The BBC Debate

[Anteros]

And you're the guy who goes on and on about "race relations" in the USA?  Heed your own advice mate.

Might you cobble that into something we can all understand?

Why bother.  If it doesn't contain enough anti-American propaganda, you will just delete it.   

[Manny]

Here ya go Moby, argue with this: Ofcom accuse BBC of airing ‘propaganda films’

For those over the pond who don't know, Ofcom is the government-approved regulatory authority for the broadcasting, telecommunications and postal industries of the United Kingdom.

Regulators claim BBC World News has breached sponsorship rules 20 times by airing ‘propaganda films’ promoting charities, NGO’s and foreign governments.
A 112-page report from media regulator Ofcom censures the broadcaster for what the Daily Mail has called a “blatant breach” of broadcast rules.

Ofcom warned of an “inherent risk to the BBC’s independence and integrity” as it emerged the state broadcaster purchased films funded by outside bodies and foreign governments for as little as £1.

As some here wont believe RT as a source, here is the BBC's watered down version blaming similarly impartial CNN.

That's Moby shot down in flames then.

[JeanClaude]

And you're the guy who goes on and on about "race relations" in the USA?  Heed your own advice mate.

The "my shits stinks better" is not helpfull.

The only "race" causing problems is the white liberal. You can point at the immigrant barbarians from the desert (Eurabia). But that is not the root cause of the problem.

Something Andreas Bravick understood very well (DISCLAIMER: I dont agree with his solution)

Hey Moby look, they wrote a book about your kind.

[Markje]

The only "race" causing problems is the white liberal. You can point at the immigrant barbarians from the desert (Eurabia). But that is not the root cause of the problem.

And don't forget the black/muslim whiners. Ohhh i didn't get the job. RACISM .... no bloke, you were denied because you weren't good enough or another candidate was better.

[JeanClaude]

 

[msmoby]

Ofcom accuse BBC of airing ‘propaganda films

It seems they screened content from NGOs and nations tourist organisations that cost less than 1 GBP


Reading the report in the Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/bbc-among-broadcasters-to-repeatedly-breach-ofcom-code-over-propaganda-content-10459743.html

I note that CNN and other organisations were also involved .

Regulators claim BBC World News has breached sponsorship rules 20 times by airing ‘propaganda films’ promoting charities, NGO’s and foreign governments.
A 112-page report from media regulator Ofcom censures the broadcaster for what the Daily Mail has called a “blatant breach” of broadcast rules.

Ofcom warned of an “inherent risk to the BBC’s independence and integrity” as it emerged the state broadcaster purchased films funded by outside bodies and foreign governments for as little as £1.

That's Moby shot down in flames then.

Hardly, it rather enforces my point - the BBC ARE accountable

You and I both know that the 'crime' was using content that was not prepared / vetted by the Beeb and not announced as such - note the wording of the - rightful criticism ..It said.

''the practice carried “inherent risk to independence and editorial integrity” and it has ordered an “industry-wide” meeting of news networks to address the matter.''


The practice was discovered by the UK Independent Newspaper and passed on to OffCom



Who 'regulates' Russia Today    ? Roskomnadzor ?   I can just see Novaya Gazeta passing on a complaint re Russia Today's editorial independence.... 


They are too busy making sure certain minority news media organisations cannot air ...''Russian media regulator denies registration to Crimean news outlets''

https://cpj.org/2015/03/russian-media-regulator-denies-registration-to-cri.php


In summary, you proved

1/the BBC aren't perfect

2/they are accountable

3/ their impartiality is a VITAL prerequisite and any risk to that must be addressed.


Thanks for demonstrating the HUGE difference in how the BBC and Russia Today operate and the checks and balances that western media outlets are subject to and the freedom of the press.

[JeanClaude]

@Moby dick:"..I note that CNN and other organisations were also involved.."

Ah, so because CNN is biased BCC can be biased too?

Liberal logic!

[JeanClaude]

And don't forget the black/muslim whiners.

