starting over, how would you begin?

[Tom Cat]

If I decide to spend a month in Ukraine, maybe it would be to my advantage to spend part of the time in smaller cities in western Ukraine.
Has anyone tried Vinnytsya, Rivne or L'viv?

I've been to Lvov. It's a beautiful city.

Thanks Larry
When you were in Lvov, did you happen to notice if there were any beautiful women? 

[Larry]

If I decide to spend a month in Ukraine, maybe it would be to my advantage to spend part of the time in smaller cities in western Ukraine.
Has anyone tried Vinnytsya, Rivne or L'viv?

I've been to Lvov. It's a beautiful city.

Thanks Larry
When you were in Lvov, did you happen to notice if there were any beautiful women? 

Yes, there were. Here's a photo of one:

[cufflinks]

With priceline and Airbnb deals very attractive in Russia (Sochi) and Ukraine what are the top ten cities to visit in Ukraine besides the tourist traps in Kiev and Odessa and out side of the combat areas from Mariupol to Donetsk to Lugansk conflict region?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/map-ukraine-conflict-alarming-112109766.html

That map's from last September.

Did they suddenly move Mariupol, Donestsk and Lughansk?

Combat Zones still focused in this general area last I checked though random crime of opportunity  increasing all over UA except perhaps Crimea under defacto marshall law ... well except for the "authorities" there.

[cufflinks]

http://www.returnofkings.com/59617/4-ways-a-good-international-matchmaking-service-can-help-you-find-a-wife

$1200 for a hands on matchmaking service not to bad considering.

However I have upgraded my LuckyLovers.net account (3 mos $39.99) and the site is full of absolutely stunning ladies in both Russia and Ukraine many who have checked the box "Willing to relocate - now!"

Many LL ladies also indicate no interest in pen pal chats that go nowhere - men of action who know how to lead only - all others need not apply!

[Donhollio]

If I decide to spend a month in Ukraine, maybe it would be to my advantage to spend part of the time in smaller cities in western Ukraine.
Has anyone tried Vinnytsya, Rivne or L'viv?

 I have never been, but I have a friend from Vinnytsya. She found her man via social media and just recently moved to Malta and got married. It's a nice looking city from the photos she would show, and I would think one would have a pleasant time in her city.

[msmoby]

I'd check out the dating sites that have English and Russian - dmnotify.com or mamba.ru and look for someone who might not have considered a western partner - profile in Russian.

Many ladies become disillusioned when guys write, but don't go. So don't start a campaign without knowing you'll go.


Learn some basic Russian phrases.


If you found someone interesting, check them out on a social media site. You may learn a lot or wish to avoid as the photos are less of the studio sort.


Don't be 'afraid' to go somewhere different - or needing a visa.


For me, dedicate a trip to one lady. She'll appreciate the effort and know you are serious.

BE CONFIDENT and HONEST



 

[Tom Cat]

If I decide to spend a month in Ukraine, maybe it would be to my advantage to spend part of the time in smaller cities in western Ukraine.
Has anyone tried Vinnytsya, Rivne or L'viv?

I've been to Lvov. It's a beautiful city.

Thanks Larry
When you were in Lvov, did you happen to notice if there were any beautiful women? 

Yes, there were. Here's a photo of one:

She is a bit young, but a a real beauty.
Would you make a return trip if you had the opportunity?

[Tom Cat]

If I decide to spend a month in Ukraine, maybe it would be to my advantage to spend part of the time in smaller cities in western Ukraine.
Has anyone tried Vinnytsya, Rivne or L'viv?

 I have never been, but I have a friend from Vinnytsya. She found her man via social media and just recently moved to Malta and got married. It's a nice looking city from the photos she would show, and I would think one would have a pleasant time in her city.

Thanks Don,
I'm really giving consideration to spending a few weeks in western Ukraine.

[Tom Cat]

How much has the MOB industry effected Ukraine?
The majority of the ladies you will find on MOB sites are under the age of 27.
These are the girls that are too young to be taken as serious prospects.

Those that are now closing in on 30 and older, will be looking for a husband locally or from abroad.
Those that have been part of the MOB industry, do understand only limited amount of opportunities will come their way.
If you are a good catch she won't let you get away.

I don't know the exact number, but the way to MOB INDUSTRY has died down I would doubt there are more than 20 thousand active on the pro dating circuit.

That leaves a large number of eligible ladies in Ukraine.

[Larry]

She is a bit young, but a a real beauty.
Would you make a return trip if you had the opportunity?

