Anastasia started the court against EM Online (Elenasmodels) and me.

[Halo]

and in hat is few more rabbits

You need more than some rabbits.

Large IMB's have a precedent for taking down incoherent protest sites. Especially ones that used their names in domains and file extensions.

You chose to spend that money. You chose to send a woman a credit card.

How can you blame Adate for your choices?

He may have chosen to spend money, but he assumed he was dealing with a reputable and honest business.  If ADate placed prominently on their site that some women are paid to be there, and may not be interested in you beyond what they can drag out of you monetarily, I would agree with you.  As is, it appears they are a bunch of shysters preying on the lonely, the vulnerable, and at times, the stupid.

[Barbossa]

Personally, I don't even see the need for this particular website.  The reality is, that if ADate needs to suffer any type of website, the one in question is the one I would want in opposition.  It looks like a joke and certainly does not do a good job of discrediting ADate.

The reality is that Finland is not a hot spot for ADate activity.

Hit ADate where they hurt, then you might see some real action.  Get them to have to admit publicly that the majority of women are getting paid and you will have proved your point.  But that is an elusive target.

Absent that, to ADate you are simply someone who will never get out of the minor leagues (American Baseball term).  Their target on this lawsuit was Elena's Models, who they compete unfavorably with. 

In my opinion, and the opinion of most of the members of this forum, a subscription site does not have as many scammers because there is no incentive to keep a man talking.  Fees are earned by subscription.  You can talk to the lady as long as you wish.   It is a much more honest way of doing business. 

Of course ADate knows this, and, therefore targets Elena's any way possible. 

[TomT]

http://www.anastasiadate.com/anastasia-anti-scam-policy.html

Their "anti-scam" policy is written in such a way as to offer no protection against fraud that might occur at the IMB level. It was probably an oversight. 

[Ladine]

Oh my goodness!

So here is my story...
She was not she at all!

The getting of wisdom can be expensive.

. . .  I decided to reject all doubts ...
. . . All seemed to go well ...

Do you do this in normal daily life?

I was infatuated. I decided to send this "Galina" one Mastercard.
I did so and I sent a new card "sister" address.

I have a bridge for sale, interested?

We spoke to dozens of hours on the phone and I sent her money.
I was happy.

Three times? Well you were happy?

More than a month later I received a message on facebook ... It was from Galina.
Part of message "The girl with whom you talked on the phone, it was not me."

Well at least she was honest with you.

So, Galina was the first place someone else ... and I chatted with a real Galina only twice (April 18, 2012).
In my view, the site did not offer safety at all. I did not get any warning, even the site was aware of the situation.

Common Sense is not your strong suit?

I am sorry for what happened, honest women in Ukraine and Russia would not have behaved towards you in the way of what happened. But do you not realize that your own naivety has contributed to your experience.

After this, I had two women ... Both said they loved me.  I was trying to figure out whom I was in love with ... this take over 6 month and finally I find out that they want only money 

This "love story" came to pay me thousands of euros. And can I never again trust anyone ...

 just pathetic...

I assume you paid thousand of Euro's - what I do not understand you are in fact from Europe, perhaps Benelux or the Iberian peninsula?

Curious how many lottery tickets do you purchase in a week? Seriously you went back again?

Sorry I know I sound harsh but you do not have the common sense or intelligence for a cross cultural relationship. Normally I will give suggestions to a newbie - but your tale is a new low point. You have shown such a complete disregard to the faculties that the Lord gave you, that your teachers tried to teach and I assume your parents tried to instill in you. The problem you can not go to the above for a refund. And I tend to doubt based on your actions that Anastasia will offer any refund.

the wisest member of the forum is still a Av.
sorry that I can not find a such wise guy.

all the facts are against the guy. With the Ukrainian Woman Sues useless. Is that the only close Anastasia. This should be done for a long time.

By the way Ed. I forgot to add yesterday. Reviews of Russian search engines are very bad. I do not know why you can not find. A lot of facts Russian indignation about their work and payment. help find it?

[andrewfi]

andrewfi  I have news to you... EM online is not part of this court case anymore ... "On August 16, 2013, Defendant EM Online Pty LTD ("EM Online") moved to dismiss the Complaint for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. (ECF No. 33.) For the reasons stated below, EM Online's Motion to Dismiss is GRANTED." and "For the aforementioned reasons, defendant EM Online's motion to dismiss pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) is GRANTED. The Clerk of Court is directed to close the Motion at ECF No. 33. The Court further awards reasonable attorneys' fees and costs to EM Online."

Elenas Models legal rep did their job. Data was shared demonstrating that EM were not a valid target and you did nothing.
You need to be deciding what to do about your site. This is about you. Nothing changed on August 16th except that Adate now know that your little site is unconnected with EM, that's their fact finding going on according to an established procedure.

There are no rabbits because until I told you a few hours ago what was going to happen you probably had no idea. The rest is an administrative process that continues with or without your participation.