You did exactly this:

You can point at the immigrant barbarians from the desert (Eurabia).

But i clearly said:

But that is not the root cause of the problem.

Importing loosers and leeches, muliticulti-shit is a side effect of white liberal and his racefettish, I am interested in root causes!
You don't read too well don't you?

[msmoby]

@Moby dick:"..I note that CNN and other organisations were also involved.."

Ah, so because CNN is biased BCC can be biased too?

Liberal logic!

JC, my 'logi'c was simply stating that that OFCOM had pointed out that other western media outlets - incl. CNN - had indulged in the same practice

BTW You keep making the mistake of labelling me a 'liberal' - as if it was some badge of dishonour ..  Unless you are right of Atilla the Hun - I would describe my politics as right of centre .

Due to my having lived in three other EU nations, I happen to be a 'fan' of the principle of Freedom of movement for EU citizens and their families - this may be 'confusing' you... 

IF you ever settle down with a nice FSUW- I think you might find the Swiss attitude to immigration rather limiting.

[msmoby]

You don't read too well don't you?

Well, it seems our JC demonstrated he doesn't read what he posts ... check out double negatives.. he just paid Markje a compliment

[Markje]

You don't read too well don't you?

I can read just fine.

Imagine all those muslim/black whiners who CAN vote. If they CAN vote, they can change the politics, if they can change the politics, they can change the policies. And then the ball rolls further, and further, and further.

How'd you think a black president like obama was chosen. Because he isn't a whiner, he made something of his life and didn't scream racism at every drawback.

[JeanClaude]

You don't read too well don't you?

I can read just fine.

Oh your eyes work, I am not denying that, you see the letters, now google what "root cause" means.

Blacks are 12.9% of the US population (including people to young to vote etc.) ,..., most people voting Obama were....white! You get that?

Typical Dutchy excusing traitors because of their color! how racist!
Is this because you have leftist voters in your family?

[JeanClaude]

How'd you think a black president like obama was chosen. Because he isn't a whiner, h

Holy  !  If playing the race card was an olympic sport Obama would win gold everytime.

[Anteros]

How'd you think a black president like obama was chosen. Because he isn't a whiner, h

Holy  !  If playing the race card was an olympic sport Obama would win gold everytime.

+1,000!   

[Manny]

One that some here will enjoy........

[JeanClaude]

Sounds like FAIR AND BALANCED, to me, riiiight

One that some here will enjoy........

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[Wiz]

One that some here will enjoy........

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That can'y be true Manny. 

The BBC is the Bastion of truth and run by lefties...... the Tory supporters were telling us and not by the Jews and Zionists!

Thanks for the image.....

PS: I bet that Moby will accuse you of something....... 

[msmoby]

Why would I accuse Manny of anything? Max made the accusation and it should be thoroughly investigated.

Te BBC is supposed to be impartial...

I'm sure he formally complained abd someone can writet to the BBC under the Freedom of information Act..

A job for you, Wiz.....

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[Manny]

Why would I accuse Manny of anything? Max made the accusation and it should be thoroughly investigated.

Te BBC is supposed to be impartial...

I'm sure he formally complained abd someone can writet to the BBC under the Freedom of information Act..

A job for you, Wiz.....

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Are you so naive? I think no......

[Wiz]

Why would I accuse Manny of anything? Max made the accusation and it should be thoroughly investigated.

Te BBC is supposed to be impartial...

I'm sure he formally complained abd someone can writet to the BBC under the Freedom of information Act..

A job for you, Wiz.....

Sorry old chum

Not my job to research the truth about your "Impartial BBC".... you are the expert, check it .... instead of throwing the ball to the spectators.

While on the job, take a look also at their programming. I am sure you will find between all theirs programs once a week a program with a subject referring to Jews. I don't remember you disputed anything from my previous long post about the Jews.

My self, I am neither interested about the "Impartiality of the BBC", neither wish to waste my time. I have better things to do with my life. unlike you! 

