Womens Day 8 March

[mendeleyev]

March 8: men => women; ALL WOMEN now, though originally it was a celebration for working women. Are you still not able to see the difference?

Naturally, I do. I also see a lot of RM who do nothing on Valentine's day but lavish flowers, chocolates and wines on their lovers on 8 March, too.   

[msmoby]

Hi Ms Mouse

I note you mentioned Feb 23 women > men ,, I mentioned this to my wife and she said I didn't 'defend the Rodina' - so 'TOUGH'  

Note to myself : review your intentions for 8 March   

[Olga_Mouse]

Note to myself : review your intentions for 8 March   

Do it at your own risk 

[Ade65]

Dear Ade,

As you AREN'T a regular poster you'd be excused for missing the fact that Olga 'gives as good as she gets' and corrects spelling / grammar mistakes of other members regularly [ in French, English and Russian ] and would expect same in return ... it is not done with malice.

 

Sorry, but having lived amongst ex-Soviet folk for nearly 10 years, now - I see little practical difference between 8 March and 14 Feb ... You see the guys buying flowers and Restaurants are full !

Mate, Ms Mouse doesn't need your 'help'

Well, all the Russian women I know do see a difference between the events; St Val's isn't anything like as important to them, so we'll have to disagree on that.

But, as on another forum, I'm not your 'mate', so please refrain from calling me that.

[mendeleyev]

This thread was languishing until the arguments over whether RW/UW view Valentine's Day the same as 8 March. Now its doing better and that keeps it near the top of the page where members can see it, and take advantage of the free Russian card service in the original post.

So, who's next? We need to keep this thing active!

[Ade65]

This thread was languishing until the arguments over whether RW/UW view Valentine's Day the same as 8 March. Now its doing better and that keeps it near the top of the page where members can see it, and take advantage of the free Russian card service in the original post.

So, who's next? We need to keep this thing active!

Excuse me and anyone else who may have the temerity to comment that, in our experiences, 8 March isn't the same as Valentine's Day to Russian women.

I'll remind my wife and her relatives & friends that they are in fact mistaken to see a difference between the two events.

It may not be what you intend, but the tone of your posts often seems to be condescending.

[Ade65]

I'd still disagree on the explanation. Case in point: Walk into most Western flower shops or card stores and ask for a "March 8" or "Woman's Day" card. The blank stares would confirm what I've explained.

It wasn't that long ago that Valentine's day in the FSU was met with the same blank stares, or with a mild to cautious hostility about a "Catholic" holiday on Orthodox soil.

Lastly, there is no other similar holiday. One can't compare 8 March to any other Western holiday and the function of what happens for ladies on 8 March is very much like Western Valentine's.

That's a complete non sequitur, as you well know. Someone in a card shop in England not knowing about 8 March says absolutely nothing about the two days being equivalent in any way whatsoever.

[2tallbill]

This thread was languishing until the arguments over whether RW/UW view Valentine's Day the same as 8 March. Now its doing better and that keeps it near the top of the page where members can see it, and take advantage of the free Russian card service in the original post.

So, who's next? We need to keep this thing active!

Excuse me and anyone else who may have the temerity to comment that, in our experiences, 8 March isn't the same as Valentine's Day to Russian women.

I'll remind my wife and her relatives & friends that they are in fact mistaken to see a difference between the two events.

It may not be what you intend, but the tone of your posts often seems to be condescending.

Why don't you explain what March 8th is as you perceive it to be?

[Manny]

This thread was languishing until the arguments over whether RW/UW view Valentine's Day the same as 8 March. Now its doing better and that keeps it near the top of the page where members can see it, and take advantage of the free Russian card service in the original post.

So, who's next? We need to keep this thing active!

Excuse me and anyone else who may have the temerity to comment that, in our experiences, 8 March isn't the same as Valentine's Day to Russian women.

I'll remind my wife and her relatives & friends that they are in fact mistaken to see a difference between the two events.

It may not be what you intend, but the tone of your posts often seems to be condescending.

Why don't you explain what March 8th is as you perceive it to be?

Excellent idea!

[mendeleyev]

(Edited because Mrs Mendeleyeva made me edit it.)

I have not stated that RW think Valentine's and 8 March are the same.

So let's try this one more time: I was writing to Westerners, not to RW. I was attempting to help WM understand the scope of 8 March and why, in a heavy majority of cases, 8 March is more important than Valentine's day, a day which wasn't even celebrated in the not so distant past in the FSU.

The closest thing we have in the West to compare with 8 March, and its no a perfect match, but the closest, is Valentine's Day. That's all.

Does that really sound to you like I was trying to make them the same or equal in importance...or are you trying to help me keep the thread's post count high?

(More edits at the gentle request of the lovely and talented Mrs M )

[mendeleyev]

Meanwhile, Ade, looking forward to your explanation!



(PS...as mentioned earlier, thanks for helping keep this thread's post count up and humming baby!)

[cufflinks]

Honest Question - why was it 8th of March and not 8th of September - just curious if the actual day itself in the month of march had a particular significance?

Background is most western holidays were either old Pagan holidays that were then adopted for various Christian Saints or events  and or commemorating a particularly significant military victory that saved a nation or group of nations.

Curious if any similar tie in for 8th of March ?

