Taiwan)
1950-1953 Korea
1953-1954 Formosa (Taiwan)
1955-1975 Vietnam
1956 Egypt
1958 Lebanon
1962 Cuba
1962 Thailand
1962-1975 Laos
1964 Congo (Zaire)
1965 Dominican Republic
1965-1973 Cambodia
1967 Congo (Zaire)
1976 Korea
1978 Congo (Zaire)
1980 Iran
1981 El Salvador
1981 Libya
1981-1989 Nicaragua
1982-1983 Egypt
1982-1983 Lebanon
1983 Chad
1983 Grenada
1986 Bolivia
1986 Libya
1987-1988 Iran
1988 Panama
1989 Bolivia
1989 Colombia
1989 Libya
1989 Peru
1989 Philippines
1989-1990 Panama
1990 Saudi Arabia
1991 Congo (Zaire)
1991-1992 Kuwait
1991-1993 Iraq
1992-1994 Somalia
1993-1994 Macedonia
1993-1996 Haiti
1993-2005 Bosnia
1995 Serbia
1996 Liberia
1996 Rwanda
1997-2003 Iraq
1998 Afghanistan
1998 Sudan
1999-2000 Kosovo
1999-2000 Montenegro
1999-2000 Serbia
2000 Yemen
2000-2002 East Timor
2000-2016 Colombia
2001 – Afghanistan
2001- Pakistan
2001-Somalia
2002-2015 Philippines
2002-Yemen
2003-2011 Iraq
2004 Haiti
c2004-Kenya
2011 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2011-2017 Uganda
2011- Libya
c2012- Central African Republic
c2012- Mali
c2013-2016 South Sudan
c2013- Burkina Faso
c2013-   Chad
c2013-    Mauritania
c2013-  Niger
c2013-  Nigeria
2014 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2014-   Iraq
2014-   Syria
2015 Democratic Republic of the Congo
c2015-  Cameroon
2016 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2017-  Saudi Arabia
c2017 Tunisia
2019-  Philippines

Leaders they've tried to assassinate

1949 – Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s – CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany to be “put out of the way” in the event of a Soviet invasion
1950s – Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life
1950s, 1962 – Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 – Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 – Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) – Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 – Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 – Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 – Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 – Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s – José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 – Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 – Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 – Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 – Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s-70s – Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s – Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 – Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965-6 – Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 – Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 – Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 – Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 – General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 – General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 – Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 – Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 – Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 – Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 – Miguel d’Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 – The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 – Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 – Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1993 – Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia
1998, 2001-2 – Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 – Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2002 – Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord
2003 – Saddam Hussein and his two sons
2011 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya

Governments they've tried to overthrow

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
[arguably, Syria 1949 needs to be added to this list. –DS]

https://davidswanson.org/warlist/

But yea, Russia and Vladimir Putin is a threat to global security!! 

[Manny]

Post of the week that, Rosco. 

BB and Tex will be back in a minute saying "but, but, but Russia". 

[AvHdB]

It looks like D. Swanson forgot to list Scotland, (the United States wanted the haggis.) Also overlooked is Kick ‘‘em Jenny. 

[Markje]

Post of the week that, Rosco. 

BB and Tex will be back in a minute saying "but, but, but Russia". 

Also from rosco's page:

One final list.

Here is a complete list of those actions compiled from all the lists above that have been successful and made the world a better place:

No i did not forget to quote the list. Its empty.

[rosco]

Post of the week that, Rosco. 

BB and Tex will be back in a minute saying "but, but, but Russia". 

Yea that long and bloody list BB talks about, isn't quite so long when compared with uncle Sam's away games.....

It's pretty bloody obvious why those countries who aren't already kept at heel by the US, are prepared to fight hard to keep their independence. Europes become the yankees lackey and we'll always be getting pulled into the mess unless we manage to break free. BRICS members see this exactly for what it is.

Until then, we'll be reminded that without the US, Russia will be invading us and Putler will eat our newborn.......whilst being forced to buy expensive energy and submit to US hegemony 

[rosco]

It looks like D. Swanson forgot to list Scotland, (the United States wanted the haggis.) Also overlooked is Kick ‘‘em Jenny. 

Everyone's a secret haggis muncher!! 

[Texan77]

For context given the discussion, it would be useful to look at who fought who following the creation of NATO in 1949.

Russia -

Under the Soviet Union

Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1968
Soviet–Afghan War, 1979–1989

Under the Russian Federation

First Chechen War, 1994–1997
Second Chechen War, 1999–2000
Russo-Georgian War, 2008
Russo-Ukrainian War, 2014–present
Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022–present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion


And here's a documented article regarding Uncle Sam from 2019 and there are multiple sub categories.

