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Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« on: March 12, 2015, 12:26:16 PM »
It appears Putin's been missing for an entire week. He hasn't been seen in public for a full week and reports about his schedule on the presidential website seem suspect. The Kremlin denies that he is ill, and the Russian blogosphere is abuzz with speculation.

For those who understand Russian, what's the Russian blogosphere saying about his disappearance? Is he in secret meetings dreaming of ways to counter the sanctions imposed by the west? Is he in meetings dreaming up ways to invade the Baltics?

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-12/putin-disappears-like-a-dictator?cmpid=yhoo
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 01:52:29 PM »
Something is going on in Moscow, that's for sure. Helicopters are all over Moscow today, especially in the Kremlin area.For those who understand Russian:http://t.co/WBkv1xhE0O

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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 02:23:40 PM »
The Russian Internet is saying Putin is dead. Even if Putin died, why the secrecy? Putin's over 60, it wouldn't be unusual for someone of his age to have a heart attack or stroke or some other medical problem and die quickly. These things happen.

The Kremlin must have contingency plans for this sort of thing. There must be rules for who succeeds Putin if he were to die in office. Does Russian Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev succeed Putin in the event of Putin's death? Are elections called immediately?


http://www.businessinsider.com/the-russian-internet-thinks-putin-is-dead-2015-3
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »
http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/12/russian-rumour-mill-suggests-putin-suffering-poor-health/

Vladimir Ryzhkov, leader of Russia’s main liberal opposition party tweeted “Stalin died on March 5. Putin appeared in public for the last time on March 5. I’m concerned”.

The Interpreter has also published a translation of an email sent to the Russkiy Monitor, supposedly signed by “an anonymous official of the Central Clinical Hospital of the Department of Presidential Affairs in Moscow”. The official reports that “among the patients of this elite Moscow hospital, where the top leadership of the Russian Federation are registered, there were rumors that Vladimir Putin was diagnosed several days ago with an ischemic stroke.”

The Monitor goes on to say: “The editorial board of Russian Monitor cannot confirm or deny the information which might very well be false, however we must note the fact that the president has not been seen in public since last week, his meeting with the presidents of Belarus and Kazakhstan was unexpectedly cancelled. Observers note that since Putin has been in power, nothing of this sort has occurred.”

Putin, aged 62, is just two years under the average life expectancy for Russian males. Last October the New York Post posted rumours that he had been battling pancreatic cancer. Putin’s spokesman Peskov responded by asking journalists to “shut their trap”.

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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 04:31:10 PM »
Twitter is awash with rumours that he has had a stroke, but that doesn't really mean much. The Kremlin says he is fine.

The New York Post was publishing rumours about pancreatic cancer three years ago that appeared to be groundless.

I suppose we wont know until he comes back. Maybe its manflu.
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 04:59:08 PM »
Maybe Putin is on holiday in Ukraine with his troops :)
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 05:45:39 PM »
Is he in meetings dreaming up ways to invade the Baltics?

Don't be idiotic.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<<

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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 05:58:48 PM »


My father says he was on Russian tv last night with Hudilaynen of Karelia and the day before with a governor of Yamalo-Nenecky autonomous region; i checked on the official site, here are both:

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/47840

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/47828

So, the ill-wishers, you can eat your hearts out    :)
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 06:16:13 PM »
http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/12/russian-rumour-mill-suggests-putin-suffering-poor-health/

One can't always believe the Kremlin



My father says he was on Russian tv last night with Hudilaynen of Karelia and the day before with a governor of Yamalo-Nenecky autonomous region; i checked on the official site, here are both:

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/47840

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/47828

So, the ill-wishers, you can eat your hearts out    :)
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 06:40:26 PM »
One can't always believe the Kremlin

So, instead of checking the official sources, you suggest what? That we engage in tie-divination? That's, like, more credible and accurate? C'mmon, be serious, please   :)
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 07:06:17 PM »
One can't always believe the Kremlin

So, instead of checking the official sources, you suggest what? That we engage in tie-divination? That's, like, more credible and accurate? C'mmon, be serious, please   :)

To be fair I don't believe what comes out of Washington D.C. either :biggrin:
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 07:19:33 PM »

To be fair I don't believe what comes out of Washington D.C. either :biggrin:

I think all of us are having trust issues, and with a reason ;)
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 07:23:35 PM »
One can't always believe the Kremlin

So, instead of checking the official sources, you suggest what? That we engage in tie-divination? That's, like, more credible and accurate? C'mmon, be serious, please   :)

Volshe, by most estimates Russia has one of the most corrupt governments in Europe so not believing the Kremlin would seem to be a wise idea. After all many of us in the west have a fundamental distrust of our governments. Why don't you?