[2tallbill]

Honest Question - why was it 8th of March and not 8th of September - just curious if the actual day itself in the month of march had a particular significance?

Background is most western holidays were either old Pagan holidays that were then adopted for various Christian Saints or events  and or commemorating a particularly significant military victory that saved a nation or group of nations.

Curious if any similar tie it for 8th of March ?

It didn't have anything to do with pagan holidays, I have heard a number of different stories
but don't know exactly how the events unfolded. I wouldn't trust wikipedia on this as it seems
to have been hijacked by feminists on this subject.

Warning Bill explaining the stories that he heard and therefore not necessarily fact !!!!
Warning Bill explaining the stories that he heard and therefore not necessarily fact !!!!
Warning Bill explaining the stories that he heard and therefore not necessarily fact !!!!

One of the stories that I heard was that women protesting the many wars that had cost them
so many of their sons held a huge protest against it. They caused the powers that were there
to reflect and they called it woman's day. It was co-opted by the Socialists and from that day
forward it was a day to celebrate women. It grew and today is a day for all women. The socialists
communists around the globe still want it to be a call for social justice, but to most in the FSU they
consider it a celebration of women.

That is what I heard, I can't prove it !

[msmoby]

Well, all the Russian women I know do see a difference between the events; St Val's isn't anything like as important to them, so we'll have to disagree on that.

Well, 'MATE' [!], I'll remind you that I have lived amongst FSU folk for 8 years and I'm quite SURE my 'data sample' - on which my my conclusions are based are 'superior'

But, as on another forum, I'm not your 'mate', so please refrain from calling me that.

I wasn't aware of us having 'crossed swords' anywhere else - are you always so 'defensive' , MATE ?!  

Seriously, Ade... I think you are flogging a dead 'un..

For members that are interested in the origins of this day..

http://www.internationalwomensday.com/about.asp

[Boris]

Well, all the Russian women I know do see a difference between the events; St Val's isn't anything like as important to them, so we'll have to disagree on that.

Well, 'MATE' [!], I'll remind you that I have lived amongst FSU folk for 8 years and I'm quite SURE my 'data sample' - on which my my conclusions are based are 'superior'

But, as on another forum, I'm not your 'mate', so please refrain from calling me that.

I wasn't aware of us having 'crossed swords' anywhere else - are you always so 'defensive' , MATE ?!  

Seriously, Ade... I think you are flogging a dead 'un..

For members that are interested in the origins of this day..

http://www.internationalwomensday.com/about.asp

Great information, Moby.

As for Moby not remembering "crossing swords" with you. Don't be offended. He has so many "fencing" buddies it's hard for him to keep track.

[Boris]

I have to agree with Ade that IWD is much more important than VD. If you think you are in a serious relationship with an FSU woman forgetting to "congratulate" her on that day could be a deal breaker. You can survive missing VD.

[msmoby]

As for Moby not remembering "crossing swords" with you. Don't be offended. He has so many "fencing" buddies it's hard for him to keep track.

You may be confusing your powers of recall and equating them with my ' superior ' abilities, Boris..!  

Ade / Boris have you been in Ru / UA over ST V's day ? ..

To be sure - and bearing in mind Olga's advice - I'm covering both bases...  

[Boris]

As for Moby not remembering "crossing swords" with you. Don't be offended. He has so many "fencing" buddies it's hard for him to keep track.

You may be confusing your powers of recall and equating them with my ' superior ' abilities, Boris..!  

Ade / Boris have you been in Ru / UA over ST V's day ? ..

To be sure - and bearing in mind Olga's advice - I'm covering both bases...  

Yes. And I cover both bases, too.

[msmoby]

See what I mean, Boris ?   ..

You missed the question " have you  in the FSU on St V's day " ? ! 

[Boris]

See what I mean, Boris ?  ..

You missed the question " have you  in the FSU on St V's day " ? ! 

I answered yes to the only question posed in your post. Was there another one written in invisible ink? 

[msmoby]

I answered yes to the only question posed in your post. Was there another one written in invisible ink?  

Sorry, Boris... I thought your 'YES' was an admission of 'confusing your powers of recall and equating them with my ' superior ' abilities'  

So, as you've BEEN in UA during St V's are you suggesting it was easy to book a restaurant and guys weren't treating their ladies that night ?  If it was easy to find a restaurant then Siberia and Cyprus must 'different' ....  

As far as my experience went of all three places you had to book on St V's night or 'look disorganised' / 'uncaring'...

I'd say that made the man's' 'obligation' to treat his lady partner just the same.. 

[Boris]

I didn't say it wasn't popular. It is, more so with people 35 and under I would say. But it wasn't as popular as IWD.

[Excedryn]

Hummana hummana...it's a holiday and a good excuse for me to lavish my lady with copious amounts of attention...nuff said for me 

Disclaimer * I am a lush when it comes to holidays *

[Кто-То]

Hi all!
I'm a bit worrying now about this special date of 8 march now  :
I'm sending mail to a gal since December, quite a good feeling with, and wouldn't like doing some fault here in hurting her feeling
But without address... because the moment was not good etc... So what can I do?

[mendeleyev]

What is funny is that Ade thought that I equated the two as the same in importance. I've consistently, over the ears, written that 8 March is more important, but simply used Valentine's as an illustration of what 8 March means to an FSU lady to help WM understand the importance.