Yes, certainly. If anyone goes there I highly recommend the vareniki at the Hotel Opera's Restaurant. It's the best I've ever had. It also served the best potato dish I've ever had in my life. I think they were fried but then put into a mold or form to cook in the oven. Wonderful taste and texture.

[Tom Cat]

I received some very good advice, and took some time to reflect on my life.
Sometimes we rush into things before we are ready.

Those that have had success understand you need to give 100 %,  you need to be not only physically but also mentally ready.

I still plan to focus on Ukrainian women, but I have noticed that there seems to be more positive TR's from those who have went to Ukraine over the past few months.
The last few years there were countless men almost all telling the same story.
I'm sure there are more motivated women in Ukraine now than a couple years ago, only now one needs to be aware of the fact the women may now show interest and shy away from shopping to keep their options open.

Will be interesting to see how this evolves over the next couple years.
It's possible it could be much like it was back in the day, when any joker could become a mule.

[Danchik]

I still plan to focus on Ukrainian women, but I have noticed that there seems to be more positive TR's from those who have went to Ukraine over the past few months.

Why have you made the decision to focus on only Ukrainian women? I have never understood this thinking.

If, in your search, the woman you find is Ukrainian, great. I sincerely hope you're not being swayed by the no visa necessary nonsense, or the thought of an economically exploitive environment.

The last few years there were countless men almost all telling the same story.

Who are these countless men, and what stories are they telling you?

I haven't read about any real "success" stories on any forum, although I'm sure there might have been a few here and there, but certainly no more than from Russia, or Belarus for that matter.

I do know of Ukrainian women moving away to find love, but most moved to Russia.

I'm curious because you seem to be intent on focusing on an area and not the woman, not to mention what I would consider "odd" reasons for not even considering the place where you found success the first time.

[Tom Cat]

I still plan to focus on Ukrainian women, but I have noticed that there seems to be more positive TR's from those who have went to Ukraine over the past few months.

Why have you made the decision to focus on only Ukrainian women? I have never understood this thinking.

If, in your search, the woman you find is Ukrainian, great. I sincerely hope you're not being swayed by the no visa necessary nonsense, or the thought of an economically exploitive environment.

The last few years there were countless men almost all telling the same story.

Who are these countless men, and what stories are they telling you?

I haven't read about any real "success" stories on any forum, although I'm sure there might have been a few here and there, but certainly no more than from Russia, or Belarus for that matter.

I do know of Ukrainian women moving away to find love, but most moved to Russia.

I'm curious because you seem to be intent on focusing on an area and not the woman, not to mention what I would consider "odd" reasons for not even considering the place where you found success the first time.

Danchik,
For me it's a matter of personal choice to focus on Ukrainian women.
For me it would be very difficult to travel to Moscow, and relive memories of the past.
I loved my wife very much, so my choice is based on respect for her.

One would have to be naive to think women don't factor in their economic future when making the choice to marry and move to another country.
Quality of life matters. Look how Russian economy got stronger, and the Russian brides industry died.

Ukraine will be economically depressed for many years to come.
Women who once were content to date local men, might not see the life they aspire to live.
Of course you need to find a good woman your compatible with.
Without a strong commitment, you could become nothing more than a mule

[AvHdB]

For me it's a matter of personal choice to focus on Ukrainian women.
For me it would be very difficult to travel to Moscow, and relive memories of the past.
I loved my wife very much, so my choice is based on respect for her.

One would have to be naive to think women don't factor in their economic future when making the choice to marry and move to another country.
Quality of life matters. Look how Russian economy got stronger, and the Russian brides industry died.

Ukraine will be economically depressed for many years to come.
Women who once were content to date local men, might not see the life they aspire to live.
Of course you need to find a good woman your compatible with.
Without a strong commitment, you could become nothing more than a mule

TO BE CLEAR I AM REPLYING TO TWO DIFFERENT READERS OF THIS THREAD

To the lurkers if you think you can build or create a relationship with a woman from the (fSU) former Soviet Union based upon economic disparity (your wealth her poverty) save your pennies and hire a local cleaning woman. If you insist you might even find a woman who is prepared to work topless.

I can understand and respect the choice that TopCat points toward. There is nothing to prevent a woman from say Afarawaystan or Russia from meeting TopCat in Kiev.

Certainly a woman will consider your economic well being when she considers a move to a 'foreign' country.

[Stirlitz]

Was there a happy end?