The real truth here is that you need to be addressing the issues that you allowed to cause you grief in dealing with Adate because those isues were, in the end, down to you. Those same issues are behind your revenge site and the dumbass choice to promote by reccomendation and a link another business in exactly the same niche as Adate.

You see, even if Adate were to be Satan's earthly representatives, which thay are not, ALL the choices were yours including sending money to people you have not met which is in direct contravention of Adate's strong exhortations about dealing with their female clientele.

Who can protect you from yourself?

[missAmeno]

So Elena's Models is out of court case, Anastasiadatefraud still in and what did RUA to get off the hook? 

[Eduard]

By the way Ed. I forgot to add yesterday. Reviews of Russian search engines are very bad. I do not know why you can not find. A lot of facts Russian indignation about their work and payment. help find it?

I don't understand what you are trying to say...Russian?

[Ladine]

By the way Ed. I forgot to add yesterday. Reviews of Russian search engines are very bad. I do not know why you can not find. A lot of facts Russian indignation about their work and payment. help find it?

I don't understand what you are trying to say...Russian?

я хочу сказать что в русских поисковиках эта " хвалебная" реклама Адейт  очень далека от тех рекламных статей  о которых вы писали. и люди в негодовании о работе сайта Анастасия. Не только те кто в поиске но и те кто работал на филиалах. они уже даже те копейки что люди заработали пытаются забрать любым путем.  и все это очень легко найти в русских вариантах  запроса. если это конечно поможет делу. в чем я очень сомневаюсь

так что отзывы с русской стороны  очень не лестны

[Eduard]

By the way Ed. I forgot to add yesterday. Reviews of Russian search engines are very bad. I do not know why you can not find. A lot of facts Russian indignation about their work and payment. help find it?

I don't understand what you are trying to say...Russian?

я хочу сказать что в русских поисковиках эта " хвалебная" реклама Адейт  очень далека от тех рекламных статей  о которых вы писали. и люди в негодовании о работе сайта Анастасия. Не только те кто в поиске но и те кто работал на филиалах. они уже даже те копейки что люди заработали пытаются забрать любым путем.  и все это очень легко найти в русских вариантах  запроса. если это конечно поможет делу. в чем я очень сомневаюсь

так что отзывы с русской стороны  очень не лестны

Oh I see... well the reviews are not very good on Western sites either, when you find the real ones (IMO) that is. Even if you read the ones on that link I provided http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.anastasiadate.com  they all pretty much say the same thing if you start from the oldest review, until you get to the most recent ones that are IN MY OPINION "damage control reviews". You should note the dates of those reviews - the real ones (in my opinion) are spread over a pretty wide stretch of time from 11/05/11 through 08/23/13. Not one positive feed back in over 2 years.

Then suddenly a bunch of positive reviews were all written from 09/02/13 through  09/17/13 (with just a couple of negative ones mixed in)... Call me a skeptic, but TO ME it doesn't smell right...  What do you guys think?

[missAmeno]

Ed, Internet PR Agencies have been around for a long time now. The only thing stange here is that Adate didn't use one earlier.

[Ladine]

ну конечно. А какой умный человек поверит теперь в положительные отзывы? только идиоты с пеленой на глазах и пеной у рта от пестроты гламурных жоп

[Ladine]

rus .....

http://forum.searchengines.ru/showthread.php?t=314950

здесь интересно почитать о мужчинах с EM

http://from-russia.org/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=75

еще од Анастасии.... архив

http://forum.od.ua/archive/index.php?t-1244146.html

о Мамбе .....

http://irecommend.ru/content/eto-yavno-ne-sait-znakomstv

и снова Анастасия. читаем комментарии.....

http://uaseo.net/dating-partnerki/38

 еще найти?

сайты Paradiz, svadba.com Zamuzh.com,   и много других подобных сайтов есть филиалы( партнерки ) Анастасии.

[Manny]

He may have chosen to spend money, but he assumed he was dealing with a reputable and honest business.  If ADate placed prominently on their site that some women are paid to be there, and may not be interested in you beyond what they can drag out of you monetarily, I would agree with you.  As is, it appears they are a bunch of shysters preying on the lonely, the vulnerable, and at times, the stupid.

It has not been proved that some women are paid that I saw.

If men choose to contact unsuitable or too young women, that is their look out. We don't need legislation to prevent idiocy.

For me, normally socialised men would not send women they don't know credit cards. We don't need legislation to prevent idiocy.

For me, a business need not create its model for "the lonely, the vulnerable, and at times, the stupid". If adults who make a choice pay their money and take a punt, that is up to them. Read the T&C's, do the due diligence.

We know already that 95% are fantasists who will never get on a plane. We also know that some guys here married women from Adate.

[sashathecat]

It has not been proved that some women are paid that I saw.