If Putin appeared on live TV recently don't you think most of those Russians who watch TV would notice? They'd post on Twitter or other media sites that Putin was on a live TV broadcast within the last few days. The entire idea that Putin was ill or dead would soon cease if the majority of posts on social media said he was just on live TV or seen at some recent event.

Also most larger western media outlets in Russia must have people who are fluent in Russian and are tasked with monitoring Russian TV, FB, Twitter and other media to keep track of Putin and other Russian officials, celebrities, etc. Wouldn't these western media outlets also report that Putin was recently seen on a live TV broadcast?
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 07:58:50 PM »
Something is going on in Moscow, that's for sure. Helicopters are all over Moscow today, especially in the Kremlin area.For those who understand Russian:http://t.co/WBkv1xhE0O

WOW!!! This is really interesting!!!!
Thanks, Ms. Krassie.
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2015, 09:18:51 PM »
  Damn this is terrible news for North Korea, Putin is forgiving 10 billion in debt, and willing to invest the other billion in DPNK to extract resources.
 
 Do you think the Kremlin is still rehashing that old CCCP tale about its leaders having a chest cold, and the next thing you know is the guy is dead?

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/north-korea-and-russia-forge-%e2%80%98year-of-friendship%e2%80%99-pariah-alliance/ar-AA9GbGk?ocid=BDT5DHP#fullstory
 
Russia and North Korea have announced they will deepen economic and political ties under the banner of a “year of friendship” – a development that could further complicate the west’s attempts to deal with an increasingly belligerent Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un’s recalcitrant regime in Pyongyang.

The prospect of closer co-operation between Putin’s Kremlin and a pariah state with realistic nuclear ambitions will dismay the US, Britain and other countries hoping to pressure Pyongyang into ditching its ambitions to become a nuclear power, and to dissuade Russia from fuelling the war in Ukraine.

North Korean state media said the two countries had agreed to make 2015 a “year of friendship” to mark the 70th anniversary of “Korea’s liberation and the victory in the great Patriotic War in Russia” – references to the defeats of Japan and Nazi Germany in 1945.

KCNA said the countries would “develop the bilateral relations on to a new higher stage in various fields, including politics, economy and culture under a mutual agreement”. The Russian foreign ministry said the agreement was designed to elevate ties “in the political, economic, humanitarian and other areas to a new level”.

The Kremlin confirmed it had invited North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to visit Moscow on 9 May to mark the anniversary of the end of the second word war in Europe.

The trip would be Kim’s first outside North Korea since he became leader of regime following the death of his father, Kim Jong-il, in late 2011. The older Kim visited Russia in August 2011 in his armoured train for a meeting with then Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev.

The friendship agreement was announced on the same day that officials in Berlin said the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, would not attend the ceremony in Moscow – a snub believed to be in retaliation for Russia’s annexation of Crimea and its support for separatists in Ukraine.


The leaders in Moscow and Pyongyang appear to have much in the way of common cause. The UN has targeted North Korea with sanctions since it tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006, and is applying pressure on the Kremlin to end its military involvement in Ukraine.

The shift in North Korea’s diplomatic focus towards Russia has been accelerated by tensions with China, Pyongyang’s traditional ally and aid giver. China barely disguised its irritation with Kim after he ordered North Korea’s third nuclear test in 2013 and the execution later that year of his uncle, Jang Song-thaek, who had been instrumental in forging closer co-operation with Beijing. Chinese President Xi Jinping has yet to meet Kim; significantly, though, he has met South Korea’s president, Park Geun-hye, several times.

In an apparent attempt to counter Russian influence, China has approved increased co-operation with North Korea along their border and indicated it would be willing to hold a bilateral summit.

Xi and Kim could also find themselves face to face at the war commemorations in May.

Putin would doubtless welcome the international opprobrium that would follow a public appearance alongside Kim in Moscow this spring. North Korea, meanwhile, stands to gain financially and militarily from closer ties with Russia. In 2014 Moscow cancelled almost US$10bn, or 90%, of North Korea’s bilateral debt and said it would invest the remaining $1.09bn – to be paid back over 20 years – in infrastructure projects such as a cross-border gas pipeline between Russia and the North, and a rail link to South Korea.

Russia has also offered to invest $25bn in North Korea’s creaking rail network in return for access to mineral resources.

It remains to be seen how a closer the Putin-Kim relationship will affect international attempts to end the North’s nuclear weapons programme. Talks involving North Korea, Russia, the US, China, South Korea and Japan to reach a nuclear deal have been stalled since 2009.


North Korea is believed to possess between 10 and 16 nuclear weapons developed using plutonium or weapons-grade uranium. A recent report by US researchers warned that Pyongyang was poised to expand its nuclear programme over the next five years. A worst-case scenario would see it armed with as many as 100 nuclear weapons by end of the decade, the report said.

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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2015, 09:37:32 PM »
  Damn this is terrible news for North Korea, Putin is forgiving 10 billion in debt, and willing to invest the other billion in DPNK to extract resources.
 