PS: You have not answered my question about the mother of the murdered Ukrainian Jurno and his wife! Did you miss it?

[msmoby]

Are you so naive? I think no......

I am a trusting kind of bloke and may be I am naive, but what has that got to do with 'our Max's' reason for resigning  ?

As you WELL know, he could create quite a stink with his accusation - if he followed it through

Not my job to research the truth about your "Impartial BBC".... you are the expert, check it .... instead of throwing the ball to the spectators.

Lazy chap ... the ball was thrown into the ring by Manny and Max - Max should have followed it through

While on the job, take a look also at their programming. I am sure you will find between all theirs programs once a week a program with a subject referring to Jews. I don't remember you disputed anything from my previous long post about the Jews.

I honestly missed it ... because I would have laughed at you and your 'theory' ..

My self, I am neither interested about the "Impartiality of the BBC", neither wish to waste my time. I have better things to do with my life. unlike you! 

YES, I noticed ...It is 'ok' to support someone else, without any evidence of the accusation, when it suits ...

PS: You have not answered my question about the mother of the murdered Ukrainian Jurno and his wife! Did you miss it?

I saw the question and I was just about to go out and thought a simple  'no'  might seem rude.

[Wiz]

Moby

Cut the crap. When you have nothing to say, overwhelmed by the evidence...... you play ignorant!

I am busy entertaining my MA Law..... did you forget?

You missed that long post and evidence?

Pool the other one old chum, as you know everything were true.

Now going out for a coffee...... bye... for now! 

[msmoby]

Wiz, it appears the stress of your extra house guest may be getting to you.

Your 'evidence' proved nought other than a possible intolerance to certain etnic groups.

Not responding to a post of yours is more likely a factor of disbelief or disinterest rather than 'acceptence'.

Enjoy MiL

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[Manny]

As you WELL know, he could create quite a stink with his accusation - if he followed it through

Not really. I think at the BBC, saying nothing negative about Israel goes hand in hand with bigging up Muslims and saying Putin/Russia is bad. They have their "policies" and having ones own opinion or citing facts that disprove their position is discouraged. Anyone who speaks out gets fired as we saw with female presenters of a certain vintage.

I was asked to go on a BBC Sunday morning breakfast telly thing a few months ago. The subject was EU rules pertaining to something I know about. I asked the producer what was their intended slant, and if it was pro-EU, bigging up said useless regulations, my view differed. He feigned ignorance, said they had no "slant", did some bleating about impartiality, then never called me back with the time the car was to pick me up. 

[msmoby]

I think at the BBC, saying nothing negative about Israel goes hand in hand with bigging up Muslims and saying Putin/Russia is bad. They have their "policies" and having ones own opinion or citing facts that disprove their position is discouraged. Anyone who speaks out gets fired as we saw with female presenters of a certain vintage.

You are getting mixed up, Manny

The BBC brought one of RT's 'experts' on -just after the Boeing incident in Donbas and he put the Kremlin slant and was subject to cross examination

When reporting from Donbas the Beeb used reporters that were allowed to and reported both sides of the story

I don't see any RT lady reporters past their early 40's if you are referring to ageism  - which a tribunal found the BBEB guilty of ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12167711

Whoops - there ARE checks and balances and the BEEB is accountable for ageism, racism of impartiality - as cases have shown. I wonder how many other TV stns have such accountability  ?

The more you 'protest', the more you demonstrate that the BEEB is open to scrutiny and Max's suggestion should be investigated

I was asked to go on a BBC Sunday morning breakfast telly thing a few months ago. The subject was EU rules pertaining to something I know about. I asked the producer what was their intended slant, and if it was pro-EU, bigging up said useless regulations, my view differed. He feigned ignorance, said they had no "slant", did some bleating about impartiality, then never called me back with the time the car was to pick me up. 

Perhaps, they simply found someone else, didn't run the slot or the Producer simply didn't 'gel' with you .....