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Cost of living in Ukraine
MND:
Has the cost of living in Ukraine gotten out of control.
Nat has been there for 6 weeks now and she says the cost of everything has now gotten ridiculous bread, milk, potatoes, bus fares, taxis, electricity, gas etc is up by at least 200% if not more compared to this time last year.
She says many people in her town just can not afford to pay the un-stopable price hikes on everything that are currently going on overthere especially on basic food items she says familys that live in the cities and dont grow there own food are really struggling at the moment.
Manny:
--- Quote from: Schastlivyj on August 15, 2010, 09:56:22 AM --- gas etc is up by at least 200% if not more compared to this time last year.
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Isn't that because Ukraine was stealing gas from Russia's pipelines last year and now it is paying it back via a price increase?
Voyager:
--- Quote from: Manny on August 15, 2010, 12:03:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Schastlivyj on August 15, 2010, 09:56:22 AM --- gas etc is up by at least 200% if not more compared to this time last year.
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Isn't that because Ukraine was stealing gas from Russia's pipelines last year and now it is paying it back via a price increase?
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No, I think it was because they were getting a cut-rate deal from Russia before, but gas & oil are now moving up to market prices.
Manny:
--- Quote from: Voyager on August 15, 2010, 01:42:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Manny on August 15, 2010, 12:03:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Schastlivyj on August 15, 2010, 09:56:22 AM --- gas etc is up by at least 200% if not more compared to this time last year.
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Isn't that because Ukraine was stealing gas from Russia's pipelines last year and now it is paying it back via a price increase?
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No, I think it was because they were getting a cut-rate deal from Russia before, but gas & oil are now moving up to market prices.
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Oh, is that the official line? :chuckle:
--- Quote ---"The Ukrainian side openly admits it is stealing gas and is not ashamed of this," Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov said.
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--- Quote ---Alexei Miller, CEO of Gazprom, said on Thursday he wanted Ukraine to pay $418 per 1,000 cubic metres (tcm) of gas, compared with the $179.5 Kiev paid in 2008. Ukraine says the most it can afford to pay is $235.
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ecocks:
--- Quote from: Manny on August 15, 2010, 01:45:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Voyager on August 15, 2010, 01:42:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Manny on August 15, 2010, 12:03:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Schastlivyj on August 15, 2010, 09:56:22 AM --- gas etc is up by at least 200% if not more compared to this time last year.
--- End quote ---
Isn't that because Ukraine was stealing gas from Russia's pipelines last year and now it is paying it back via a price increase?
--- End quote ---
No, I think it was because they were getting a cut-rate deal from Russia before, but gas & oil are now moving up to market prices.
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Oh, is that the official line? :chuckle:
--- Quote ---"The Ukrainian side openly admits it is stealing gas and is not ashamed of this," Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov said.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---Alexei Miller, CEO of Gazprom, said on Thursday he wanted Ukraine to pay $418 per 1,000 cubic metres (tcm) of gas, compared with the $179.5 Kiev paid in 2008. Ukraine says the most it can afford to pay is $235.
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Well that was Gazprom's official line at least. Ukraine's official version was that they were holding a reserve for leakage and interruptions. Still it's not like any of that was being stolen and used by the average citizen. Just as so many of the Russian firefighting planes were leased out to other countries when they were needed, some oligarch was probably profiteering by selling off the reserves. It happens.
My understanding in Ukraine is that prices on groceries are up but have been stable for the last few months and housing is still at a 5-7 year low. Utility prices are rising rapidly as the IMF requirements for reduced subsidies on utilities are implemented. Gasoline prices are rising as well.
Not too surprising given their government and the fatalistic stoicism of the population. It's easy to see why the Holodomar happened since they apparently just intend to follow, herd-like, in whatever direction the government tells them. Starvation, inflation, unemployment, forzen pensions, uncontrolled heating, no hot water for weeks at a time, if the government tells them it MUST be done then so be it.
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