 Do you think the Kremlin is still rehashing that old CCCP tale about its leaders having a chest cold, and the next thing you know is the guy is dead?

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/north-korea-and-russia-forge-%e2%80%98year-of-friendship%e2%80%99-pariah-alliance/ar-AA9GbGk?ocid=BDT5DHP#fullstory
 
Russia and North Korea have announced they will deepen economic and political ties under the banner of a “year of friendship” – a development that could further complicate the west’s attempts to deal with an increasingly belligerent Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un’s recalcitrant regime in Pyongyang.

The prospect of closer co-operation between Putin’s Kremlin and a pariah state with realistic nuclear ambitions will dismay the US, Britain and other countries hoping to pressure Pyongyang into ditching its ambitions to become a nuclear power, and to dissuade Russia from fuelling the war in Ukraine.

North Korean state media said the two countries had agreed to make 2015 a “year of friendship” to mark the 70th anniversary of “Korea’s liberation and the victory in the great Patriotic War in Russia” – references to the defeats of Japan and Nazi Germany in 1945.

KCNA said the countries would “develop the bilateral relations on to a new higher stage in various fields, including politics, economy and culture under a mutual agreement”. The Russian foreign ministry said the agreement was designed to elevate ties “in the political, economic, humanitarian and other areas to a new level”.

The Kremlin confirmed it had invited North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to visit Moscow on 9 May to mark the anniversary of the end of the second word war in Europe.

The trip would be Kim’s first outside North Korea since he became leader of regime following the death of his father, Kim Jong-il, in late 2011. The older Kim visited Russia in August 2011 in his armoured train for a meeting with then Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev.

The friendship agreement was announced on the same day that officials in Berlin said the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, would not attend the ceremony in Moscow – a snub believed to be in retaliation for Russia’s annexation of Crimea and its support for separatists in Ukraine.


The leaders in Moscow and Pyongyang appear to have much in the way of common cause. The UN has targeted North Korea with sanctions since it tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006, and is applying pressure on the Kremlin to end its military involvement in Ukraine.

The shift in North Korea’s diplomatic focus towards Russia has been accelerated by tensions with China, Pyongyang’s traditional ally and aid giver. China barely disguised its irritation with Kim after he ordered North Korea’s third nuclear test in 2013 and the execution later that year of his uncle, Jang Song-thaek, who had been instrumental in forging closer co-operation with Beijing. Chinese President Xi Jinping has yet to meet Kim; significantly, though, he has met South Korea’s president, Park Geun-hye, several times.

In an apparent attempt to counter Russian influence, China has approved increased co-operation with North Korea along their border and indicated it would be willing to hold a bilateral summit.

Xi and Kim could also find themselves face to face at the war commemorations in May.

Putin would doubtless welcome the international opprobrium that would follow a public appearance alongside Kim in Moscow this spring. North Korea, meanwhile, stands to gain financially and militarily from closer ties with Russia. In 2014 Moscow cancelled almost US$10bn, or 90%, of North Korea’s bilateral debt and said it would invest the remaining $1.09bn – to be paid back over 20 years – in infrastructure projects such as a cross-border gas pipeline between Russia and the North, and a rail link to South Korea.

Russia has also offered to invest $25bn in North Korea’s creaking rail network in return for access to mineral resources.

It remains to be seen how a closer the Putin-Kim relationship will affect international attempts to end the North’s nuclear weapons programme. Talks involving North Korea, Russia, the US, China, South Korea and Japan to reach a nuclear deal have been stalled since 2009.


North Korea is believed to possess between 10 and 16 nuclear weapons developed using plutonium or weapons-grade uranium. A recent report by US researchers warned that Pyongyang was poised to expand its nuclear programme over the next five years. A worst-case scenario would see it armed with as many as 100 nuclear weapons by end of the decade, the report said.

For Putin dealing with North Korea is better than dealing with China. When Putin's dealing with China I'm sure China has made sure that Putin understands that Russia is subordinate to China's wishes. With North Korea, Putin can at least feel that Russia is in charge of the relationship.
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 09:43:47 AM »
Is something seriously wrong with Putin? The Russian government released footage of the "perfectly healthy" 62-year-old leader meeting with Supreme Court chairman Vyacheslav Lebedev to discuss judicial reform systems — except, the world has already seen this video, in October.

If the Russian government is truly trying to fool the Russian public with recycled TV footage of Putin there must be something wrong with Putin.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/putins-reappearance-lie-hes-sight-150453763.html
http://www.kremlin.ru/news/47847
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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 10:50:51 AM »

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Re: Media Report Concerns on Putin's Health
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2015, 12:15:35 PM »
My guess is that this is not an illness. Is anyone else 'missing' or have other people been popping in and out of sight?
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