We know already that 95% are fantasists who will never get on a plane. We also know that some guys here married women from Adate.

I am pretty sure the guys here who married women from Adate have been pretty upfront that their wives were in fact paid to work for affiliates associated to the company in question.

[TomT]

Then suddenly a bunch of positive reviews were all written from 09/02/13 through  09/17/13 (with just a couple of negative ones mixed in)... Call me a skeptic, but TO ME it doesn't smell right...  What do you guys think?

The clump of positive reviews aren't credible and many of them seem to be written by the same person.

[chelseaboy]

Manny,

             What would you like as proof that "marriage" agency girls in Ukraine are paid to sit on webcam at all times of the day and night and chat ?

Their wage slips ? 

As for men contacting in your words "unsuitable or too young women",well who are you to determine that ?

There are forum members who are happily married to women with a large age-gap.
Are you claiming their wives are too young now or when they met ?
Where was their "idiocy" ?

p.s,I know it's not Anastasia,but I just had a look at the HRB/RLM site.It's 5am Ukrainian time,and there is a 36 ,a 52,and a 53 year old woman chatting live on webcam,among all the twenty somethings.

Which men would those women be "too young" for ?

Enlighten us all.

[sashathecat]

Manny,

             What would you like as proof that "marriage" agency girls in Ukraine are paid to sit on webcam at all times of the day and night and chat ?

Their wage slips ? 

I think my wife has her bank statements showing direct deposits from the agency? 

[chelseaboy]

Sasha,

          Yes,but then you'd be asked where is the evidence she'd actually been paid for chatting.

Some people on here would rather believe Anastasia than your wife..you know how it works.

[Larry]

Manny,

             What would you like as proof that "marriage" agency girls in Ukraine are paid to sit on webcam at all times of the day and night and chat ?

Their wage slips ? 

I think my wife has her bank statements showing direct deposits from the agency? 

You're wasting your effort, Sasha. You could post bank statements from your wife from the agency and Adate's defenders would respond:

1. how do we know that any part of those payments are in exchange for communicating with guys?
2. even if you could produce contracts that called for payments to her in exchange for communication with guys (contracts which I doubt exist) - well, maybe she was paid in part for communicating with guys, but she is among a small group of girls who are paid for communicating with guys; most girls at agencies are not paid for communicating with guys.
3. she is likely dishonest and could be expected to deceive you about her nefarious activities.

There is no evidence that it's possible to gather that would satisfy any of Adate's defenders.  That's an important point to keep in mind when Adate's defenders rear their heads.  Adate's defenders fall into two groups:

1. those who are compensated for defending them
2. lackeys of group 1

[Isthmus]

I can't believe how many keystrokes are wasted pontificating on Adate 

Its so obvious that its not a site for a realistic search for a wife (notwithstanding the fact that every now and then someone finds the proverbial needle in the Adate haystack).

When I came across Adate I explored the site thoroughly and quickly surmised that there was something amiss and googled around and that is how I found RUA.

Some folks may have a legitimate commercial interest in spit polishing Adate, understand that and then move on. If you are seriously searching for a wife from the FSU you will give PPL sites a wide berth.

[AJ]

I can't believe how many keystrokes are wasted pontificating on Adate 

Its so obvious that its not a site for a realistic search for a wife (notwithstanding the fact that every now and then someone finds the proverbial needle in the Adate haystack).

When I came across Adate I explored the site thoroughly and quickly surmised that there was something amiss and googled around and that is how I found RUA.

Some folks may have a legitimate commercial interest in spit polishing Adate, understand that and then move on. If you are seriously searching for a wife from the FSU you will give PPL sites a wide berth.

And that folks, is why i bother posting my opinion in these type threads at all.
Keeps those good ol' google hits a flowing.Forums do that very well.

[TomT]

If you are seriously searching for a wife from the FSU you will give PPL sites a wide berth.

After IMBRA was implemented, I gave all agency sites a wide berth and focused on forums. There were fewer pretty pictures but vastly more sincere women. This is not to say that I couldn't have found good prospects on IMB sites; I preferred to search in the arena that gave me the greatest competitive advantage.


p.s

Nowadays, social sites are gaining strength and I expect them to be the wave of the future. (The guys will simply have to learn to be their own search function.)

[Isthmus]

One of the best tips I picked up here was to use sites like LL & EM.

But I agree, social sites are becoming increasingly significant.

Messenger apps on smart phones area great way to continue communication. And yes, smart phones are quite prevalent in the FSU.

[Slumba]

I think my wife has her bank statements showing direct deposits from the agency? 

Goodness, even that won't be enough.  They will ask for proof she isn't a plumber who had to regularly maintain the premises.

Leave the ADate fellatrixes to their own devices.

[el_guero]

Sasha,

          Yes,but then you'd be asked where is the evidence she'd actually been paid for chatting.

Some people on here would rather believe Anastasia than your wife..you know how it works.

Some of us do.