United States of America -

Conflicts

1946 Trieste
1947-1949 Greece
1948-1949 Berlin, Germany
1950 Formosa (Taiwan)
1950-1953 Korea
1953-1954 Formosa (Taiwan)
1955-1975 Vietnam
1956 Egypt
1958 Lebanon
1962 Cuba
1962 Thailand
1962-1975 Laos
1964 Congo (Zaire)
1965 Dominican Republic
1965-1973 Cambodia
1967 Congo (Zaire)
1976 Korea
1978 Congo (Zaire)
1980 Iran
1981 El Salvador
1981 Libya
1981-1989 Nicaragua
1982-1983 Egypt
1982-1983 Lebanon
1983 Chad
1983 Grenada
1986 Bolivia
1986 Libya
1987-1988 Iran
1988 Panama
1989 Bolivia
1989 Colombia
1989 Libya
1989 Peru
1989 Philippines
1989-1990 Panama
1990 Saudi Arabia
1991 Congo (Zaire)
1991-1992 Kuwait
1991-1993 Iraq
1992-1994 Somalia
1993-1994 Macedonia
1993-1996 Haiti
1993-2005 Bosnia
1995 Serbia
1996 Liberia
1996 Rwanda
1997-2003 Iraq
1998 Afghanistan
1998 Sudan
1999-2000 Kosovo
1999-2000 Montenegro
1999-2000 Serbia
2000 Yemen
2000-2002 East Timor
2000-2016 Colombia
2001 – Afghanistan
2001- Pakistan
2001-Somalia
2002-2015 Philippines
2002-Yemen
2003-2011 Iraq
2004 Haiti
c2004-Kenya
2011 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2011-2017 Uganda
2011- Libya
c2012- Central African Republic
c2012- Mali
c2013-2016 South Sudan
c2013- Burkina Faso
c2013-   Chad
c2013-    Mauritania
c2013-  Niger
c2013-  Nigeria
2014 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2014-   Iraq
2014-   Syria
2015 Democratic Republic of the Congo
c2015-  Cameroon
2016 Democratic Republic of the Congo
2017-  Saudi Arabia
c2017 Tunisia
2019-  Philippines

Leaders they've tried to assassinate

1949 – Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s – CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany to be “put out of the way” in the event of a Soviet invasion
1950s – Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life
1950s, 1962 – Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 – Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 – Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) – Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 – Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 – Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 – Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 – Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s – José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 – Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 – Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 – Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 – Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s-70s – Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s – Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 – Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965-6 – Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 – Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 – Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 – Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 – General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 – General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 – Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 – Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 – Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 – Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 – Miguel d’Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 – The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 – Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 – Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1993 – Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia
1998, 2001-2 – Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 – Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2002 – Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord
2003 – Saddam Hussein and his two sons
2011 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya

Governments they've tried to overthrow

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
[arguably, Syria 1949 needs to be added to this list. –DS]

https://davidswanson.org/warlist/

But yea, Russia and Vladimir Putin is a threat to global security!! 

Russia over ran and controlled 44 nations to form the USSR. No oner country compares to this feat and it the reason Nato was formed.

Your list is a bunch of crap fake news.

Meanwhile look at Russia standability of the war. Those who think Ukraine has no change to possibly win.

[B.B.]

Post of the week that, Rosco. 

BB and Tex will be back in a minute saying "but, but, but Russia". 

Lulz.  That's sort of the POINT.  You and Rosco want to talk about EVERYTHING BUT Russia.

"But...but...AMERICA IS MEAN!!!"

Srsly Rosco, did you even read your own list?  Like the Berlin Airlift was somehow bad? 

B/B: "You know Russia shouldn't be genociding Urkainians..."

Rosco: "OMG! HOW DARE AMERICA PREVENT RUSSIA FROM STARVING WEST BERLIN?!?!?!"

Go have a lie down, old boy, and stop hyperventilating.  And enough with the Whataboutism.  There are 12 - TWELVE - nations in the world that the UK hasn't invaded/fought a war with. 

We learned from the best. 

But let's return to the topic at hand: the Russo-Ukrainian War...that is, after all the title of the thread is about.  Anything to say about that, or is your tongue still stuck up Putin's bum?

B/B

[rosco]

Russia over ran and controlled 44 nations to form the USSR. No oner country compares to this feat and it the reason Nato was formed.

Your list is a bunch of crap fake news.

Meanwhile look at Russia standability of the war. Those who think Ukraine has no change to possibly win.

You're a lost old soul aren't you? Do you still think Putin killed Navalny even though your own intelligence agencies have now said otherwise?

I suggest you read up about how the USSR formed. Hint - it wasn't by carpet bombing and murdering civilians in order to get them to sign up and there was 15 republics at its height, not 44.

You say no other country compares to Russia......have you heard about Great Britain and the Mongols?? 

And predictably, facts are dismissed as fake news because those facts threaten the existence of the parallel universe you appear to mouth breath in.

 

[AvHdB]

And predictably, facts are dismissed as fake news because those facts threaten the existence of the parallel universe you appear to mouth breathe in.

Odd I have wondered if one put BC and Rosco in front a drip painting by J. Pollack you two would discuss the beauty. The discussions would be is it depicting a sunset or springtime landscape. Another analogy would be the creature quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck and swims like a duck and you maintain it is a cat.

Perhaps B.B. would wonder how long it took to create the painting and I would wonder could the canvas set a new record at auction.

[rosco]

And predictably, facts are dismissed as fake news because those facts threaten the existence of the parallel universe you appear to mouth breathe in.

Odd I have wondered if one put BC and Rosco in front a drip painting by J. Pollack you two would discuss the beauty. The discussions would be is it depicting a sunset or springtime landscape. Another analogy would be the creature quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck and swims like a duck and you maintain it is a cat.

Perhaps B.B. would wonder how long it took to create the painting and I would wonder could the canvas set a new record at auction.

Nurse.....you're missing a patient. 

[AvHdB]

And predictably, facts are dismissed as fake news because those facts threaten the existence of the parallel universe you appear to mouth breathe in.

Odd I have wondered if one put BC and Rosco in front a drip painting by J. Pollack you two would discuss the beauty. The discussions would be is it depicting a sunset or springtime landscape. Another analogy would be the creature quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck and swims like a duck and you maintain it is a cat.

Perhaps B.B. would wonder how long it took to create the painting and I would wonder could the canvas set a new record at auction.

Nurse.....you're missing a patient. 

Feel free to inhabit any place in your fantasy world, I will hang with the realists. In the meantime try to find a ride to the clinic so they can control your meds.

Hopefully the nurse is cuter than the sheep.